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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Artemis1992 said:
I mean, that all sounds very interesting, but do we really want to open a whole new world here?

We would effectivly moving beyond both ASOIAF and D&D, in terms of pre-made cultures so everything has to go from ground up.
Doesn't seem worth the time and effort as of now.

Edit: Also Yi-Ti is already kinda an example of that, a lot of world to be filled out for very little practical impact on the quest.
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It doesn't have to be a big focus or directly involve Viserys or any Companions. It would just be neat to put together a good group to go exploring and every so often we could get an interlude or two about their adventures.
 
Goldfish said:
It doesn't have to be a big focus or directly involve Viserys or any Companions. It would just be neat to put together a good group to go exploring and every so often we could get an interlude or two about their adventures.
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Yeah, but that in itself would take loads of backround-work to actually build a world for those adventures to happen in.
All for very little payoff.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I mean, that all sounds very interesting, but do we really want to open a whole new world here?

We would effectivly moving beyond both ASOIAF and D&D, in terms of pre-made cultures so everything has to go from ground up.
Doesn't seem worth the time and effort as of now.

Edit: Also Yi-Ti is already kinda an example of that, a lot of world to be filled out for very little practical impact on the quest.
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ASOIAF in general is huge, but that doesn't mean we need to cut short the world building even if it doesn't have an immediate practical impact. Yi Ti and the far east for example certainly isn't going to be in a bubble.

Sothoryos and Ulthos for example are full continents we haven't explored yet, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have worldbuilding there. Same logic here.

It's just not much payoff now. It'll show up later on down the line.
 
The problem is that we are slowly working to get a Moonchaser into orbit and at that point, we get the worldmap for free. And even now we could send them over there to map out the place. I mean, the trip would only take a few hours.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Yeah, but that in itself would take loads of backround-work to actually build a world for those adventures to happen in.
All for very little payoff.
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It's only something we would bother with when DP wanted to flex his creative muscles in a different direction for a bit. Sometimes a slight change of pace can be a good thing, and I remember him saying how much he enjoyed writing up Yi-Ti stuff.
Azel said:
The problem is that we are slowly working to get a Moonchaser into orbit and at that point, we get the worldmap for free. And even now we could send them over there to map out the place. I mean, the trip would only take a few hours.
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Yeah, actually finding and reaching the continent now would be trivial. Meeting the people, getting basic information about the cultures and nations which inhabit the land, needs boots on the ground.
 
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Also, I hereby curse everyone involved in this discussion for giving me flashbacks to the days of writing Shadows of the Past.

There was so much world-building left in limbo when that one fizzled out...
 
Artemis1992 said:
I mean, that all sounds very interesting, but do we really want to open a whole new world here?

We would effectivly moving beyond both ASOIAF and D&D, in terms of pre-made cultures so everything has to go from ground up.
Doesn't seem worth the time and effort as of now.

Edit: Also Yi-Ti is already kinda an example of that, a lot of world to be filled out for very little practical impact on the quest.
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To be entirely honest I just have a lot of fun worldbuilding. Of course the urgency with which I go at it will deponent on thread engagement.
 
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So wait, Elissa steals from her best friend's family (notoriously unstable, politically powerful, rarely challenged). Then she sails west and takes advantage of the next good natured, too-trusting strangers she meets... then goes to the shiftiest port in the world to have the shiftiest mages in the world fix her screw ups... and is surprised when she gets murdered along the way.

I would say being stuck on an island for a couple centuries is getting off rather lightly, but...

Just don't give her anything resembling responsibility over even a dinghy. I'm sure she'll figure out how to screw that up, too. She's real good at that.

Sorry, not sorry, I'm with Rhaella.
 
Crake said:
So wait, Elissa steals from her best friend's family (notoriously unstable, politically powerful, rarely challenged). Then she sails west and takes advantage of the next good natured, too-trusting strangers she meets... then goes to the shiftiest port in the world to have the shiftiest mages in the world fix her screw ups... and is surprised when she gets murdered along the way.

I would say being stuck on an island for a couple centuries is getting off rather lightly, but...

Just don't give her anything resembling responsibility over even a dinghy. I'm sure she'll figure out how to screw that up, too. She's real good at that.

Sorry, not sorry, I'm with Rhaella.
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Yeah she is basically a female Jack Sparrow, very skilled in a narrow field, cheerfully amoral, too lucky for her own good and prone to making plans that blow up in her face.

Azel said:
Did we resurrect her or something? I thought she is still a ghost.
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I mean you needed some leverage to get her to talk to you. Dany just took the easiest way to get there and raised her.
 
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Critical stupidity to us might not seem it to the actor if they have such good luck that they never pay the consequences of their impulsive actions. Or that's what @DragonParadox is implying.

I would actually laugh if she asked to work for us.
 
One question for someone is still trying to catch up.

Did any chararter ever went to asshai or stygai on the shadow? and what is that in this canon?
 
Crake said:
Critical stupidity to us might not seem it to the actor if they have such good luck that they never pay the consequences of their impulsive actions. Or that's what @DragonParadox is implying.

I would actually laugh if she asked to work for us.
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I hated her when she was first introduced in canon. It's a bit of a relief to me you guys don't like her either. I was really worried people would want to recruit her.
 
Crake said:
Critical stupidity to us might not seem it to the actor if they have such good luck that they never pay the consequences of their impulsive actions. Or that's what @DragonParadox is implying.

I would actually laugh if she asked to work for us.
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To be fair it's not just luck it's also that she has a will like starmetal. She escaped her life and fate not once but twice and slipped between a god's fingers. Elisa is the kind of person who gives rise trickster 'hero' stories for better and for worse.
 
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Duesal said:
I hated her when she was first introduced in canon. It's a bit of a relief to me you guys don't like her either. I was really worried people would want to recruit her.
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No sympathy from me, though I just hate the writing of Fire and Blood in general. They made Jaehaerys into a sexual predator, and a misogynist who was directly responsible for the Dance thanks to continuing Aegon's "let everyone fuck off and do whatever they feel like as long as they say I'm King" policies because "abuuhuuhuuu the Dornish killed my other wife".

God, now all GRRM needs to do is make Dany burn down King's Landing, ignoring multiple books of setting up Cersei for that.
 
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