Greetings Comrades.

I was thinking about the state of the higher planes ... about which I had just read, rethought a lot. I did not think that I would say this, but if Lucan agrees to recognize us and our laws, I am ready to give him a second chance. Otherwise, we will be forced to kill him, because he resembles an armed madman who doesn't let fire-fighters into a burning house. We know that he alone cannot cope with the Others, nor with the deep one.

By the way, when is the capture of Westeros planned for us?
 
Nah, you just need to know how to pick your R&D Staff.

Hell in Marvel, the Tinkerer makes a living on supplying the NYC Supervillian Underground with Supertech Equipment. You just need to know who to contract R&D to. . .
Well yeah, but choosing the right R&D team require intelligence too, if you're not smart enough, scammers can convince you to invest in frivolous or impossible projects, money is great, but it's not all you need.

There is no single thing that's the ultimate super power, you can have lots of money, and accomplish nothing because you're an idiot, or because you had no ability to protect yourself against theft, you can be the smartest man in the world, and accomplish nothing, because you're also a penniless farmer, far from anyone who will invest in your ideas, or you can be a powerful brute, who just end up wrecking things and being sent to prison, because you have neither the intelligence to plan, nor the money to get others to do it for you.
 
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Greetings Comrades.

I was thinking about the state of the higher planes ... about which I had just read, rethought a lot. I did not think that I would say this, but if Lucan agrees to recognize us and our laws, I am ready to give him a second chance. Otherwise, we will be forced to kill him, because he resembles an armed madman who doesn't let fire-fighters into a burning house. We know that he alone cannot cope with the Others, nor with the deep one.

By the way, when is the capture of Westeros planned for us?
Tentatively planned for 2-ish months IC from now.
 
Nah, you just need to know how to pick your R&D Staff.

Hell in Marvel, the Tinkerer makes a living on supplying the NYC Supervillian Underground with Supertech Equipment. You just need to know who to contract R&D to. . .
Kinda disagree here.
Ultimatly you need the baseline-power to protect your investment and your R&D, otherwise a dragon will crash everything and steal the rest.
 
Greetings Comrades.

I was thinking about the state of the higher planes ... about which I had just read, rethought a lot. I did not think that I would say this, but if Lucan agrees to recognize us and our laws, I am ready to give him a second chance. Otherwise, we will be forced to kill him, because he resembles an armed madman who doesn't let fire-fighters into a burning house. We know that he alone cannot cope with the Others, nor with the deep one.

By the way, when is the capture of Westeros planned for us?
Problem with Lucan is that he's moral beyond all else.

As much salt was spilled in thread over morality of this and that, Lucan's whole character is built on "no, this is bullshit, I cant accept this".
And, essentially, hes not a bad guy.

He recognizes we are a better choice for Westeros as a ruler, and even as a defender.
He just cannot accept one too damn many of our practices if we do.

If we can persuade him into moving to Hellven (any of the 3) and halping there?
I'd be hella surprised, but content.

If we cannot, well, he had a long-ass time to prepare for facing us off.
I expect about a highly specialized anti-magic/anti-dragon CR 21+ encounter with him being souped up by Father and/or Chosen of Stranger making an appearance too.

Likely with all sorts of contingencies to come back if he's just killed, too.

And still, we gotta face him off around the next month IC, or else timetables become too messed up even for our "10 enemies fighting us on the plane at the same time"-standard :/
 
Problem with Lucan is that he's moral beyond all else.

As much salt was spilled in thread over morality of this and that, Lucan's whole character is built on "no, this is bullshit, I cant accept this".
And, essentially, hes not a bad guy.

He recognizes we are a better choice for Westeros as a ruler, and even as a defender.
He just cannot accept one too damn many of our practices if we do.

If we can persuade him into moving to Hellven (any of the 3) and halping there?
I'd be hella surprised, but content.

If we cannot, well, he had a long-ass time to prepare for facing us off.
I expect about a highly specialized anti-magic/anti-dragon CR 21+ encounter with him being souped up by Father and/or Chosen of Stranger making an appearance too.

Likely with all sorts of contingencies to come back if he's just killed, too.

And still, we gotta face him off around the next month IC, or else timetables become too messed up even for our "10 enemies fighting us on the plane at the same time"-standard :/

I'm not sure that I will have time to finish reading. But I hope to take part in diplomacy, against Lucan.
I would suggest meeting in neutral territory ... in a paradise city under the control of hell. With a great view of the sky to show how useful it is to do the right thing, and not as it should.

Yes, and we need to prepare and constantly conduct fortune-telling against the entire party of Lucan. We know four around him, plus an angel. And if Lucan himself, possibly with an angel, is protected, then the rest can be transparent.
 
I am beginning to suspect Lucans own morals will prevent him from actually doing something drastic about us.

Whether he likes it or not we are holding half the planet together.

Much like hell, the cost of removing us must be weighed against the cost of letting us continue.
 
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Problem with Lucan is that he's moral beyond all else.

As much salt was spilled in thread over morality of this and that, Lucan's whole character is built on "no, this is bullshit, I cant accept this".
And, essentially, hes not a bad guy.

He recognizes we are a better choice for Westeros as a ruler, and even as a defender.
He just cannot accept one too damn many of our practices if we do.

If we can persuade him into moving to Hellven (any of the 3) and halping there?
I'd be hella surprised, but content.

If we cannot, well, he had a long-ass time to prepare for facing us off.
I expect about a highly specialized anti-magic/anti-dragon CR 21+ encounter with him being souped up by Father and/or Chosen of Stranger making an appearance too.

Likely with all sorts of contingencies to come back if he's just killed, too.

And still, we gotta face him off around the next month IC, or else timetables become too messed up even for our "10 enemies fighting us on the plane at the same time"-standard :/
I don't think describe him as moral is quite accurate. Don't get me wrong, he has strong morals, but morality isn't an objective property you can acquire that makes you universally right. Even in DnD, where Good can be measured out and stored in bottles, there are still all kinds of contradictory ways to qualify for it. That's not even considering all the ways the other alignments can fit into what we'd call good irl despite their labels.

Lucan's morals are drawn from a literally Medieval system which has unpleasant things to say about people who deviate in any way from their societal roles. He's also as you point out aware that we're the best option for saving lives, that we care about and wouldn't abuse the people of Westeros, and still denies us because he values his way of life over the people living it. He isn't the insane asshole we thought he was, but he's still an asshole.
 
I don't think describe him as moral is quite accurate. Don't get me wrong, he has strong morals, but morality isn't an objective property you can acquire that makes you universally right. Even in DnD, where Good can be measured out and stored in bottles, there are still all kinds of contradictory ways to qualify for it. That's not even considering all the ways the other alignments can fit into what we'd call good irl despite their labels.

Lucan's morals are drawn from a literally Medieval system which has unpleasant things to say about people who deviate in any way from their societal roles. He's also as you point out aware that we're the best option for saving lives, that we care about and wouldn't abuse the people of Westeros, and still denies us because he values his way of life over the people living it. He isn't the insane asshole we thought he was, but he's still an asshole.
While I agree with the first part, I am more skeptical about the second.

Lucan has taken a dedicated action to learn more about us and our empire for the upcoming talks.

Hes had people doing research for months. I would like to learn more... concrete information about him as well.
 
Chronology.



The origin / creation of the world.


The Lion of Night, together with the Maiden-Made-of-Light, give birth to God-on-Earth. At the same time of Lion of Night creates (Finds and empowers?) Tiamat (Bahamut appeared at the same time?).

Tiamat betrays Lion of Night, and together with the great elemental spirits/gods expels him to Nothing. So, the Great Other appears.

There are a lot of allusions to all this. It is known that the Lion of the Night returned to the world and committed atrocities precisely during the first Long Night. Also, the Five Strongholds (an analogue of the Wall in the east) protect it from it. Apparently, he planned to take the Primary Material to himself, and rule with the help of his son and Tiamat .

Tiamat, having received strength from the great elemental spirits/gods, expels/kills them (I think the war with Bahamut was then).

I think that the Wyrm Mother shared Essos with God-on-Earth, through the Bony Mountains.

Meanwhile, fairies flourish on Westeros. Eight courtyards ruled by the Lord, Sage and Warrior rule the whole continent.


Age of Dawn.


God-on-Earth, creates the Great Empire of Dawn and that stretches from the Shivering Sea to the Jade Sea and including the isle of Leng, and from the Bones to the Gray Wastes. He rules 10,000 years.

His son and heir, the Pearl Emperor, rules over 1,000 years. Under him, the Five Strongholds appear to protect the Empire from the demons of the Leo of the Night (the Great Other). I think God-on-Earth had enough of his own strength to shield the kingdom from fiends.

After him ruled the Jade, Tourmaline, Onyx, Topaz and Opal emperors. Each reigned less than his predecessor, and the Empire of Dawn itself became weaker and weaker.

Proto-Valyria is flourishing in the west of Essos, where people are just dragon slaves.

But despite the lords of sky, human kingdoms are born west of the Bony Mountains. Ruled by the Fisher Queens, the state of the Silver Sea, and the city-state of Sarn. Qaathi, an ancestor of the inhabitants of the Qarth, even build protection from Proto-Valyria, using the Sphere of the Red Dragon.

The Deep Ones are expanding their empire on land (did they arrive at this time? Or did they always lurk under water?). Asshay, Yeen, built of wicked stone, buildings on the Basilisk Islands, the Labyrinth in Lothar (not sure if it was built by the Deep Ones), and an outpost on the Battle Island.

In Sotorios, the serpent humans, under the auspices of Yss, fight the drow worshiping Lolth.

In the Westeros, the children of the forest appear, not quite fairies, but still ordinary estimated. Giants live there too. And that is where the First Men come, with faith in the Storm God and Mother Earth ... and with a fire behind.

It is obvious that the first people fled from the Dragon, from the fact, that we know from Felzath the Farseer, during the time of First Men settlement of Westeros Proto-Valyria still existed.

Children of the forest trying to stop the invasion of the first people to destroy the Arm of Dorne and flooding the Neck into a swamp, but in the end almost lose. The war ends with the signing of the Covenant, which ultimately made the First Men followers of the faith in the Old Gods.


Age of Heroes (and Villains).


In the Great Empire Dawn Opal emperor dies, but his legal heir Amethyst empresses killing her own brother. Which was crowned as the Bloodstone Emperor. He marries Rakshasa, organizes the Church of Starry Wisdom, and undermines the locks of imprisonment of Lion of Night.

I think he did all this for power and immortality. After all, if the Lion of Night was indeed his ancestor, then he could hope to gain or take power from him. And judging by what we know about the kingdom of the Rakshasas on the Plan of Shadows, he ultimately succeeded.

In Westeros, one of the fairies' rulers - the Warrior loses himself, and the Lord loses his Crown to Garth Greenhand. As a result, the Lord falls asleep, and Garth becomes the ruler of both the People and the Fairies. Eighth, White court do not want to submit a mortal ruler, and with the help of Lion of Night breaks its contracts.

The latter is just an assumption, it is possible that the White Court would come under the arm of the Great Other for other reasons, but it seems to me that it is my version that is logical.

In Proto-Valyria, sorcerers with dragon blood rebel against their masters. He is led by fifteen strongest magicians, fourteen of whom are destined to become gods, and the fifteenth doom of Valyria.

Here again, there is no evidence when exactly this happened, but it seems to me that the expulsion of Tiamat from the Primary Material, which he had to protect from the Great Other, should have preceded the Long Night.
I think there were other reasons for the first Long Night. The Deep Ones got a lot out of this, capturing almost all of Nirvana. Daemon is one of the few allies of the Others. Asmodeus also received a lot.


Lion of Night broke free and led his minion into Heaven. And despite the fact that in the Upper Planes his forces almost triumphed, in the Primary Material, he received a crushing defeat.

In addition to the legends Azor Ahai and Last Hero, I am sure that Fourteen fought with the forces of Others. The Deep Ones most likely were also expelled from coastal areas.

I don't know if anyone will be interested in this frankly amateurish analysis, but I just wanted to streamline the very ancient history of the primary material.
 
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  • [X] To Kasath I would join strength to strength with yourself, as in the sphere of war you might already contend against the decrepit, the delusional and the damned, instead in peace we would go and entreat the lords there to set aside ruin and make an end of madness.
    -[X] With yourself, the familiarity of that entreaty would not be blinded by suspicion, by the contempt for outsiders and the cynic watching for unproven words and shallow motivations. And myself the will and means to accomplish what we set our minds to, some of Sarnor's legacy can wrest itself from the grave, or at least lay bitter and old hatreds to rest.
    [X] With our host joined, the three of us might go onward, setting aside thoughts of making war for a short time, and investigate the ails of Mardosh. There we might find what facade has woven itself upon the people there, and if it should be a cur or a horror leading them to their own ends upon unseen strings, we might cut them and hopefully grow in strength even further before battle is joined.
    [X] As for Gornath, one could hardly claim the so-called King of Rats to be the most proactive ruler. Let him moulder in madness and stew in impotent hate, he will bide himself for us and not dare stick his head out of his strongness and holdfast. If the sane still thrive under his paranoid eye, an earnest entreating from their fellows might pull them out of the way of the funerary pyre.
    [X] Finally, for the foes who would drown the living and tread and retread their mummery endlessly until they are made puppets themselves by the dread power of the Far North, with Sarnath there can be no peace, but there might be rest. With our host combined we might put an end to them once and for all, vengeance long sated and hope for the future restored. No more will the Sarnori mire in madness and linger in hatred upon the world under the sun, but instead rebuild themselves there upon the stones of the previous age.
 
Part MMMDLXXVII: A Flame in Ashes Stirring
A Flame in Ashes Stirring

Third Day of the Second Month 294 AC

"To Kasath I would join strength to strength with yourself, as in the sphere of war you might already contend against the decrepit, the delusional and the damned," you begin setting out a matter long considered. "Instead in peace we would go and entreat the lords there to set aside ruin and make an end of madness."

"Much hope do your words hold," the queen of Sathar replies evenly. "It is hope I do not share. Eskil, stand before us and recount your journey to the City of Caravans."

At her call a being of half crumbling bone and tarnished bronze and half roiling mist and enduring spirit drifts away from the company of his peers and bows before you. A charming smile briefly flickers through the air before the timeworn skull.


"I have the honor of being the High Priest of Sathar in these strange days," he introduces himself with fulsome courtesy that veers into light flirting when he comes to Tyene, leaving her uncommonly bemused and Waymar struggling to hold back a smile at her reaction as much as the situation itself.

For your part you cannot help but notice he names no god to match his title. Does he draw power from some abstract concept or power of the cosmos, you wonder. Or is the title one of prestige and not faith? From the look Dany is giving him behind her gracious smile you suspect her thoughts are in step with yours.
"I fear you shall find less peace and sanity in Kasath than one might expect," Eskil's words draw you from your thoughts. "Foul Khal Moro, accursed be his name and slow his torments in the Halls of the Fallen, worked great blasphemies upon the temples of Kasath where the last of its people fled with the fall of her walls..."

A dull roar of wordless rage like the wind of barren crests begins to build in the room at the mention of the plunderer of both Kasath and Sathar, but the queen does not seem inclined to interfere unless it should drown out the account.

"The men of Gornath, blinded by the lure of gold aided in the madness and butchery, stained holy altars with the blood of Sarnori and foreigners alike. No single king rules Kaasth, but thousands, bone upon bone and voice upon voice and spirit upon spirit, howling for the death of Gornath as much as that of the savages. There will be no reason, no trade and no alliance with the City of Caravans while stone upon stone remains of Gornath. The only aid the Many-Voiced-One will accept before that day is the one they attempted to draw from me, a joining. I counted more bones than this before my journey to Kasath, and many of my fellows were not so fortunate."

You had thought to let the Rat King molder in his halls and stew in hatred while you tried to tempt away those of his fellows who might still be sane. Alas it seems the wounds of old conspire against the notion. Then again, can you trust the being the priest named the Many-Voiced-One not to continue to feed even if you fulfill its vengeance? The hunger he spoke of seeds dark suspicions in your mind. Despair and ruin are both the marks of many a dark power that would love nothing better than such a mighty champion.

"To Mardosh then we should travel first," Waymar interjects. "Find out what's behind the mummery and if it's some fiend or dark herald pulling at the strings so we cut them and free their souls from the lie."

"The Unconquered Host will not lightly allow your passage beyond the walls they failed to keep safe in life, young one," Queen Namaaru cautions. "If we are to first battle them than there would be no army of allies and our own ground down by battle." She gives you a piercing look from the dark hollows of the ancient mask. "That is where your plan was leading, was it not? Marching to Sarnath and make an end of it at the last, the First City against the greatest?"

"Yes," you answer plainly. The time for fair and courtly kenning is past.

"I agree, I shall grant you such envoys and heralds of my will such as you may require to speak before the walls of Kasath or Mardosh if you still wish to make the attempt, and when the hour comes we march together against Sarnath, Son of Dragons."

What do you do next?

[] Head to one of the other cities to see if they might be persuaded to your side with the aid of Sathari envoys
-[] Kasath, approach with care and pledge vengeance
-[] Mardosh, investigate the strange dichotomy

[] Travel to Gornath and see if any souls may be persuaded to abandon the Rat King

[] Begin the muster on Sarnath

[] Write in


OOC: Some pretty good rolls and more information about the other cities. It pays to remember it was not just the Dothraki who killed Sarnor, there was plenty of short-sighted greed in the mix.
 
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A Flame in Ashes Stirring

Third Day of the Second Month 294 AC

"To Kasath I would join strength to strength with yourself, as in the sphere of war you might already contend against the decrepit, the delusional, and the damned," you begin, setting out a matter long considered. "Instead in peace we would go and entreat the lords there to set aside ruin and make an end of madness."

"Much hope do your words hold," the queen of Sathar replies evenly. "It is hope I do not share. Eskil, stand before us and recount your journey to the City of Caravans."

At this call a being, half crumbling bone and tarnished bronze half roiling mist and enduring spirit, drifts away from the company of his peers and bows before you. A charming smile briefly flickers though the air before the timeworn skull.


"I have the honor of being the High Priest of Sathar in these strange days," he introduces himself with fulsome courtesy that veers into light flirting when he comes to Tyene, leaving her uncommonly bemused and Waymar struggling to hold back a smile at her reaction as much as the situation itself.

For your part you cannot help but notice he names no god to match his title. Does he draw power from some abstract concept or power of the cosmos, you wonder, or is the title one of prestige rather than faith? From the look Dany is giving him behind her gracious smile, you suspect her thoughts are in step with yours.

"I fear you shall find less peace and sanity in Kasath than one might expect," Eskil's words draw you from your thoughts. "foul Khal Moro, accursed be his name and slow his torments in the Halls of the Fallen, worked great blasphemies upon the temples of Kasath, where the last of its people fled with the fall of her walls..."

A dull roar of wordless rage like the wind of barren crests begins to build in the room at the mention of the plunderer of both Kasath and Sathar, but the queen does not seem inclined to interfere unless it should drown out the account.

"The men of Gornath, blinded by the lure of gold, aided in the madness and butchery, stained holy altars with the blood of Sarnori and foreigner alike. No single prince rules Kaasth, but thousands, bone upon bone and voice upon voice and spirit upon spirit, howling for the death of Gornath as much as that of the savages. There will be no reason, no trade, and no alliance with the City of Caravans while stone upon stone remains of Gornath. The only aid the Many-Voiced-One will accept before that day is the one they attempted to draw from me, a joining. I counted more bones than this before my journey to Kasath, and many of my fellows were not so fortunate."

You had thought to let the Rat King molder in his halls and stew in hatred while you tried to tempt away those of his fellows who might still be sane. Alas, it seems the wounds of old conspire against the notion. Then again, can you trust the being the priest named the Many-Voiced-One not to continue to feed even if you fulfill its vengeance. The hunger he spoke of seeds dark suspicions in your mind. Despair and ruin are both the marks of many a dark power that would love nothing better than such a mighty champion.

"To Morosh then we should travel first," Waymar interjects. "Find out what's behind the mummery, and if it's some fiend or dark herald pulling at the strings, we cut them and free their souls from the lie."

"The Unconquered Host will not lightly allow your passage beyond the walls they failed to keep safe in life, young one," Queen Namaaru cautions. "If we are to first battle them, then there should be no army of allies and our own ground down by battle." She gives you a piercing look from the dark hollows of the ancient mask. "That is where your plan was leading, was it not? March to Sarnath and make an end of it at the last, the First City against the greatest?"

"Yes," you answer plainly. The time for fair and courtly kenning is past.

"I agree. I shall grant you envoys and heralds of my will such as you may require to speak before the walls of Kasath or Morosh if you still wish to make the attempt, and when the hour comes we march together against Sarnath, son of Dragons."

What do you do next?

[] Head to one of the other cities to see if they might be persuaded to your side with the aid of Sathari envoys
-[] Kasath, approach with care and pledge vengeance
-[] Morosh, investigate the strange dichotomy

[] Travel to Gornath and see if any souls may be persuaded to abandon the Rat King

[] Begin the muster on Sarnath

[] Write in


OOC: Some pretty good rolls and more information about the other cities. It pays to remember it was not just the Dothraki who killed Sarnor, there was plenty of short-sighted greed in the mix. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, @DragonParadox.
 
[X] Head to one of the other cities to see if they might be persuaded to your side with the aid of Sathari envoys
-[X] Morosh, investigate the strange dichotomy


Best chance at getting additional allies.
 
Kasath will propably have to fall anyway, they are also the ones who sacrifice people and all that stuff.
Their leader being a vast monstrosity of a thousand suffering souls only makes the course clearer.

Might take them as a first target. Less military than Morosh too, so our Legions should be able to do their part.
 
And this is why Lucan will never compromise with Viserys. Because he believes that the means taint the end, as evident by how far Heaven has fallen, no matter the good intentions of it's rulers. How both Heaven and the Father have become so engrossed in games of power and control that they lost sight of the cruelty and wrongness of their means. Lucan is no longer buying into the utilitarian argument that anything can be justified, were it just to cause enough Good down the line, because he realized that you can justify absolutely everything that way. Even Baator is a necessary evil if you compare it to Abaddon, the Abyss or the Void.

Here is the relevant note regarding Lucan. There you go.
 
...I think I am a horrible person.
I read this
Voice of the Ancients (Su)
...

Each time a creature is subjected to this attack, there is a 1% chance that some of the lost lore transmitted into her mind causes her to gain a permanent +2 bonus to Intelligence.
and I want to industrialize exposing people to a captured C!Colossus for permanent Int bonuses.
:V
 
[X] Head to one of the other cities to see if they might be persuaded to your side with the aid of Sathari envoys
-[X] Morosh, investigate the strange dichotomy
 
Chronology.



The origin / creation of the world.


The Lion of Night, together with the Maiden-Made-of-Light, give birth to God-on-Earth. At the same time of Lion of Night creates (Finds and empowers?) Tiamat (Bahamut appeared at the same time?).

Tiamat betrays Lion of Night, and together with the great elemental spirits/gods expels him to Nothing. So, the Great Other appears.

There are a lot of allusions to all this. It is known that the Lion of the Night returned to the world and committed atrocities precisely during the first Long Night. Also, the Five Strongholds (an analogue of the Wall in the east) protect it from it. Apparently, he planned to take the Primary Material to himself, and rule with the help of his son and Tiamat .

Tiamat, having received strength from the great elemental spirits/gods, expels/kills them (I think the war with Bahamut was then).

I think that the Wyrm Mother shared Essos with God-on-Earth, through the Bony Mountains.

Meanwhile, fairies flourish on Westeros. Eight courtyards ruled by the Lord, Sage and Warrior rule the whole continent.


Age of Dawn.


God-on-Earth, creates the Great Empire of Dawn and that stretches from the Shivering Sea to the Jade Sea and including the isle of Leng, and from the Bones to the Gray Wastes. He rules 10,000 years.

His son and heir, the Pearl Emperor, rules over 1,000 years. Under him, the Five Strongholds appear to protect the Empire from the demons of the Leo of the Night (the Great Other). I think God-on-Earth had enough of his own strength to shield the kingdom from fiends.

After him ruled the Jade, Tourmaline, Onyx, Topaz and Opal emperors. Each reigned less than his predecessor, and the Empire of Dawn itself became weaker and weaker.

Proto-Valyria is flourishing in the west of Essos, where people are just dragon slaves.

But despite the lords of sky, human kingdoms are born west of the Bony Mountains. Ruled by the Fisher Queens, the state of the Silver Sea, and the city-state of Sarn. Qaathi, an ancestor of the inhabitants of the Qarth, even build protection from Proto-Valyria, using the Sphere of the Red Dragon.

The Deep Ones are expanding their empire on land (did they arrive at this time? Or did they always lurk under water?). Asshay, Yeen, built of wicked stone, buildings on the Basilisk Islands, the Labyrinth in Lothar (not sure if it was built by the Deep Ones), and an outpost on the Battle Island.

In Sotorios, the serpent humans, under the auspices of Yss, fight the drow worshiping Lolth.

In the Westeros, the children of the forest appear, not quite fairies, but still ordinary estimated. Giants live there too. And that is where the First Men come, with faith in the Storm God and Mother Earth ... and with a fire behind.
Ancient version of Merling King was also one of those three gods of the First Men.

It is obvious that the first people fled from the Dragon, from the fact, that we know from Felzath the Farseer, during the time of First Men settlement of Westeros Proto-Valyria still existed.

Children of the forest trying to stop the invasion of the first people to destroy the Arm of Dorne and flooding the Neck into a swamp, but in the end almost lose. The war ends with the signing of the Covenant, which ultimately made the First Men followers of the faith in the Old Gods.


Age of Heroes (and Villains).


In the Great Empire Dawn Opal emperor dies, but his legal heir Amethyst empresses killing her own brother. Which was crowned as the Bloodstone Emperor. He marries Rakshasa, organizes the Church of Starry Wisdom, and undermines the locks of imprisonment of Lion of Night.

I think he did all this for power and immortality. After all, if the Lion of Night was indeed his ancestor, then he could hope to gain or take power from him. And judging by what we know about the kingdom of the Rakshasas on the Plan of Shadows, he ultimately succeeded.

In Westeros, one of the fairies' rulers - the Warrior loses himself, and the Lord loses his Crown to Garth Greenhand. As a result, the Lord falls asleep, and Garth becomes the ruler of both the People and the Fairies. Eighth, White court do not want to submit a mortal ruler, and with the help of Lion of Night breaks its contracts.

The latter is just an assumption, it is possible that the White Court would come under the arm of the Great Other for other reasons, but it seems to me that it is my version that is logical.

I thought it was the Winter Court that became the Others thanks to the Void? Or at least most of it given that Rina is becoming a new Winter Fey and she has some sort of power source she could feel in the area beyond the Wall.
In Proto-Valyria, sorcerers with dragon blood rebel against their masters. He is led by fifteen strongest magicians, fourteen of whom are destined to become gods, and the fifteenth doom of Valyria.

Here again, there is no evidence when exactly this happened, but it seems to me that the expulsion of Tiamat from the Primary Material, which he had to protect from the Great Other, should have preceded the Long Night.
I think there were other reasons for the first Long Night. The Deep Ones got a lot out of this, capturing almost all of Nirvana. Daemon is one of the few allies of the Others. Asmodeus also received a lot.


Lion of Night broke free and led his minion into Heaven. And despite the fact that in the Upper Planes his forces almost triumphed, in the Primary Material, he received a crushing defeat.

In addition to the legends Azor Ahai and Last Hero, I am sure that Fourteen fought with the forces of Others. The Deep Ones most likely were also expelled from coastal areas.

I don't know if anyone will be interested in this frankly amateurish analysis, but I just wanted to streamline the very ancient history of the primary material.
R'hllor told us that Azor Ahai worked alongside the Red Dragonflight that ruled proto-Valyria to beat the Others in the East.
From a dragon dream we know that the Dragons burned a massive army to create the Ashlands north of Asshai. Having been hiding in the Fourteen Fires while the other Dragon types were driven crazy. And something they did then allowed them to work together afterwards to make a civilisation they all took part in rather than separating to do their own thing.
 
[X] Goldfish

Well, I still have hope's that we'll get 4(!) Cities to destroy, then.

I really do not want to leave more than 1 Undead super-state out there after we are done.

I think the rate of insanity/success might not make this economically viable.
Bah! We have 3 different methods of memory-erasure, a massive RA going into restoring sanity on top of that, access to Psinoic experts and several Deities we can pay off with HD.
"Hubris" is for the weeeeeeeak!
[:V]
 
and I want to industrialize exposing people to a captured C!Colossus for permanent Int bonuses.
You are a bad bad magpie egoo

[X] Head to one of the other cities to see if they might be persuaded to your side with the aid of Sathari envoys
-[X] Morosh, investigate the strange dichotomy

Lets get to the bottom of that one first then we can declare open season with a clearer conscience.
 
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