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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, so if we got ourselves a specially forged Runic Imperial Steel Sacrifice Knife, after a few centuries of excessive use it would develop a personality and a soul?
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I think this is kind of an imprecise process. Blackfyre has seen as much and as storied use as Dark Sister, but there was no guarantee of it ever developing a personality. It could just as easily have grown in a different direction, like Purity did.
 
Crake said:
I think this is kind of an imprecise process. Blackfyre has seen as much and as storied use as Dark Sister, but there was no guarantee of it ever developing a personality. It could just as easily have grown in a different direction, like Purity did.
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The entire thing seemed weird to me. I'm just trying to see what exactly sparks this sort of spontaneous soul formation. Like you pointed out, it's imprecise, and it can't just be blood and history. Blackfyre is arguably more important than Dark Sister regarding Targaryen history since it's the blade of the Head of the House, yet it remains a soulless sword.

It's nothing we can't do ourselves considering the Forges, but still. It's something else when a blade wakes up with a personality just from drinking blood.
 
Duesal said:
The entire thing seemed weird to me. I'm just trying to see what exactly sparks this sort of spontaneous soul formation. Like you pointed out, it's imprecise, and it can't just be blood and history. Blackfyre is arguably more important than Dark Sister regarding Targaryen history since it's the blade of the Head of the House, yet it remains a soulless sword.

It's nothing we can't do ourselves considering the Forges, but still. It's something else when a blade wakes up with a personality just from drinking blood.
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I think it is partially random as the very nature of this occurs due to wild magic to a degree, not just mysticism and circumstance. A significant act occurs, and an item might be at the epicenter of that act, which could cause it to grow in totally understandable, or mildly unusual ways. Developing a personality seems common only when you have encountered multiple items with a personality of which we've seen three. That in itself is unusual, that we have even seen three items with personalities, much less was responsible for the creation of one of them, and it was somewhat intentional.

That in itself, explains some things. Having an item become sentient without any intention in the process shouldn't be a foregone conclusion, you're basically throwing a dart and using time and weird arcane interactions as the board.
 
Duesal said:
The entire thing seemed weird to me. I'm just trying to see what exactly sparks this sort of spontaneous soul formation. Like you pointed out, it's imprecise, and it can't just be blood and history. Blackfyre is arguably more important than Dark Sister regarding Targaryen history since it's the blade of the Head of the House, yet it remains a soulless sword.

It's nothing we can't do ourselves considering the Forges, but still. It's something else when a blade wakes up with a personality just from drinking blood.
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Keep in mind what VS is made of, fiends are made less in its forging and for and Outsider body and soul are one, every piece of Valyrian steel has the potential to gain soul and sentience, but it takes specific and difficult to replicate the process. For instance Bloodraven was the last to carry Dark Sister before her awakening, a sorcerer in a world almost without magic, spilling the blood and kin and of traitors, carrying it into the heart of Gods' power to lie there for decades on end waiting for a rightful heir when her history was very much about loyalty to the dynasty.
 
Mind you, it will probably take a while before we can actually make a CR 20 Outsider, but it's something we can slowly work on. Maybe incarnate Dark Sister as a CR 10 one for now, then upgrade her later.
 
Comrades, can you enlighten me, what are our plans for Slaver's Bay for next month? It just looks like a barrel of gunpowder ready to explode just when we are occupied by Westeros. Not that I think that converting the cities of Ghis into Cheliax on minimums would be very bad. It was at least better than what they are now. It's just that it will devalue a lot of time and effort.
 
Azel said:
Mind you, it will probably take a while before we can actually make a CR 20 Outsider, but it's something we can slowly work on. Maybe incarnate Dark Sister as a CR 10 one for now, then upgrade her later.
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Granted, we still need to figure out how to make True Outsiders, but we did recently purchase the beginnings of that lore from the sane Xerfilstyx in Heaven's Shore so we can have Lya work on it.
 
Duesal said:
Granted, we still need to figure out how to make True Outsiders, but we did recently purchase the beginnings of that lore from the sane Xerfilstyx in Heaven's Shore so we can have Lya work on it.
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It's less the lore stopping us and more the power. CR 20 outsider means "you get At Will Wish as a starter kit and it gets worse from there on", so we need some more juice before we can make and sustain something like that.
 
Good night guys, see you tomorrow with hopefully faster combat rounds. I thought about doing a third update today since combat tends to be fast in the narrative, but it's not fast to roll at this level and I don't want to mess something up
 
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Azel said:
It's less the lore stopping us and more the power. CR 20 outsider means "you get At Will Wish as a starter kit and it gets worse from there on", so we need some more juice before we can make and sustain something like that.
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True... And I definite want that sort of power in our personal CR 20 Outsider minions. Wish SLAs for all three of them for sure.

That said I was talking about even the weaker CR 10 ones. Currently we have figured out how to make two types of outsiders -- Fire Elementals courtesy of R'hllor, and Water Elementals courtesy of the Merling King. True Outsiders in the vein of angels and demons and whatnot is something we've just unlocked research for but not yet properly explored.
 
Azel said:
Mind you, it will probably take a while before we can actually make a CR 20 Outsider, but it's something we can slowly work on. Maybe incarnate Dark Sister as a CR 10 one for now, then upgrade her later.
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Hmmm.

Outsiders seem kind of passe. Maybe we could make robots the divine diety thing the same way plants are the old gods thing?
 
Sapphon said:
Comrades, can you enlighten me, what are our plans for Slaver's Bay for next month? It just looks like a barrel of gunpowder ready to explode just when we are occupied by Westeros. Not that I think that converting the cities of Ghis into Cheliax on minimums would be very bad. It was at least better than what they are now. It's just that it will devalue a lot of time and effort.
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Sending every available problem-solver and meatshield we can there, and hoping for the best?
Third month so far mainly seems to be focused on CoS (Viserys, Richard, Dany, the whole Combat Group we're used to) in hopes of killing their Queen or something (we had yet to see the result of appropriate RA for this month to formulate better. Well, that, and @Azel refused to :V).

Slavers' Bay is secondary, with any and all level 8+ chars I can being routed there. We have enough Mind Blanks for all, at the very least.
We can't stop Devils, but hopefully, hopefully, we can slow down whatever the plans they have cooking to only start coming to fruition after we finish taking Westeros (read, we can go back to SB by the 6th month, or something, if we're lucky).
Assasination campaign with more Forges being broken if we can swing it.

Qohor is a Free Action. We invade, take Qohor and Norvos, everyone participates in major engagements and goes back to their tasks in the meantime between those.

This is really general, but we have had to see Qohor-terlude to judge just how shitty Quohor/Norvos would be to take and whether it will leat up the whole month to marsh army around like Sarnor did.
Same for CoS, as stated above we don't really know what we can and can't do to the lynchpin of CoS' long-term plan.
 
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Rather than making Dark Sister into a weaker Outsider, let's not blow our load too soon. I would like to have her incarnated into a Outsider equivalent of a Sports Car, instead of having her trade up from a minivan. She's fine on our sword belt for the moment, and this gives us a heavy incentive to get going on that research for creating and sustaining powerful soulforms.
 
Crake said:
Rather than making Dark Sister into a weaker Outsider, let's not blow our load too soon. I would like to have her incarnated into a Outsider equivalent of a Sports Car, instead of having her trade up from a minivan. She's fine on our sword belt for the moment, and this gives us a heavy incentive to get going on that research for creating and sustaining powerful soulforms.
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Oooooh-ho-nn no you don't.
Don't pull this shit puh-lease!

I've had enough of a bad time waiting on upgrading her as a sword, with little interest to it shown whenever I asked compared to... a fuckload of other RAs, honestly.
And I drew fanart of the proposed upgrade, to boot!

I'm totes okay foregoing it.
But I'm sooooo done with how pointless she is mechanically, and how many fights we had over her (and her pointlessness, and attempts to fix it) back in the day.

Let's make her into an Imperial Steel Dragon.
Or a weak Outsider who'll grow stronger when Imperial Deity is ready.

But for the love of everything. Do. Not. Go. Perfectionist.
It never goes well, I would know.
Let's do it (whatever we do) quick this time.
 
I had a bizarre and probably stupid idea to get ourselves a Harpy minion (either Flesh Forge one or recruit an existing one) and have them take over the Cult of the Harpy to use for our own purposes.

It'd never work, unfortunately. Harpies don't measure up against Devils, and while we can stack templates on them like Cleric Creature or Sorcerer Creature that'd be a mage of the Third Circle at most which is just a smallfry.

Really makes me wonder what kind of PC classes they had back in the old days to stand up to a budding kingdoms of dragon-blooded sorcerers ruled by Half-Dragon Old Bloods.
 
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egoo said:
Sending every available problem-solver and meatshield we can there, and hoping for the best?
Third month so far mainly seems to be focused on CoS (Viserys, Richard, Dany, the whole Combat Group we're used to) in hopes of killing their Queen or something (we had yet to see the result of appropriate RA for this month to formulate better. Well, that, and @Azel refused to :V).

Slavers' Bay is secondary, with any and all level 8+ chars I can being routed there. We have enough Mind Blanks for all, at the very least.
We can't stop Devils, but hopefully, hopefully, we can slow down whatever the plans they have cooking to only start coming to fruition after we finish taking Westeros (read, we can go back to SB by the 6th month, or something, if we're lucky).
Assasination campaign with more Forges being broken if we can swing it.

Qohor is a Free Action. We invade, take Qohor and Norvos, everyone participates in major engagements and goes back to their tasks in the meantime between those.

This is really general, but we have had to see Qohor-terlude to judge just how shitty Quohor/Norvos would be to take and whether it will leat up the whole month to marsh army around like Sarnor did.
Same for CoS, as stated above we don't really know what we can and can't do to the lynchpin of CoS' long-term plan.
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Regarding Court of Stars ... I don't think that we will be able to decide here so simply ... the fact is that on our land we can easely kill any Lord of the Color, and we can certainly cope with the Queen. If they all come together, then the carnage will be terrifying, but the Court of Stars will not be able to win, or rather benefit from such a frontal assault. On the other hand, we are slipping into the realm of fairies to fight with one Lord of Color, a complete gamble. Personally, I see our relationship more like a cold war. They are trying to build their own fairy tale among people, and we are systematically trying to drag the Fairy Lords to the camp of our vassals.
  1. In any case, you need to start by researching the Crown of Flowers.
  2. Then, through Golden Tree Dryad, contact The Green Warden, who is first known for his connection with wild fairies, and the second is famous as a diplomat.
  3. And third, collect any possible information on the Sage, who should be the only remaining Fairy King.
 
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