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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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BronzeTongue said:
There is a difference between what you order directly and what happens "naturally"; we can hardly take responsibility for the entire world. We should do what we can to avoid stuff like that, but unless you think we should soul gem anyone we execute then the Abyss will have to keep until we have the Imperial deity set up.
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Actually I think he kind of has a point, although I don't think mind rape is the solution, what we need is a helm of opposite alignment, and criminals donning it should be voluntary, but having all criminals sentenced to execution, get a divination of what afterlife they're destined for, and offering those who are destined for undesirable afterlives such as the Lower planes, the opportunity to choose death of personality, though things like a Helm of opposite alignment or even mind rape, would be kinder than executing them.
Goldfish said:
Just because something has been reprogrammed to be "Good", or at least not a malignancy upon the face of reality, doesn't mean it's past deeds don't already condemn it to the Abyss. I think it might be worse for such a creature, since they're now Good but are going to end up in the Abyss anyway. DP has long since ruled that spells like Atonement don't exist in this setting, so I doubt the Alignment-altering properties of Mind Rape would be any more allowed to affect a being's ultimate fate.
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That's not how which afterlife you go to work, you aren't judged and sent to an afterlife based on the judgement, elemental alignment, simply has an attraction effect on souls with the same alignment in them, so the Abyss attract CE, Heaven attract LG, and Limbo attract TN, altering a beings mind is altering what elemental alignment is in their soul, and so altering which afterlife they're naturally pulled towards.
DragonParadox said:
They would not have to redeem themselves, they would be a different person metaphysically... and possibility horrified to the point of self-destruction at how they came to be. There is a reason you don't use and evil spell to make people good.
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Yeah mind rape isn't a way to save someone, but if you could get ahold of a cheap way to mass cast it, it's a way to provide oblivion, to souls who would otherwise go to the Lower planes, where they would be tortured until they ceased to exist, so if we had an easy way to provide it, to criminals who get the death sentence, I would want to offer it on a voluntary basic, so criminals could choose oblivion over eternal torture.

Also this talk just made me think of something entirely separate, you can guarantee your entrance into the old gods afterlife, by sacrificing yourself to them with entrance as the boon asked for right? And the Fungus/Flesh forge, use souls/spirits from the old gods afterlife for the creatures made in them.

Considering this, I just came up with a new variant, of my re embodying the Sarnori undead plan, the Sarnori undead who want to live again, sacrifice themselves before a Heart Tree, while asking for 2 boons, 1 entrance into the old gods afterlife, 2 the production of reagents for the Flesh Forge(assuming that the boon of getting into the old gods afterlife, isn't big enough to consume all the boon energy, even a 1HD willing undead sacrifice provide) then the reagents grown from their sacrifice, is sent to the Flesh Forge, where they get re embodied with a body of their choice(with how many reagents their sacrifice provided, deciding the budget for a new body they get.)

Would this work @DragonParadox, or are the old gods against having souls just passing though their afterlife, even if said souls pay for the trip?
 
Goldfish said:
Maybe we can just try for the curious Archmage routine? Powerful enough to go where we want when we want, powerful enough to do so with a minimum of fuss, and with the wealth needed to participate in a high end auction. We don't have to be representatives of a foreign power, a cabal of mages, or even a transformed Dragon. Just a Human looking to buy some lore.
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Oh, be deliberately false about where we come from, with a second layer of deliberate hints below it. Maybe ones pointing to the Plane of Air or some place where these books wouldn't be welcome?
 
[X] 'Metatron', almost certainly an alias, a Planetar with wings fading gold to steel in every second feather, alongside Dick Sharpe, some variety of mercenary with a bit more strength of spirit and will than the usual run of souls who end up in Heaven's Shore.
-[X] Note, Change Shape allows you to keep your ability scores but still appear like an Outsider who's form you have taken.
 
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DragonParadox said:
They are against it. It would seriously damage the tranquility of the Grendream if used on mass.
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Okay alternative way, instead of sending souls though the Greendream, if we grow soulless bodies in the Fungus/Flesh Forge, and have said bodies there at the Heart Tree while an undead sacrifice itself, can they transfer the undeads soul into the soulless body, while using the surplus boon energy(if there are any) to grow reagents?

Also what tranquility of the Greendream, from all we hear about it from Bloodraven, it's a chaotic mess of screaming manchildren.
 
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tarrangar said:
Okay alternative way, instead of sending souls though the Greendream, if we grow soulless bodies in the Fungus/Flesh Forge, and have said bodies there at the Heart Tree while an undead sacrifice itself, can they transfer the undeads soul into the soulless body, while using the surplus boon energy(if there are any) to grow reagents?
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That is both doable and there is a research option for it, developing a ritual to raise the ancient dead when you have their souls. Just keep in mind that not all of them will be sane or present enough to take the option.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is both doable and there is a research option for it, developing a ritual to raise the ancient dead when you have their souls. Just keep in mind that not all of them will be sane or present enough to take the option.
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So it need a research option, the old gods can't just drag the soul halfway into the Greendream, then spit it out into the soulless body, before it can disturb the tranquility of the Greendream?

Because the whole point, was whether we could bypass the whole need an research option, by using the fact that the old gods, already have a means of reincarnating the long dead in new bodies, in that any spirit that wants to, can be inserted into a body made in the Fungus Forge.
 
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Crake said:
Depending on how @DragonParadox wants to play it, Metatron was an important leader on Mt. Celestia before the Sundering who kept important records. There's virtually no chance he isn't either dead or presumed such/gone missing, so that's why it will be regarded as an alias.
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I feel like you are setting us up to get into more trouble than needed here.

Did we not agree that it's just a quick in-and-out trip?
Meant not to pick up the attention of anyone, even pointedly not going for the best bids out there if those are bet on by more dangerous locals?

[X] Craft a reasonable one-use persona, using all necessary precautions.

I don't feel like this is much of a "I should do fewer of 'write-up'-votes", DP :V
 
Actually, I really want those extra HD if it comes to a fight. @Goldfish, can we be a Solar? I think we just need +2 more Caster Level, right?
 
Masquerading as a goddamn Planetar or a Solar is way more conspicuous than I'm comfortable with. Are you trying to get us a private meeting with the Infernal general stationed in Heaven's Shore?

[X] egoo
 
egoo said:
I feel like you are setting us up to get into more trouble than needed here.

Did we not agree that it's just a quick in-and-out trip?
Meant not to pick up the attention of anyone, even pointedly not going for the best bids out there if those are bet on by more dangerous locals?

[X] Craft a reasonable one-use persona, using all necessary precautions.

I don't feel like this is much of a "I should do fewer of 'write-up'-votes", DP :V
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Keep in mind, the reason this is even a vote to begin with is if we are someone faceless, we are going to have just as much scrutiny, or more likely MORE scrutiny if we are too forgettable.

Picking a guise is to direct the nature of that scrutiny and provide a cover if necessary. @DragonParadox can back me on that.
 
Duesal said:
Masquerading as a goddamn Planetar or a Solar is way more conspicuous than I'm comfortable with. Are you trying to get us a private meeting with the Infernal general stationed in Heaven's Shore?

[X] egoo
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Honestly, I would not mind meeting them... but now's not a good time, I guess.
 
Crake said:
Keep in mind, the reason this is even a vote to begin with is if we are someone faceless, we are going to have just as much scrutiny, or more likely MORE scrutiny if we are too forgettable.

Picking a guise is to direct the nature of that scrutiny and provide a cover if necessary. @DragonParadox can back me on that.
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It does not direct the nature of the scrutiny in a good way at all. The last group of powerful Good Outsiders to pass through was Lucan's group, and they were ferried into a direct meeting with the top brass running this place specifically because of how odd it was that there were unaccounted for angels of that level of power in their ranks.

If we're trying to avoid Asmodeus' attention for now this is not how we do it.
 
@DragonParadox Something that's been bothering me, if you're going to do a breakpoint vote, just roll a random encounter.

It feels so much less like a D&D game without those tables being rolled on when entering a new place or starting a new story arc, anyway.
 
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