I'm not sure. Personally I think that whole thing is moving waaay too fast. Ideally it'd happen like a year down the line after Westeros is fully pacified. If we do it now or in the next few months then that entire war gets a hell of a lot hotter and we have to divert our attention there.Hmm, we also need to finish the City of Brass thing. When is the full invasion supposed to happen?
Sadly, unlike the date for the start of Reconquest, it cannot be retconned on basis of "we changed the system by which we run the quest".I'm not sure. Personally I think that whole thing is moving waaay too fast. Ideally it'd happen like a year down the line after Westeros is fully pacified. If we do it now or in the next few months then that entire war gets a hell of a lot hotter and we have to divert our attention there.
Things like that have been changed before, dude. If things shift story-wise or system-wise, DP has altered the details of past bargains to account for it.Sadly, unlike the date for the start of Reconquest, it cannot be retconned on basis of "we changed the system by which we run the quest".
The deadline given to us by the Shaitan Spymaster expires in the 2nd/3rd month of this year, IIRC.
Bottom line, we might really want to have ourselves ready to raid the CoB's mint for Living Brass by the 3rd/4th.
That includes the super-fortress prepared for the ritual, too.
While I agree, I also can't help but see that as "setting bending in favor of players for OOC reasons".Things like that have been changed before, dude. If things shift story-wise or system-wise, DP has altered the details of past bargains to account for it.
In this case, the narrative diversion of starting another major war in the middle of conquering and pacifying Westeros would definitely qualify given the havoc it would play with the pacing. It's up to DP in the end, but I really don't see him being deaf to the arguments here.
This is one of those times where it just makes sense for the story not to push through on old plans. In regards to the narrative there's just too much going on for us to properly devote our full attention to this, and while this is a quest it's not just a quest, it's also a story. If following through on old plans seriously fucks with the narrative -- like this definitely would -- then that's something that needs to be carefully considered. There are too many things going on right now, and if we're spread that thin none of them will be covered in a satisfying way.While I agree, I also can't help but see that as "setting bending in favor of players for OOC reasons".
Sure, maybe there could be thought up some IC reasons for this, whatever...
But if we don't get into this tight situation, which, well, we brought upon ourselves. Entirely IC.
It'll feel... bad, plainly speaking, if we won't have to deal with it now.
When we have to handle Golden Company and Illithids in quick succession before going to Westeros (or they'll fuck us up) it makes just as much sense as us having to operate on the tight timeline the spymaster gave us.
So yeah, I'm conflicted about this. :/
I think we should just be able to extend the deadline until the fortress is built with the most robust wards. That'd be a feasible IC explanation.I would prefer to push back the attack on the City of Brass if at all possible. There is so much other shit going on, that even another six months could be immensely helpful in strengthening our position in regards to our other enemies.
The time line for the raid was originally given to us by the Shaitan. There is no telling which events might occur to change their desired schedule, and there is always the option to simply back out, though I would like to avoid that necessity.
Tests of Faith, Trials of Rule
Second Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC
From the outside the old temple of R'hllor appeared no different from dozens of others scattered throughout the old Gilded Quarter, crumbling and empty, just another fading scar of the plague. But if one dared to cross the old iron fence and walk among the willows weeping tears of green besides the too-still pool as indeed dared the trio of visitors who made their way upon the path with evening's growing shadows one might notice something strange.
The ruins did not wear as one might expect the careless hand of time to do so, nor yet the paths so overgrown as to mislead one's steps. Someone had been caring for this place, though not in a way any mortal hand might. Passing under the arch of the temple into the prayer hall beyond Hermetia had expected to see the six-armed woman draped in precious silks, her eyes as bright as coals. What she had not expected to see was the comparatively far more commonplace figure of a red-robed priest sitting on one of the benches and speaking in a low voice. He looked young but very earnest and far less anxious to find himself in the company of a fiend, four fiends counting her escort, but unlike the mistress of this place the black armored warriors did not look it.
"Hail Beatific One and Sage of Swords," she called out formally in the tongue of Hell. She was still working on her vocabulary, but she had gotten most of the formal greetings down well enough to use. After all, she was a great deal more likely to use Infernal in introductions and greetings than to ask for the nearest lavatory. Unless something went terribly wrong at least, the young sorceress did not want to imagine the prospect of asking for a lavatory in Hell.
"And Hail onto thee Keeper of the Pale City," the asura replied in a single voice, one pair of eyes turning to meet hers while the rest remained fixed on the priest. "I shall speak with you presently, once the testing is done..."
Being a curious sort by nature, perhaps more than was entirely wise, Hermetia wanted to ask 'what testing', but that soon became apparent as the fiend proceeded to tempt and prod the young priest with cunning argument and forbidden lore.
Much to her surprise the servant of R'hllor did not waver, meeting argument with argument and temptation with resolve. He even started trying to convert Amala. A daring attempt, she supposed, in the same way it was daring to hunt a tiger with a willow bow.
"Enough," the fiend finally said, though she sounded more amused than frustrated. "You pass, go and tend to the needs of your brothers and sisters in delusion."
"Did you strike some sort of deal with the Red God?" It was a mad notion Hermatia knew, but no madder than the fact that she had two baatezu guards and had taken tea with an alu demon yesterday.
"Yes, he will provide certain boons I desire once I have tested nine hundred and ninety nine of his thralls." Her tone was courteous, but it was clear the asura had no interest in expanding upon what those boons might be.
"I see..." And here I thought my request would seem strange, she thought but did not say. "I came to deliver an invitation to the Kindling Ball three days from now. It is meant to celebrate the varied kindreds that have found themselves at home within the Empire. My thoughts naturally fell upon you, my lady, for there are few beings as unique as you in all the realm."
"How thoughtful of you," three voices spoke as one. "Will there be any duels, any challenges of blood?"
"No, those would not be entirely proper at a ball by local custom," Hermetia replied without batting an eye and rather proud of the fact. "It shall also mark my departure from the city for a while, so I wished it to be memorable."
"A pity. Still, we are curious enough to attend," Amala replied after a moment's thought.
OOC: The reason for the departure is that Hermetia would like to be assigned away from Lys this month, though of course it is up to you guys where you put her.
That's literally the only thing I ever mean whenever I bring up "dealing with them", as I continuously explain.
There was one for settling deep enough spy-network throughout the CoB that we'd be able to attack the Mint though, wasn't there?The time line for the raid was originally given to us by the Shaitan.
I know that's what you meant. My stance on that is I really don't think it'll be as crippling to the Deep Ones as we're hoping it will be. They could just buy minions from their Deep Ones friends in the Celestial Planes or call in reinforcements. We can deal them a heavy blow, but until we do some sort of apocalyptic assault on their cities and wipe them from the face of the earth they're not going down. The Elder Brain would never stand for it.That's literally the only thing I ever mean whenever I bring up "dealing with them", as I continuously explain.
It was always that we don't want to be drowned by the Saguain hordes so we may want to break the facility making them.
I will keep my doubts about moving the date, but whatever, I will not argue either.
He's probably still a bit wary after that one priestess of his ended up going full Void-tainted a few years ago. If he can nip that stuff in the bud early, that would be better for everyone.Oh huh, it's really interesting to see Rh'lorr working with an asura to test his followers. Getting his own Satan/Adversary figure? The questioning and forcing doubt reminds me of Catholic Apologetics and scholarship. Wonder if some of those it breaks will be getting some intervention to reaffirm their faith.
I wish we'd gotten someone like her now. We could have turned her into an Unravelling.He's probably still a bit wary after that one priestess of his ended up going full Void-tainted a few years ago. If he can nip that stuff in the bud early, that would be better for everyone.
Even then, Amala has the raw stats and skills to be likely to convincea decent percentage of priests anyway, so it should work to some degree.I'm skeptical of how well this works as a pruning mechanism. Even with all of the experience and expertise an outsider like that would have, she's still very obviously a six armed being made of two parts blasphemy and one part spite. Temptations are most effective when they start subtle and indirect; a debate like this is essentially ideal conditions for resisting this kind thing.
Occasionally, you are going to see the social combat system here flex back a bit, not only because it was supposed to reflect story had a hold over mechanics, but because you'll have even normal people with enough defining experience with religion, enough to form an opinion of what they believe is true, what they know is true, where the line is drawn and where and how they'll be stepping over it, and finally those rare maximum modifiers to Opinions from the things that has to be true no matter what or it will cause their world view to crumble.Even then, Amala has the raw stats and skills to be likely to convincea decent percentage of priests anyway, so it should work to some degree.
Erynies are a ready-made deal, but should we even bother trying to recruit these guys?
They are good alchemists and I understand we are short on those?The abilities honestly feel much more like something we'd want to chuck into the Flesh-firge, than something to see on a "citizen" of the Empire (that isn't Elaheh at least, and then some).
They are good alchemists and I understand we are short on those?