Jack vile Ripper
The swellest guy in Creation.
- Location
- Indonesia
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- He/Him
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- United States
Yep. Some people are just born to rule.
It's no skin off our back if she says no. Either she bends the knee and we bring her and whatever of her followers we can back to life somehow, or she becomes a very potent sacrifice. She'd be the... second mythic sacrifice I believe.
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[X] Goldfish
Jack vile Ripper
The swellest guy in Creation.
- Location
- Indonesia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We could just part ways as friends and allies and leave them to rule their own land...
Yeah, tough luck on that one. Considering our desire to rule the world not even a Liche Queen like her would stop us on our ambition. It'll be a gradual thing, though. For no Ruler — especially an Essosi — would ever just give up whatever authority and power that she has just because some teen in a magical garb wanted to.
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- United States
Yeah, no. That's not happening. If they were literally anything else then maybe we'd be willing to ignore them for a few years, but a city of undead is a ticking time bomb just waiting to be infected with the Void. Either we bring them back to life as vassals or put them back into the grave permanently.
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- United States
I do think she's reasonable enough to bend the knee here. I highly doubt she's thrilled about being undead, so any offer that sees her and her followers returned to life, even if it is in our service, would probably be deeply tempting.
Jack vile Ripper
The swellest guy in Creation.
- Location
- Indonesia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You and me both buddy.
Especially so because of the fact that she looks like Khalida. Aaaah, I still remembered my Gotrek and Felix novel.
...
I just got a revelation. If this chick from ass-end-of-nowhere (hyperbole) has a Mythic Rank, what would their greatest King would be like?
...SETTRA?
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- United States
She's also shrewd enough to know what she wants and what she's willing to give up for it. I don't think this is going to end up in a multi-meeting negotiation for what boils down to a rather simple deal.
Alas, there could have been much better Khalida pictures used. The golden mask is iconic.
This is not exactly the ass end of nowhere, Sathar is the first city of the Tall Men, though not the greatest, that is Sarnath itself.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
Aye.
Even if they know of the Void, and have enough of a cognizance to realise that's a bad thing for them as much as everyone else...
Maybe they even have some hair-brained "foolproof" plan for handling it...
Does that really change anything for us, IC?
We've seen time and time again Void can't be reliably contained, even Snek-ppl largely failed at it, if over a loooong period of time.
I recon, we can't just "let them be" IC, for a multitude of reasons, from Undead being Bad for everyone and the environment (can be circumvented with Wyla's research, likely costly tho), and fears of Void-corruption (low chance, but kinda an existential threat to everything, again), and finally because most of the other kingdoms are assholes that acted agaisnt our people (and us as such).
I'd preferred to leave them Undead and just stop them from taunting the land via Wyla's RA, to rezzing them, though.
...If only because I find the concept of having a kingom of Undead as a part of our Empire Metal. As. Fuck.
Jack vile Ripper
The swellest guy in Creation.
- Location
- Indonesia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Apologies. I was thinking that on the era that this Queen was from, Sarnor must've been just a small territory considering it's predating the Freehold and her name wasn't as venerated as any other Sarnori Queen.
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- florida
Weve experimented rather extensively with keeping Undead from being corrupted by the void. (Bless you QB)Aye.
Even if they know of the Void, and have enough of a cognizance to realise that's a bad thing for them as much as everyone else...
Maybe they even have some hair-brained "foolproof" plan for handling it...
Does that really change anything for us, IC?
We've seen time and time again Void can't be reliably contained, even Snek-ppl largely failed at it, if over a loooong period of time.
I recon, we can't just "let them be" IC, for a multitude of reasons, from Undead being Bad for everyone and the environment (can be circumvented with Wyla's research, likely costly tho), and fears of Void-corruption (low chance, but kinda an existential threat to everything, again), and finally because most of the other kingdoms are assholes that acted agaisnt our people (and us as such).
I'd preferred to leave them Undead and just stop them from taunting the land via Wyla's RA, to rezzing them, though.
...If only because I find the concept of having a kingom of Undead as a part of our Empire Metal. As. Fuck.
Deploying it on this scale seems like the next logical step. Especially given how many undead we are creating and deploying.
Jack vile Ripper
The swellest guy in Creation.
- Location
- Indonesia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
...If only because I find the concept of having a kingom of Undead as a part of our Empire Metal. As. Fuck.
Arthas much?
Still, I get you. I WANT MY OWN NEHEKHARA, GOD-DAMNIT!
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- United States
That wasn't to keep undead protected from the Void, that was just to stabilize them in general so they don't go blithering mad like most undead do.
It would be cool, but it'd also be a dick move on our part not to make the offer to return them to life.
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Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
Felix was a practiced womanizer, we have, at best, woo'd only Lya.
And most of that was just us both being gigantic nerds about magic shit and going on what amounted to study dates with the occasional murder.
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- Germany
Sometimes I miss Azel.
Both for the diplo here and for someone who does not panic about undead in general.
Both for the diplo here and for someone who does not panic about undead in general.
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- florida
Fair, but I still find it confusing to say "undead are bad" when were deploying almost a legion of them.
I'm happy to support life support however.
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- United States
Undead aren't bad in of themselves. Ours are under our control and can be put down if necessary, and for the time being they're insanely useful against Deep Ones. However, entire kingdoms of them far away from us which could end up Void tainted are a much higher risk.
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- florida
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
...Define "panic".
Most of us here are 100% fine with them, afaik - long as we get to slap the RA Wyla's working on onto them, to keep said Undead stable(r) in mind.
I miss him too :C
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
There's always the possibility that she agree to be an ally, and pay for the resurrection of her people, but wont agree to be a vassal, as long as we can reach an agreement that don't cost us money, I believe such an agreement would be acceptable.
Also I think my plan for mass resurrection work for these Sarnori, it only require us to do the research action to figure out how to merge soul gems with soulless bodies, and we can provide them all new bodies, we can even make a profit, by requiring them to sacrifice their old bodies, either to a Heart tree, or just to being dumped in the Fungus Forge.
The plan is simple, we buy items of Spark of Life and Create soul gem, then we implant their souls in bodies grown in the Forge, and they're alive again if not in their original bodies.
We need a research action, to figure out how to implant souls from soul gems in soulless bodies from the Forge of course, but that's really all the research this plan need.
@DragonParadox What's the research cost, of figuring out how to implant souls in soul gems made with Create Soul Gem – d20PFSRD into soulless bodies from either of our Forges?
Also how many IM worth of reagents, do 1 HD worth of sacrifice to a Heart Tree make(by making the Heart Tree use the sacrifice to grow magical plants)
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Oh, ya'll think it comes across as rude? That wasn't my intention at all. I can remove that line without it affecting the overall response much, I guess.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
I'm thinking if they want to be allies not Vassals, and we use my resurrection idea to return them to life, they get 1HD worth of new body, for every 4HD worth of old bodies they send to the Fungus Forge, and get to spend 80% of the reagents, made by them sacrificing themselves before a Heart tree on new bodies, giving us a 25% HD income and 20% reagent income if they refuse to be vassals, if they agree to be vassals, they get to use the Forges to make them new bodies at cost.