Thanks for the rec. I actually read all of it, and have to say that it was hella weird. It alternated between really good and really bad so fast and so often that I got whiplash. I couldn't settle on any sort of rating out of ten, as I'm hesitating between 7/10 and 3/10 every few lines. The author is really good at some things (good take on an anti-hero protagonist, etc), and doesn't give a damn about some others (the pureblood politics making any sense at all, for example, or Ginny making friends with the 2nd-year boys crazily easily as early as first year). And I would have appreciated more warning for the AU elements.
Still, it's nice to see a complete fic every so often!

I appreciate recs, feel free to keep them coming.
I too finished it all yesterday.

What can I say, it made me binge it. Some parts are surprisingly good, some are meh. I assumed the same thing @DragonParadox said: she rehearsed it a lot with Tom at the start, even if I agree it was a tad too easy. That particular bit of social standing serves many purposes, not least of all the author not having to come up with a bunch of OCs when the Slytherin cast are already mostly blank slates, but have brand recognition.

I feel Molly would have actually come around supporting Ginny, if less enthusiastically. I feel she gets flanderized in the end.

You know what would be funny? Arthur Weaskey pulling a big revolver and shooting Voldy in the face while he is beating people black and blue with magic.
 
I too finished it all yesterday.

What can I say, it made me binge it. Some parts are surprisingly good, some are meh. I assumed the same thing @DragonParadox said: she rehearsed it a lot with Tom at the start, even if I agree it was a tad too easy. That particular bit of social standing serves many purposes, not least of all the author not having to come up with a bunch of OCs when the Slytherin cast are already mostly blank slates, but have brand recognition.

I feel Molly would have actually come around supporting Ginny, if less enthusiastically. I feel she gets flanderized in the end.

You know what would be funny? Arthur Weaskey pulling a big revolver and shooting Voldy in the face while he is beating people black and blue with magic.

Does Arthur Weaselly know which end of a revolver the bullets come out of? This may be my own biases but he always struck me as being as contemptuous of non-magical people as Malfoy it's just that in his case it manifests as paternalism 'wizard's burden' if you will rather than malice. The way he talks about Muggle technology is like the way the Victorians talked about whichever non-European culture they found 'quaint' this week.
 
Does Arthur Weaselly know which end of a revolver the bullets come out of? This may be my own biases but he always struck me as being as contemptuous of non-magical people as Malfoy it's just that in his case it manifests as paternalism 'wizard's burden' if you will rather than malice. The way he talks about Muggle technology is like the way the Victorians talked about whichever non-European culture they found 'quaint' this week.
That seems like your bias. To me he always sounded like crocodile dundee when he was talking about animals.but thay may be my bias.

But its not hard to use guns.
 
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Does Arthur Weaselly know which end of a revolver the bullets come out of? This may be my own biases but he always struck me as being as contemptuous of non-magical people as Malfoy it's just that in his case it manifests as paternalism 'wizard's burden' if you will rather than malice. The way he talks about Muggle technology is like the way the Victorians talked about whichever non-European culture they found 'quaint' this week.
I get the impression, but on the other hand, he did a lot of work on that Ford in the third book, but it could still drive.
Can you mess around with a car that much with no idea what you are doing and still have it run well?

Even if he did replace normally working parts with magic stuff, it still functioned the same way as before.
 
Arthur knows basically nothing about Muggle technology or society, and made minimal effort to learn.
Most of the "wizards are very sheltered and know almost nothing about Muggle technology" thing actually comes from Arthur Weasley.

Edit: He can enchant nonmagical items, and regulating that is his job. However he doesn't seem to know how they work, and certainly didn't try to learn.
 
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One of my complaints about that fic is that Gina got way, way too good, too fast.

Having a personal tutor is one thing. Mastering wandless and voiceless magic at 11-12 is another. It's like Tom didn't just get everything he knows from the goddamn Hogwarts library.

Just makes the world feels ridiculously small, and everyone else incredibly incompetent. A thousand years of teaching wizards, small classes and elite professors. Hogwarts should be as good as it gets.

Fortunately, this is usually only a set piece instead of a main point, very little physical conflict in the story.
Does Arthur Weaselly know which end of a revolver the bullets come out of? This may be my own biases but he always struck me as being as contemptuous of non-magical people as Malfoy it's just that in his case it manifests as paternalism 'wizard's burden' if you will rather than malice. The way he talks about Muggle technology is like the way the Victorians talked about whichever non-European culture they found 'quaint' this week.
That's more me being cheeky at Ginny's gripes with her father in that fic.

Your recs have been good DP.
 
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One of my complaints about that fic is that Gina got way, way too good, too fast.

Having a personal tutor is one thing. Mastering wandless and voiceless magic at 11-12 is another. It's like Tom didn't just get everything he knows from the goddamn Hogwarts library.

Just makes the world feels ridiculously small, and everyone else incredibly incompetent. A thousand years of teaching wizards, small classes and elite professors. Hogwarts should be as good as it gets.

To be fair Riddle was casting wandless voiceless magic before he knew what Hogwarts was, as many unfortunate orphans could attest.

Anyway back to writing I go
 
To be fair Riddle was casting wandless voiceless magic before he knew what Hogwarts was, as many unfortunate orphans could attest.

Anyway back to writing I go
Sure, and so does every single wizard child when their magic comes online.

But natural selection made wands crushingly dominant, and that should have seriously good reason behind it.

The simplest explanation is that, while for the odd simple effect you eventually can do wandless even without trying from the sheer repetition of it, anything more complicated than the equivalent of a cantrip is just too bloody hard to be worth the time investment.

Learning to Accio your wand is dead useful, but that's probably about it.

Voiceless for complicated spells is shown as plainly hard, but necessary to be competitive.

I assume voiceless is only taught to advanced students because, well, you need advanced skills to learn it. Otherwise, every spell would be taught voiceless from the start.

In D&D terms, I'd say wandless casting is a class with lost caster levels, while voiceless requires a decent CL to learn.
 
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Well, that is an unfortunate surprise.
One could assume it'll have been coming in but one round, the way it was written in the chapter.

Oh well, pray to RNGesus, everyone!
Nirah is a tough SOB and he'll have plenty of support from us and our air force. We just have to hold on until the Worm shows up. Viserys is better as caster support in this fight, as transforming into a Dragon could go very poorly for us, if the Avatar can Command him. Just to be on the safe side, we need to remain Human and within Dany's Turning range.
 
Nirah is a tough SOB and he'll have plenty of support from us and our air force. We just have to hold on until the Worm shows up. Viserys is better as caster support in this fight, as transforming into a Dragon could go very poorly for us, if the Avatar can Command him. Just to be on the safe side, we need to remain Human and within Dany's Turning range.
Remember the rules for shooting into melee though.
The Moonchaser should focus on other targets once Nirah and Granny are duking it out.
 
Nirah is a tough SOB and he'll have plenty of support from us and our air force. We just have to hold on until the Worm shows up. Viserys is better as caster support in this fight, as transforming into a Dragon could go very poorly for us, if the Avatar can Command him. Just to be on the safe side, we need to remain Human and within Dany's Turning range.
I don't think it'd make much of a difference. Viserys doesn't stop being a dragon if he's in human form, just like he doesn't stop being human if he's in dragonform. He's both at the same time. I doubt if Tiamat wanted to rebuke him she'd be stymied by Viserys currently walking around as a human.

Similarly, this is why enemies making bane weapons for humans and dragons would be a good investment on their part.

EDIT: I really do think we should go Red Dragon Sorcerer King here.
 
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I don't think it'd make much of a difference. Viserys doesn't stop being a dragon if he's in human form, just like he doesn't stop being human if he's in dragonform. He's both at the same time. I doubt if Tiamat wanted to rebuke him she'd be stymied by Viserys currently walking around as a human.

Similarly, this is why enemies making bane weapons for humans and dragons would be a good investment on their part.

EDIT: I really do think we should go Red Dragon Sorcerer King here.
It might not matter, but if she attempts to Command Viserys, the only chance he'll have to resist is for Dany to use a Turning attempt and pray it counters the control, and for that she has to be within 60 feet.

If Viserys gets controlled, Lya is immediately Mazing him. That will prevent everyone from getting SotD'd, but it also removes Viserys from the fight for long enough that things could go very poorly.
 
It might not matter, but if she attempts to Command Viserys, the only chance he'll have to resist is for Dany to use a Turning attempt and pray it counters the control, and for that she has to be within 60 feet.

If Viserys gets controlled, Lya is immediately Mazing him. That will prevent everyone from getting SotD'd, but it also removes Viserys from the fight for long enough that things could go very poorly.
I agree that it would be bad.

I'm saying that human form for Viserys is not the defense that you think it is. He doesn't stop being a dragon just because he's fighting as a man.
 
I'm saying that human form for Viserys is not the defense that you think it is. He doesn't stop being a dragon just because he's fighting as a man.
I think Goldfish is arguing that, in human form, Viserys stays nearer Dany than going red dragon and duking it out in the air (for example).
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Feb 12, 2020 at 9:29 AM, finished with 112 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Plan "Where's the Worm when you need it?"
    -[X] Viserys duplicates a Psychic Asylum spell as a Swift Action. During the following 15 minutes of peace within his own mind while he waits for the effects of Connington's last strike to fade, he formulates the most succinct but still polite message to share with the Kami who contacted him, one which asks only for their aid in blunting the Avatar's power and preventing her from Calling or Summoning additional aid. When the spell ends, he passes the message on to the Kami while Silently casting whatever spell seems most appropriate for the situation, either to attack the Avatar, aid Nirah, etc.
    -[X] A fully buffed Nirah (Divine Power, Righteous Might, Invoke Deity, Ironskin, Shield of Faith, etc) attacks the Avatar of Tiamat to the best of his ability.
    -[X] Lya uses Wild Arcana to target Aegon with a Trap the Soul spell. She speaks his name in the casting to increase the Will save DC to 30. If necessary to protect the group from Tiamat's Avatar, she uses Celerity in addition to Wild Arcana to cast a Wall of Mithral spell or some other defensive spell.
    -[X] Dany uses Alter Fortune to assist Lya, if necessary, and expends her Battlemagic Perception buff to Counterspell any enemy spells as a Free Action. If Aegon isn't capture by Lya, despite her assistance, she targets him with a Lucent Lance spell. Otherwise, she aids Nirah however seems most appropriate; either via an attack spell such as Destruction or Lucent Lance or a support spell such as a Reached Heal.
    -[X] Teana uses Greater Shadow Enchantment to cast a Grand Destiny spell on Nirah if Aegon has been captured, but it not she targets Aegon with a Baleful Shadow Transformation. She uses her Ring of Spell-Battle to Counterspell any enemy spells as an Immediate Action.
    -[X] Sandor moves to engage Aegon, if necessary, otherwise he protects Dany to the best of his ability.
    -[X] Richard interposes himself between Viserys and the Avatar. He designates the Avatar as his Chosen Foe (for his Foe Breaker Ring) as a Free Action and activates his Sudden Block Mythic ability as an Immediate Action if necessary to protect himself or Viserys from it, counter attacks using the free melee attack the ability grants him, retaliates with a Full Attack Action, then uses all three charges from his Belt of Battle to gain another Full Round Action in order to use his Avalanche of Blades maneuver.
 
Part MMMCCCXXXIX: Of Dread Words and Baneful Silence
Of Dread Words and Baneful Silence

Thirteenth Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

The world twists and writhes around you, images of battle and faces of friends fracturing and reforming without rhyme or reason. You cannot fight this way, but no spell you consider could restore what the blow had cast asunder save perhaps a miracle woven of will alone, but you dare not risk that here and now. Nothing but time would mend it... In a flash of insight you see the answer clear as lightning among the haze the world has become, for once not born of elder dreams, but Lya's musings one rainy day staring out over the sea, book in hand. The soul need not experience time as the body does, else all manner of arcane contingencies against death would end only in madness...

So it is that your next spell is not cast upon the looking horror above, not upon Aegon wounded but still deadly, Blackfyre in hand, but upon yourself sliding downwards and inwards, to the depths of your own mind. You are not certain what you had expected when you open your 'eyes' upon the vista constructed from your instinctive notion of 'sanctuary'. Maybe some subtle revelation about yourself and your place in the world? Instead you find yourself in a mental replica of your solar, the desk is still stacked high with parchments

You laugh, nervous energy flowing out of you like water from a broken damn. This place feels strange and disjointed, and not just from the curse you have come here to escape. Those nearest to you are fighting for their lives and here you are, at peace beyond the boundaries of time. The kami are still waiting for an answer, you realize, you might as well take the time to formulate one that would be most fair in their hearing as well as useful in the battle. Glancing down at the stack of parchment you consider poetry...

Ser Richard is standing between you and the enemy... of course he is. Of the kami you ask that they do their best to keep Tiamat from summoning yet more of her brood to her side, the battle in the sky is already perilous enough as is.

In one long exhalation you leave the chamber in your mind and once more find yourself in the midst of battle. You see Nirath wreathed in his god's favor, hissing a word of power in a tongue long dead, a proclamation of doom. No lesser fiend is Tiamat to be bound or banished by it, but the words of Yss will not be lightly forgotten, six heads shake with rage before the deafening echoes of the word.

Blood-red jaws spit out a curse fit to send the champion quaking, cowering back to his lord, but even She of Many Colors still needs to hear herself casting to do so reliably, at least in this guise.

"Perhaps it would have worked better if you were not so in love with the sound of your own voice," Dany calls out scornfully over the sounds of battle.

Alas that not all her magics are so easily undone. As Lya tries to trap Aegon, not in amber but a black diamond of Sothoryos, the white head hisses a single syllable in denial and the spell shatters before it can touch him. Dany's spell, light racing on the heels of the incantation, spills into harmless luminescence over the boy's spell-ward.

Black is the head that turns towards Teana and black as burning coals its gaze: "To ashes fall!"

The sorceress motions abruptly with her against the spell, the ring smoking and burning itself into her flesh with the power needed to counter a godless' will, but Lya's enchantment holds fast, this time at least. Tiamat can work far more spells than such bound enchantments can hope to match.

Taking advantage of the moment's distraction the dark goddess calls out with deceptive softness something one might almost mistake for kindness: "You do not seem to be doing well there, Aegon," The Chosen vanished in a ripple of cerulean light. It would be too much to expect that Sandor's final slash had killed him, though more of his blood stains the temple.

"Where is the boy," you send into the ether, what to others might have been a prayer, knowing the kami have an eye in every flicker of flame.

"Atop one the the lesser dragons," comes the crackling reply and you breathe a sigh of relief. Tiamat was not usually one to see to the safety of her pawns, but you would have hated to be wrong now of all times. She does not know about the Well, about the pacts you have made...

The earth shakes beneath your feet and it is not Tiamat's doing... the Worm is coming, it is near. You will not have to last much longer.

What do you do next?

[] Write in (One more round until the worm arrives)

OOC: You guys are out of easy spell counters, but on the plus side you rolled 2 on the turns to worm arrival, 1 now and Tiamat is deaf (20% Arcane spell failure). Since it was the Champion of another god that dealt it, she cannot just trivially restore it. Of course, Nriah could only do that by using the Crown of the Serpent Lord's 1/day buff, he can't normally match the avatar in spellcasting.
 
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We should send someone to grab F!aegon on an off chance he tries to get away, imo.
Timmie may just cut her losses...
Well, try to anyway, she seems to think we are gunning for F!aegon specifically here, whereas we will settle for her Avatar just as gladly (and even moreso).

Hm.
Good time to tempt her with the Red Dragon Orb once the Worm comes out, to make sure she doesn't pull neither F!Aegon, nor the Avatar, out?
 
Well this is perfectly FUBAR.

We need to grab Aegon so we can put our bedazzled amulet onto him.
 
All spells with verbal components.
Important distinction when fighting something that can no doubt go clerical as well.

True, but as a dragon she casts most of her spells as a sorcerer. She could have incarnated to act more as her own cleric of course, for that matter she could have just taken silent spell and metamagic sorcerer, but it's not like she went into this expecting some bizarre snake begotten by a half-forgotten god to deafen her.
 
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True, but as a dragon she casts most of her spells as a sorcerer. True she could have incarnated to act more as her own cleric, for that matter she could have just taken silent spell and metamagic sorcerer, but it's not like she went into this expecting some bizarre snake begotten by a half-forgotten god to deafen her.
Really, she should have. What is this, amateur hour? Even Viserys expects a giant spider cleric to ambush him in the jungle. :V
 
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