A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Crake
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Also @Goldfish, a battery of steam cannons seemingly has an effective range of two miles in either direction? Meaning that to create enough emplacements (seventy-five batteries) to cover the wall would cost us 849,750 IM.
But that would be 750 Steam cannons across 300 miles. Though granted that's only every four miles of the fortification covered by ten cannons. For the enemy to come under withering fire would probably cost us twice as much. Then again, ten cannons can be loaded with Wildfyre rounds with Imperial Steel shrapnel, giving them disproportionate Fire for Effect against Winter and Void shit.
Given that we have at least 6 years to prepare, we could dedicate 11,330 IM permanently to creating steam batteries for the Wall and have the bare minimum done by then. Or we could dedicate 22,660 IM per month to it and the Wall would be covered by 1,500 Steam cannons by 300 AC and be virtually impossible to attack.
But that would be 750 Steam cannons across 300 miles. Though granted that's only every four miles of the fortification covered by ten cannons. For the enemy to come under withering fire would probably cost us twice as much. Then again, ten cannons can be loaded with Wildfyre rounds with Imperial Steel shrapnel, giving them disproportionate Fire for Effect against Winter and Void shit.
Given that we have at least 6 years to prepare, we could dedicate 11,330 IM permanently to creating steam batteries for the Wall and have the bare minimum done by then. Or we could dedicate 22,660 IM per month to it and the Wall would be covered by 1,500 Steam cannons by 300 AC and be virtually impossible to attack.
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- Ohio
We could magic some giant rocks into geosynchronous orbit above the site.
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- Germany
The problem is that this tree is rather important for some reason, though DP never elaborated on why. We can't move it.
The range is about 1 kilometre with good accuracy for direct fire and maybe 3 kilometres for ballistic firing.
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It might be important for the Builder's Anchor for all we know, or it might be actively keeping Winter at check somehow.
But we definitely know it's how Bloodraven is keeping an eye on the Others.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Hm, that's only about half a mile then for direct fire, but it does cover either direction. So it's more like 2 kilometers of coverage.
That means it would take 242 batteries, or 2,741,860 IM for full coverage of just ten cannons per 1.2 miles (for direct fire purposes at least).
We can gain ballistic coverage for 81 batteries (917,730 IM).
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- Germany
Definitely worth dropping the 3 million on that project.
After the war, we can still reuse most of the parts for the Imperial Airforce.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Yeah, that's what, 242 batteries? That's enough for like 6 Dauntless' (or like two dozen Moonchasers).
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
So in order to mount 242 batteries of cannons on Brandon's Wall by 300 AC, we would need to make like three batteries exclusively for that purpose every month starting now. We would actually end up running a little behind, but we could quickly finish up at pretty much any time and it would be at the point where only a tiny bit is lacking coverage. More than enough forces could be concentrated to make up for the lack in those portions.
Edit: That's 2,420 fucking cannons by the way... utterly ridiculous.
Edit: That's 2,420 fucking cannons by the way... utterly ridiculous.
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I'd wait with that until we took Westeros, since us blatantly installing imperial warmachines on the Wall will lead to some very awkward questions for poor Jeor Mormont.
Instead go with 5 batteries per month starting then. The only thing that needs real enchanting work is the targeting optics, while the turret itself and the boilers only need Permanency work that costs no time.
Heck, we should be able to easily farm out the optics to the Glassmaker Guild, which drives the price up a bit, but greatly enhances our production rate.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Not a bad idea. Subcontracting out to the Myrish for a project that long-term will go over well.
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- Germany
@Crake, your price for the batteries is slightly off.
We later included an Endure Elements effects to the turrets to shield the crew from the waste heat building up and it would help a lot to have that on the Wall when not firing to stay warm. It knocks up the price per turret by 200 IM, for a total of 1,150 IM per turret.
The full battery is then: 11,500 IM (10x Turrets) + 2,180 IM (Everflame Generator) = 13,680 IM
Sadly I misremembered about the turret effects being made by Permanency. That's just 2,000 IM from the generator, so we need to account for 11,680 IM -> 58.4 man-days of crafting per battery.
One set of targeting optics costs 425 IM to enchant, so 4,250 IM -> 21.25 man-days per battery. If we can get them from the Glassmaker Guild for a 20% markup, we would be slashing the enchantment time by a third and only pay 850 IM extra per battery. That would be 205,700 IM in profits for the guild, if they get the whole project.
We later included an Endure Elements effects to the turrets to shield the crew from the waste heat building up and it would help a lot to have that on the Wall when not firing to stay warm. It knocks up the price per turret by 200 IM, for a total of 1,150 IM per turret.
The full battery is then: 11,500 IM (10x Turrets) + 2,180 IM (Everflame Generator) = 13,680 IM
Sadly I misremembered about the turret effects being made by Permanency. That's just 2,000 IM from the generator, so we need to account for 11,680 IM -> 58.4 man-days of crafting per battery.
One set of targeting optics costs 425 IM to enchant, so 4,250 IM -> 21.25 man-days per battery. If we can get them from the Glassmaker Guild for a 20% markup, we would be slashing the enchantment time by a third and only pay 850 IM extra per battery. That would be 205,700 IM in profits for the guild, if they get the whole project.
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No, the optics are not priced right. They cost 425 IM per unit.
I'm not sure where he got 270 IM a piece.
Crake
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- USA
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- Germany
Either that or have minor enchanters do it in Braavos, Volantis or Mantarys. The things only need a CL of 1 and a cantrip.
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- Germany
We haven't actively enchanted any cannons so far and the unspoken agreement had been that it's the ammo you need to enchant.
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- United States
We need to have a stockpile of every kind of bane enchantment ammo, then. With Imperial Steel shrapnel.
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- Germany
@Crake, talking about how to turn a few million IM into cannons reminded me of something I was toying around with a while ago:
IMV Emperor
IMV Emperor
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Physical
Length 314.38 m Width 39.30 m Heigth 19.65 m Weight 386,496.38 metric tons
HullThickness 100.00 cm Steel-Lead Composite Yes Mirrored Yes Planar Adaptation Yes Glamered Yes Teleportation Warded Yes
FlightAir (sea level) Water Thrust 427,555.34 kN Speed (regular) 3,537.95 km/h 127.07 km/h Speed (maximum) 4,717.27 km/h 169.43 km/h
Planar TravelCan Planeshift Yes Linked Vessels 50 -
Crew
Crew 6539 NCO 654 Officer 66 Total 7259
PassengersBunks 1000 Regular Cabin 200 Large Cabin 100 Lavish Cabin 25 Total 1325
OtherSickbay 400 persons Brig 100 persons Mess Hall 9000 persons Life Support 9000 persons Cargo (Volume) 18,750.00 m³ Cargo (Weigth) 386,496.38 metric tons -
Armaments
200x Armament: Alchemical Launcher (Quad) 100x Armament: Beetle Bomb Rack 160x Armament: Steam Cannon 120x Armament: Steam Projector 500x Boarding Crew
Special Equipment2x Bridge: Deflection Upgrade 4x Bridge: Radar Station 20x Bridge: Shield Station 4x Bridge: Weather Station
WyvernsTotal Capacity 250 Launch Bays 30 -
100x AG-Engine The core of the vessel. Provides tremendous amounts of propulsive force. 90x Air Supply System Provides purified, fresh air and removes stale air. 200x Armament: Alchemical Launcher (Quad) Can launch any item fitting into the barrel to a maximum range of 440 feet. This is a quad emplacement, allowing four items to be launched simultanously. 100x Armament: Beetle Bomb Rack A small turret that is used to extend Beetle Bombs out of the warded parts of a vessel and then Teleport them to their destination. Can launch 2 Beetle Bombs per round at one target. 160x Armament: Steam Cannon Using superheated water, this cannon shoots super-sonic steel projectiles. (Rangeincrement: 400ft; 10d10 physical damage for standard ammunition; 20/4x crit) 120x Armament: Steam Projector Point defense weapon that fires a stream of super-heated water at anyone coming to close to the vessel. (60 ft line; 4d6 blunt and 4d6 fire; DC 15 Ref for half; if failed, DC 15 Fort against prone) 500x Boarding Crew An unattached crewmember taken along for boarding purposes. 2x Bridge: Command Chair Where the captain sits and from where he can control the entire vessel, most notably the engines, remotely. 2x Bridge: Deflection Upgrade Allows the captain to trigger an Entropic Shield once per day for a minute. 4x Bridge: Illusory Display, Advanced This improved display must be used in conjunction with a mirrored hull. Then it can be used to project a full view of the outside into the bridge, creating the illusion that the entire vessel is translucent and allowing the bridge crew to see everything going on around it. 4x Bridge: Navigation Station Using a Wayfinder, this station is used to navigate the vessel and get maps of the 50 miles around it, which can be projected with a Illusory Display. 40x Bridge: Observation Post, Advanced Unlike the simple version of this section, this uses Mirror Sight to not only observe the immediate surroundings of the vessel (provided it has a mirrored hull), but also to see through mirrors carried by crewmembers or aerial scouts. 4x Bridge: Radar Station The commandpost for a Radar setup. 20x Bridge: Shield Station This station creates temporary shields on the hull of the vessel. 4x Bridge: Weather Station Allows the operator to observe, predict and alter the weather within 6 miles around the vessel. 10x Brig Housing prisoners. 40x Cargo Crane Allows to lower a section of the hull to load and unload shipping containers. Can also be used to store one container while in flight. 260x Cargo Hold Enough space to store a 2.5m x 2.5m x 10m shipping container and the necessary infrastructure to move them around. 10x Communication Room Contains a warded Interplanar Whispering Brazier for long-range communication. 6539x Crew Quarter (Bunk) Enough space for a bunk and some personal items. 66x Crew Quarter (Large) Bed, closet, writing desk and enough space to store some personal stuff. 654x Crew Quarter (Regular) A small room with a bed, a locker and a small desk. 22x Everflame Generator Using an Everflame enchantment, this section heats water for use in steam armaments. 220x Hangar Wyvern Bay Room to store and maintain one Wyvern and store sufficient ammunition for it. 30x Hangar Wyvern Launch Bay A prepared launch bay for a Wyvern. Also provides room to store and maintain one Wyvern and store sufficient ammunition for it. 90x Mess Hall Includes eating space and a small kitchen to prepare meals. 1000x Passenger Quarter (Bunk) Enough space for a bunk and some personal items. 100x Passenger Quarter (Large) Bed, closet, writing desk and enough space to store some personal stuff. 25x Passenger Quarter (Lavish) A small bedroom and a sitting room for an important passenger. Includes a personal servant around the clock. 200x Passenger Quarter (Regular) A small room with a bed, a locker and a small desk. 20x Sickbay Room for healers to work and sick crewmembers and passengers to stay. 20000x Water Storage Stores one cubic meter of water for later use. 100x Water Supply System Provides purified, fresh water and disposes of waster water. -
540x Air System Engineer Operates and maintains a air system and the piping. 100x Beetle Bomb Gunner Mans a Beetle Bomb Rack. 200x Beetle Bomb Loader Mans a Beetle Bomb Rack. 500x Boarder A warrior specialized in boarding combat. 30x Brig Guard Guards the brig. 360x Cook Prepares food for crew and passengers. 12x Display Operator Operates an Illusory Display 600x Engine Operator Monitors and operates an AG-Engine. 330x Generator Operator Monitors and maintains a steam generator. They also perform repairs on steam related infrastructure of the vessel. 120x Healer Takes care of sick people. 6x Helmsman Controls the vessel when the captain is not doing so. 200x Launcher Gunner Aims and fires a Launcher. 400x Launcher Loader Lugs around the ammo for a Alchemical Launcher. 12x Navigator Plots courses and makes sure that the vessel stays on them. 654x NCO Non-comissioned officer in charge of the crew. 120x Observer Operates an Observation Post. 66x Officer Officer in charge of the crew. 12x Radar Operator Mans a Radar Station. 75x Servant Waits on important guests. 60x Shield Operator Mans a Shield Station. 160x Steam Cannon Gunner Aims a steam cannon. 320x Steam Cannon Loader Lugs around ammunition for a Steam Cannon. 120x Steam Projector Gunner Aims and fires a Steam Projector. 120x Steam Projector Spotter Aids the gunner of a Steam Projector to find targets. 600x Water System Engineer Operates and maintains a water system and the piping. 12x Weatherman Operates an Weather Station. 30x Whisperer Sends and receives messages with a Whispering Brazier. 880x Wyvern Engineer Maintains and loads a Wyvern. 120x Wyvern Engineer Maintains and loads a Wyvern. 440x Wyvern Pilot Pilots a Wyvern in combat. 60x Wyvern Pilot Pilots a Wyvern in combat. -
Material
Steel 342,716.38 metric tons Lead 43,779.42 metric tons Mercury 307,200.00 metric tons Mythral 0.58 metric tons
EnchantmentEnchantment Cost
(can be discounted, requieres crafting time)2,201,148.94 IM Ritual Cost
(no discounts, no time needed)1,159,000.00 IM Total 3,360,148.94 IM
Is this meant to be the heart of our planar battle fleet (ala an SW ISD or US Carrier), or is this meant to be a one off flag ship?
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- Germany
It's akin to a US carrier. It's also about the size of a Nimitz class carrier, except with way more armor and armaments.