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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Artemis1992 said:
@DragonParadox
Different question, do we have any sources of Starmetal outside of the recently aquired equipment?
I suspect we can't just buy it from Earth, as it must come from space by definition, but there have propably been a few meteors on Planetos over time?
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There's only one famous example in ASOIAF -- Dawn -- but if anyone knows about stuff stuck in the earth it'd be the Old Gods. We could ask Uncle Bloodraven if he can point us to any known deposits. Beyond that it seems like a dead end.
Azel said:
Hopefully they have a bunch of Alchemists. Then we could start setting up some ammunition factories in Sallosh.
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Yeah, in general the scholars of Sallosh seem like they'd have the most exponential use. If we make them Warforged bodies before anyone else we could potentially use them to aid in the war efforts immediately with alchemy, construct crafting, etc. They could even build a second and third Warforged Production Center once they're created.
 
Duesal said:
There's only one famous example in ASOIAF -- Dawn -- but if anyone knows about stuff stuck in the earth it'd be the Old Gods. We could ask Uncle Bloodraven if he can point us to any known deposits. Beyond that it seems like a dead end.
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Dawn is almost certainly an Artifact, thus not really worth smelting down for any reason.

I'm trying to plan out Namaaru's new body, but I think in the end mostly Adamant with some Horacalcum-tracing seems like the most reasonable option.
 
Crake said:
Speaking of, @DragonParadox, what happened with those dead scholars in Sallosh? They still kicking around or did they totally slip your mind? They want new bodies, too?
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There are still a few of them around teaching their descendants. they would probably be among the most resstent to war-forged bodies though since they have a history of using warforged servants. It's a bit like telling someone they have to reincarnate as a cross between Siri and a rumba.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Dawn is almost certainly an Artifact, thus not really worth smelting down for any reason.

I'm trying to plan out Namaaru's new body, but I think in the end mostly Adamant with some Horacalcum-tracing seems like the most reasonable option.
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I'm not suggesting melting down Dawn, I was bringing it up to illustrate how ludicrously rare starmetal is. In all of the history of ASOIAF there's one example of a starmetal weapon.

If we want a deposit our best shot at it is asking Bloodraven if he can point us to one. We can check the Opaline Vault, but it seems to me like this metal is more of a Prime Material thing.
 
DragonParadox said:
There are still a few of them around teaching their descendants. they would probably be among the most resstent to war-forged bodies though since they have a history of using warforged servants. It's a bit like telling someone they have to reincarnate as a cross between Siri and a rumba.
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Eh. Then they get Soulforged and can stick to their undead form. Whatever floats their bones.
 
Duesal said:
I'm not suggesting melting down Dawn, I was bringing it up to illustrate how ludicrously rare starmetal is. In all of the history of ASOIAF there's one example of a starmetal weapon.

If we want a deposit our best shot at it is asking Bloodraven if he can point us to one. We can check the Opaline Vault, but it seems to me like this metal is more of a Prime Material thing.
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We could try divining for deposits. Let the House of Mirrors do the rough position, then send someone with long-range spells like Commune with Nature to do the detail work.
Artemis1992 said:
They might be incorporeal, I think.
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The ritual resulting from the research should work just fine on incorporeal undead. They are pretty much only soul, but that's the important part.
 
Azel said:
We could try divining for deposits. Let the House of Mirrors do the rough position, then send someone with long-range spells like Commune with Nature to do the detail work.

The ritual resulting from the research should work just fine on incorporeal undead. They are pretty much only soul, but that's the important part.
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I didn't even think of the House of Mirrors or regular divination. :facepalm:

A Discern Location for the nearest starmetal deposits would find them all pretty damn quickly.

There's no reason random meteor fragments would be Mind Blanked or otherwise warded.
 
We probably can buy Horalcum in bulk from Shaitan crown.
We only ever bought it from free market and independent sellers before, after all.

It would cost us a pretty penny, but there is pretty low chance of them not having enough for us to make a body for the queen, @Artemis1992.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Okay, given that Yrael is supposed to transform into something new, I would suggest starting from a Trumpet Archon, scaling it down by 1 or 2 HD to fit his current level and then change a few details to Imperial aesthetics over archon-like ones.

This works optimally for his Cleric-casting, as it makes him effectivly a full Cleric without the need for the template, it leaves some space for him to keep his Second Skin ability (no armor-penalties) instead of the Trumpet-ability and as magic weapons he can get something in Valyrian Steel to go with his grey wings, while keeping the total power of the weapon similar to the Trumpet's +4 Greatsword.

@Goldfish @DragonParadox
Do you think the concept is solid?
I see no reason to re-invent the wheel here, as even an imperial-aligned Archon is still mostly what he was.
We do not have the metaphysical backing yet to make completly new and independant outsiders, to change an Archon as much as Hell changed the Fallen, so I would much prefer to keep it to minor alterations.
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DragonParadox said:
That looks good yea, he is still fundamentally an archon, but the herald like ability of the trumpet archon would not fit him as well as the armor ability does.
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Sounds good to me, too. Since Yrael had 11 HD the last time his sheet was updated and he's had at least two levels up since then that weren't applied, along with an existential transformation, can I just port him over to the Trumpet Archon chassis at 14 HD?
 
Duesal said:
A great many people would enjoy being a roomba. :p
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Too true.

Trumpet Archon sounds peachy as long as he doesnt explode all his magic items off his body.

Do we want to update his gear while were at it?

Cleric creature can be dropped since he gets cleric casting now.

Not sire how well it jells with his or the imperium themes?
 
Vote closed, sorry it took so long guys, my power went out. Hopefully it will now stay on.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 11, 2020 at 9:08 AM, finished with 67 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] All The Good Stuff
    -[X] Reunification of the Sarnori people and resettlement of their ancient homeland.
    -[X] Subjugation or extermination of all remaining Dothraki, ensuring safety and prosperity for centuries to come.
    -[X] Integration into the Imperial trade network, reaching from Braavos to the Basilisk Isles.
    -[X] Integration into the Imperial Highway Network, allowing Sarnori traders to safely traverse the Great Grass Sea and beyond.
    -[X] Education, charity, grants to the arts to bolster Sarnori culture, infrastructure, law and order, etc.
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zxzx24 said:
Too true.

Trumpet Archon sounds peachy as long as he doesnt explode all his magic items off his body.

Do we want to update his gear while were at it?

Cleric creature can be dropped since he gets cleric casting now.

Not sire how well it jells with his or the imperium themes?
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Yeah, we'll be updating his gear significantly. I'll finish his new character sheet this evening when I'm done with work.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Nah, most Archons (including Legion that he was and Trumpet that he will be similar to) make their own magic weapons that they have always available.
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Yeah, but those are just +1 flaming weapons. An Imperial Steel weapon will be +2 and Ghost Touch, and can be further enchanted to anything we want. It wouldn't exactly be the biggest burden for Yrael to carry it.
 
The trumpets are apparently a gift from the powers of goodness rather than created by said being.

Cant say whether or not they will see for to grant him one. If they even can anymore.

@Duesal trumpet archons weapons are +4 and transform into magical instruments.
 
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zxzx24 said:
The trumpets are apparently a gift from the powers of goodness rather than created by said being.

Cant say whether or not they will see for to grant him one. If they even can anymore.

@Duesal trumpet archons weapons are +4 and transform into magical instruments.
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Significantly better than I assumed, but we are still capable of doing better for Yrael. That said it seems like Trumpet Archons lose the ability to make javelins and are restricted to Greatswords, which is a real shame.
 
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I feel the Trumpet ability is something that Yrael definitely should loose, since it doesn't fit in with his history or role.

Maybe instead give him something along the lines of a Warlords Tactical Presence:

Warlord – d20PFSRD

www.d20pfsrd.com www.d20pfsrd.com
 
Azel said:
I feel the Trumpet ability is something that Yrael definitely should loose, since it doesn't fit in with his history or role.

Maybe instead give him something along the lines of a Warlords Tactical Presence:

Warlord – d20PFSRD

www.d20pfsrd.com www.d20pfsrd.com
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Yeah, I'm removing the Trumpet entirely. Was going to keep Second Skin and his ability to create weapons from his Legion Archon days. Just because we can give him a better weapon doesn't mean his innate weapons aren't useful, especially the javelins, which give him a decent ranged attack not dependent on a limited number of prepared spells.

With 14 Outsider HD and full Cleric casting, I don't really think we need to try to add too much else.
 
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