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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Crake

It's kinda... hard to imagine the rough image of the Dome Temple and Imperial Palace looks like from the outside.
 
Hey @Azel, I like fun with economics. We're spending 2 million on the palace's mundane construction alone (if you can call completely obviating the cost of stonework with magic 'mundane').

But what does that break down into in RL money? How exorbitant are we being compared to some real life emperors and royalty on our palace? Is it restrained? Or realistic given this will likely be GRRM re-dunkulous scale for a man-made structure (albeit admittedly using magic like the ancient First Men also did).
 
Azel said:
Some inspiring images:


Visery: "Nice palace you have."
Noble: :)
Viserys: "A bit small though..."
Noble: :o
Viserys: "It's about the size of one of my banquet halls."
Noble: :oops:
Viserys: "It's called 'The Small Banquet Hall'."
Noble: :cry:
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With exquisite paintings and statues everywhere. 👌
 
Crake said:
Hey @Azel, I like fun with economics. We're spending 2 million on the palace's mundane construction alone (if you can call completely obviating the cost of stonework with magic 'mundane').

But what does that break down into in RL money? How exorbitant are we being compared to some real life emperors and royalty on our palace? Is it restrained? Or realistic given this will likely be GRRM re-dunkulous scale for a man-made structure (albeit admittedly using magic like the ancient First Men also did).
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2 million IM is equal to 10 million D&D gold. That works out to 200,000 pounds of gold.

At today's current value of $1,720.5 per ounce, 200,000 pounds of gold is worth $5,505,600,000.

That's...a lot.
 
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Goldfish said:
2 million IM is equal to 10 million D&D gold. That works out to 200,000 pounds of gold.

At today's current value of $1,720.5 per ounce, 200,000 pounds of gold is worth $5,505,600,000.

That's...a lot.
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Not a lot by comparison.

Forbidden City, China – $69.66 billion+ (£54bn+)

Anyway that's inaccurate @Goldfish, the denominations for this quest completely obviates that system for gold's worth. Don't use SRD weights.

We DO have definite figures for 1 IM's buying power compared to USD, thanks to Azel's earlier economic calculations. Remember that a mere 500 IM is probably worth more than entire small settlements. As in the ground beneath and the air above and everything in between.

Edit: I should add I suppose that part of the above palace's value is based on the value of the land itself. So that figure up there is probably significantly less if you're just factoring the value of the buildings. But still probably a lot.
 
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[X] Crake
Still in favor of earmarking Tywin's corpse for conversion into a curator/tour guide golem for the Hall of Horrors/Trophy Room.
Also still in favor of letting the war start by having BR manipulate Cersei into killing Robert and putting Joffrey on the throne as canon, then announcing our superior claim.
 
Absylon Quilby said:
[X] Crake
Also still in favor of letting the war start by having BR manipulate Cersei into killing Robert and putting Joffrey on the throne as canon, then announcing our superior claim.
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That's pretty much the plan. It absolve us of the need to dirty our hands and erodes pretty much all support if we ensure that she does sloppy job of it, making it pretty patently obvious his death has Lannister written all over it.

Then we swoop in within the hour and take control of the capital, having already subverted almost everyone else there.
 
We had the value of IM fluctuate pretty damn wildly from those earlier assessments, iirc.
These days it's "whatever's more convenient for the plot/backgrouns".

Trying to tie it to any given earlier example will have multiple contradictions before/after the example used.
 
Absylon Quilby said:
Also still in favor of letting the war start by having BR manipulate Cersei into killing Robert and putting Joffrey on the throne as canon, then announcing our superior claim.
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*laughs*

Not only will you cause a Dynastic coup d'état, you wanted to spit on Robert's grave by not giving him the chance of fighting against us physically?
 
egoo said:
We had the value of IM fluctuate pretty damn wildly from those earlier assessments, iirc.
These days it's "whatever's more convenient for the plot/backgrouns".

Trying to tie it to any given earlier example will have multiple contradictions before/after the example used.
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Mm, nope. It was all based off one person's estimates.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
*laughs*

Not only will you cause a Dynastic coup d'état, you wanted to spit on Robert's grave by not giving him the chance of fighting against us physically?
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Even when the "fighting robert" was on the thread's radar, it was largely falling on the "bomb him from Moonchaser's cannons, multiple times"-side of things.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
*laughs*

Not only will you cause a Dynastic coup d'état, you wanted to spit on Robert's grave by not giving him the chance of fighting against us physically?
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Absylon Quilby said:
Actually no, I couldn't care less about Robert's feelings. But this way we don't have to fight Ned Stark, a goal which I hold some sentimental attachment to.
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Yeah, we like Ned, even if we're going to cut his power down considerably. We can work with him.

Not so with Robert. Or with Cersei, or the other leading Lannisters (except Tyrion, perhaps).
 
Absylon Quilby said:
Actually no, I couldn't care less about Robert's feelings. But this way we don't have to fight Ned Stark, a goal which I hold some sentimental attachment to.
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egoo said:
Even when the "fighting robert" was on the thread's radar, it was largely falling on the "bomb him from Moonchaser's cannons, multiple times"-side of things.
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No, no :) I was not criticizing about it. I couldn't care less of what an incompetent human-being and a failure Robert is, honestly.

It's just that, haha, he's so pathethically amusing y'know? Flailing around, poisoning himself with booze and grief, and couldn't even control his own Court. It's like seeing an infant cutting his own limbs, bit by bits with a rusty knife with a noose around his neck.

Comedic, that Robert guy is.
 
The Lannisters House formerly known as such, probably now the Casterlys, even the ones we like, will be very adverse to having much to do with us after we're done with them.

In the sense that they are going to want to keep their heads so far buried, they will be practically in the Underdark. Anything to avoid us coming back over there.
 
I'm still sad we aren't going to raise the rock to the ground.

Can we at least polish it with Dragon fire, and give it a new edgy Targ look of black and... erm, black I guess?
:rolleyes:

Have it be our Black Fortress of Doom, literally, where the Wyverns will have the base of operations.
:V
 
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The idea of converting Casterly Rock into volcanic soil and spreading it across Dorne to make it fertile is actually growing on me. It also removes temptation to rebel from any of the dozens of claimants we'll likely leave alive, seeing as how there will be nothing left to claim.

But we have to empty it out first, or we'll be killing a lot of innocent people.
 
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