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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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zxzx24 said:
This gets worse the more I think about it. So here's to hoping it gets swept under the rug and is never brought up again.
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I doubt it amounts to much. This is mostly just scaring the students straight and making it clear to all of them that yes, unregulated summoning and binding imps as familiars when they haven't been broken from hell has consequences. They won't get away with doing what they think is clever, and there's a reason certain things have to be done under supervision.

The only one I expect to see killed is whoever planted this idea in their heads in the first place. That's probably a cultist spy somewhere in the background.
 
This vote seems weirdly lenient to me. Not so long ago our response to this sort of crime would have been "sacrifice them all", and now we're treating them with kids gloves?
They know that we're a crazy powerful Sorcerer-King who keeps devils bound, presumably with our mighty and terrible magicks. And so they figure they can bind devils without being able to cast a single enchantment spell capable of affecting an imp, relying on nothing but social skills and threats?

No, they're incredibly dumb people who knowingly comitted an extremely serious crime. They even know all about how bad devils are, it's literally part of thevery same education that taught them how to summon an Imp!
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Actually, why are we teaching Scholarum students to summon Imps? It's not like it's knowledge they need, beyond "here are the reagents that devil-callers use".
You'd think that functioning Imp-calling rituals wouldn't be available to them.

EDIT : To be clear, I find this incident believable. I just want to know if we should be investigating where they got the ritual or not.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm sorry this is upsetting, I'm trying to run a more living and engaged world and this is how the dice fell.
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Hey. You didnt vote to have Viserys torch a student in front of a bunch of their peers.

Nor do I expect you to actually write that out. We just voted for it, and I can only see a future in which we will always do so, and will always continue to do so.
 
Punish them but not overly harshly since it wasn't made with malice and no one was hurt terribly.

Not everything has to be a terrible plot at its core, could just be idiots.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm sorry this is upsetting, I'm trying to run a more living and engaged world and this is how the dice fell.
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Keep in mind, this argument gets a bit shaky when you control the tables. I can think of a number of ways diabolic influence could have crept into a busy port like Sorcerer's Deep with tons of factions, nascent or otherwise, that we don't really know about because they are beneath our direct notice and otherwise weren't inherently dangerous since most people are kind of fucking afraid of provoking us since we publicly assassinated trade magnates who tried targeting our interests... and just being a dread sorcerer in general.

If you are leery of starting arguments like this, you can make some slight OOC concessions to frame suitability, a living world is possible with very little compromise to artistic integrity. I mean, if people getting butt-mad is so distracting because a subject keeps being brought up, maybe the enjoyment from an equally compelling random event with insubstantial relation to that subject matter would be better?

It's like earlier argument of "if you can't manage these plotlines as they need to be, you have the authorial fiat and lack of narrative conflict to pull back on them".

Personally, I'm like, "you do you" about these things. If you wanna write about Viserys contemplating how ephemeral the concept of "innocence" is, prepare for people to get angry for various reasons. No avoiding it, really.
 
zxzx24 said:
Hey. You didnt vote to have Viserys torch a student in front of a bunch of their peers.

Nor do I expect you to actually write that out. We just voted for it, and I can only see a future in which we will always do so, and will always continue to do so.
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Looking at the vote, I'm not seeing 'torch student in front of peers, just execute agent of Baator, of which I can tell you now there are none among the sudents, Lya would have lead with that bit of information
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
This vote seems weirdly lenient to me. Not so long ago our response to this sort of crime would have been "sacrifice them all", and now we're treating them with kids gloves?
They know that we're a crazy powerful Sorcerer-King who keeps devils bound, presumably with our mighty and terrible magicks. And so they figure they can bind devils without being able to cast a single enchantment spell capable of affecting an imp, relying on nothing but social skills and threats?

No, they're incredibly dumb people who knowingly comitted an extremely serious crime. They even know all about how bad devils are, it's literally part of thevery same education that taught them how to summon an Imp!
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Actually, why are we teaching Scholarum students to summon Imps? It's not like it's knowledge they need, beyond "here are the reagents that devil-callers use".
You'd think that functioning Imp-calling rituals wouldn't be available to them.

EDIT : To be clear, I find this incident believable. I just want to know if we should be investigating where they got the ritual or not.
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We decided, IC, to be more lenient, during events that still make people angry to contemplate to this day.... like I said, people squinting and trying to figure out "should we bleed them before the trees?" should have been happening less because of those votes we made, not more often.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
This vote seems weirdly lenient to me. Not so long ago our response to this sort of crime would have been "sacrifice them all", and now we're treating them with kids gloves?
They know that we're a crazy powerful Sorcerer-King who keeps devils bound, presumably with our mighty and terrible magicks. And so they figure they can bind devils without being able to cast a single enchantment spell capable of affecting an imp, relying on nothing but social skills and threats?

No, they're incredibly dumb people who knowingly comitted an extremely serious crime. They even know all about how bad devils are, it's literally part of thevery same education that taught them how to summon an Imp!
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Actually, why are we teaching Scholarum students to summon Imps? It's not like it's knowledge they need, beyond "here are the reagents that devil-callers use".
You'd think that functioning Imp-calling rituals wouldn't be available to them.

EDIT : To be clear, I find this incident believable. I just want to know if we should be investigating where they got the ritual or not.
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That's another weird thing to me. These are initiates. How did they get knowledge to summon anything as opposed to taking one of the many available familiars?
 
zxzx24 said:
Hey. You didnt vote to have Viserys torch a student in front of a bunch of their peers.

Nor do I expect you to actually write that out. We just voted for it, and I can only see a future in which we will always do so, and will always continue to do so.
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I didn't read the vote to mean that. It's extremely unlikely the ultimate instigator of this is a student, but rather someone outside the Scholarium influencing students subtlely, either through words or magic.
 
Crake said:
We decided, IC, to be more lenient, during events that still make people angry to contemplate to this day.... like I said, people squinting and trying to figure out "should we bleed them before the trees?" should have been happening less because of those votes we made, not more often.
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For me it's only because they haven't killed anyone or harmed anyone through their stupidity yet. If they had crossed that line they'd be executed for being cultists infiltrating the Scholarum.
DragonParadox said:
The thing about sorcerers is they get knowledge in dreams, no books required, though they are welcome.
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Motherfucking Valyrian blood. :facepalm:
 
Duesal said:
For me it's only because they haven't killed anyone or harmed anyone through their stupidity yet. If they had crossed that line they'd be executed for being cultists infiltrating the Scholarum.

Motherfucking Valyrian blood. :facepalm:
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I am right there with you, my friend. On both accounts.
 
Crake said:
We decided, IC, to be more lenient, during events that still make people angry to contemplate to this day.... like I said, people squinting and trying to figure out "should we bleed them before the trees?" should have been happening less because of those votes we made, not more often.
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Nevertheless, I was expecting the expulsion vote to be winning. Possibly with added mark of justice or something, in case these ambitious idiots fuck up again elsewhere.
And now we're just giving them a warning, and possibly putting them into monetary debt? It's not like money is a huge issue for a spellcaster : worst case the spellcaster can just learn enchanting or alchemy (crazy profitable jobs, no XP cost here).
 
DragonParadox said:
Looking at the vote, I'm not seeing 'torch student in front of peers, just execute agent of Baator, of which I can tell you now there are none among the sudents, Lya would have lead with that bit of information
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Goldfish said:
I didn't read the vote to mean that. It's extremely unlikely the ultimate instigator of this is a student, but rather someone outside the Scholarium influencing students subtlely, either through words or magic.
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"you will be executing them with extreme prejudice, and will likely mandate the entire student body show up when that example gets made via Breathweapon"

I dont know. I read "mandate the entire student body show up when that example gets made via Breathweapon"

Maybe the example is going to be how to win your enemies over with Viserys sick grilling skills?
 
zxzx24 said:
"you will be executing them with extreme prejudice, and will likely mandate the entire student body show up when that example gets made via Breathweapon"

I dont know. I read "mandate the entire student body show up when that example gets made via Breathweapon"

Maybe the example is going to be how to win your enemies over with Viserys sick grilling skills?
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dp just said that none of tthe students are among the agents of Baator so it won't happen anyway
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Nevertheless, I was expecting the expulsion vote to be winning. Possibly with added mark of justice or something, in case these ambitious idiots fuck up again elsewhere.
And now we're just giving them a warning, and possibly putting them into monetary debt? It's not like money is a huge issue for a spellcaster : worst case the spellcaster can just learn enchanting or alchemy (crazy profitable jobs, no XP cost here).
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The actual perpetrators of the Summoning, though not the instigator of the plot, didn't seem to be acting maliciously, just very unwisely. We can afford to offer leniency when the situation allows for it.
 
zxzx24 said:
"you will be executing them with extreme prejudice, and will likely mandate the entire student body show up when that example gets made via Breathweapon"

I dont know. I read "mandate the entire student body show up when that example gets made via Breathweapon"

Maybe the example is going to be how to win your enemies over with Viserys sick grilling skills?
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Oh I see, yeah if it had been a student agent of Baator that would turn out that way, but I knew there wasn't so I did not realize the implication. Sorry for the lapse in communication :oops:
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Nevertheless, I was expecting the expulsion vote to be winning. Possibly with added mark of justice or something, in case these ambitious idiots fuck up again elsewhere.
And now we're just giving them a warning, and possibly putting them into monetary debt? It's not like money is a huge issue for a spellcaster : worst case the spellcaster can just learn enchanting or alchemy (crazy profitable jobs, no XP cost here).
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Expulsion would only encourage these lovely potential cultists to become future headaches for us. They need to be watched and regulated strictly.
 
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