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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I have zero issues with them hating the Fey though. That's not a problem for us, and these Fey are our enemies and are seeking to effectively enslave and mind-control the entire province.

We can establish peace when we invade.
 
DragonParadox said:
The fear and hatred so invoked is unlikely to distinguish between one kind of fey and another.
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I just don't expect this fear to spread across the whole Kingdom though.

IMO we could wipe their memories of the event (using a Cl-boosted Programmed Amnesia, Mindrape (Evil, but can't be dispelled), or maybe a research project with our Memory Moss. Or an Item of Modify Memory, maybe) and then pin it on the Fey like we pinned the murder of the Alchemists on the Celestials.

EDIT : Actually I guess we could do that without remving their memories, if you don't want to use Mindrape. We could jsut pretend that the witch was a Fey of the Court of Stars all along!
 
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[X] Arrange Vonilda's disappearance, give her a new name, a new face, not just a glamor but by fleshcraft that she might start a new life, though under careful supervision by the inquisition to ensure she does not fall back on old habits.
-[X] One of the Mind Dragons will act as her minder and ward her from divination until alternate means of warding her can be acquired.
-[X] Obviously we will be interrogating her more in-depth in a nice and comfortable safe room in a deep sub-level of an Inquisition building. Perfectly normal, we assure.
 
[X] Plan Covering Tracks
-[X] Secretly spirit her away, place her under Mindblank and let Elaheh fix her face in her workshop in SD. Use the time she is knockedout to read her mind. They stay together until a Inquisition minder team can be put together. // Specifying Elaheh here as the only Fleshcrafter doing proper cosmetics.
-[X] Meanwhile the Seeker takes her place for a bit, just to be "exposed" by Rhealla and "driven off" in short fight. Use ghese theatrics to implicate the Court of Stars in having something to do with the impostor, allegedly as part of a plot. // Much cleaner then just disappearing.
 
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[X] Plan Covering Tracks
-[X] Secretly spirit her away, place her under Mindblank and let Elaheh fix her face in her workshop in SD. Use the time she is knockedout to read her mind. They stay together until a Inquisition minder team can be put together. // Specifying Elaheh here as the only Fleshcrafter doing proper cosmetics.
-[X] Meanwhile the Seeker takes her place for a bit, just to be "exposed" by Rhealla and "driven off" in short fight. Use ghese theatrics to implicate the Court of Stars in having something to do with the impostor, allegedly as part of a plot. // Much cleaner then just disappearing.
 
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@Crake, I've just added to trawl her braincase a bit while Elaheh knocks her out for surgery.

Mind. We could have Qyburn leave behind a little failsafe while we are at it.
 
I'm all for getting her out of there and help her, but didn't she break a bunch of our laws about enslaving people with magic?

I agree she has very understabel/just motives, but shouldn't there be some consequences for this.

Or is it enough with a warning of don't do this again?
 
canute said:
I'm all for getting her out of there and help her, but didn't she break a bunch of our laws about enslaving people with magic?

I agree she has very understabel/just motives, but shouldn't there be some consequences for this.

Or is it enough with a warning of don't do this again?
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I'm personally not caring one yota about her, but she is a neat mid-level minion to poach and likely really part of some Fey plot. Since she committed none if these crimes in our realm, we technically have nothing legal against her anyway.

However, the security efforts are mostly to ensure she stays on the straight and narrow. If she tries this shit in SD, she dangles in the breeze.
 
canute said:
I'm all for getting her out of there and help her, but didn't she break a bunch of our laws about enslaving people with magic?

I agree she has very understabel/just motives, but shouldn't there be some consequences for this.

Or is it enough with a warning of don't do this again?
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The Reach isn't technically our realm yet, so we aren't obligated to prosecute her under our laws.
 
Azel said:
However, the security efforts are mostly to ensure she stays on the straight and narrow. If she tries this shit in SD, she dangles in the breeze.
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Well, she will have learned that using magic solved her problems, first by enchanting her family and then by getting rescued by Viserys' mother. Will be interesting what she does next time she faces a problem, like, not getting the attention she wants.

[X] Azel
 
canute said:
I'm all for getting her out of there and help her, but didn't she break a bunch of our laws about enslaving people with magic?

I agree she has very understabel/just motives, but shouldn't there be some consequences for this.

Or is it enough with a warning of don't do this again?
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Technically she could not break any imperial laws as she was not on imperial territory, though that does not say anything for the morality of her actions or lack thereof.
 
DragonParadox said:
Oh I see, you are right she's been a touch under-exposed. I'll see if I can get and interlude in to do her justice rather than answering in a few lines OOC.
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Thank you, on the other side I spent a few hours looking and couldn't find an answer to this. What exactly went down between Lyanna, and Rhaegar?

Obviously after dying she is completely pissed at our family, does that mean she was kidnapped from the word go, or did she try to leave when she heard about her brother, and father and it stopped being a fucking game to her? Or is it something completely different?
 
DragonParadox said:
Technically she could not break any imperial laws as she was not on imperial territory, though that does not say anything for the morality of her actions or lack thereof.
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At the end of the day we found her motives understandable and we have some inclination at all to believe that with punishment and rule of law hanging over her head and the understanding that she's not more skilled than us at covering shit up, with none of the incentives to continue as before, she could be reformed. That she's useful to us is something we agreed not to shy away from admitting. She explicitly is.

All we care about at the end of the day is that we come out in the right. We're wrong if we try something and it fails, but if it works and it helps, it isn't wrong, no matter what Lucan or Danelle or Lanna or really anyone else with magic and an opinion says.
 
lancelot said:
Thank you, on the other side I spent a few hours looking and couldn't find an answer to this. What exactly went down between Lyanna, and Rhaegar?

Obviously after dying she is completely pissed at our family, does that mean she was kidnapped from the word go, or did she try to leave when she heard about her brother, and father and it stopped being a fucking game to her? Or is it something completely different?
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The latter. She went willingly in the begining because she was a sixteen year old girl and he was very charming and a prince. Howver when news reached them of Brandon's arrest Lyanna wanted to go to KL to plead for clemency, but Rhaegar had other ideas. He still wanted his prophecized child. Lyanna was kept in the Tower of Joy against her will and raped.

TotallyNotEvil said:
@DragonParadox Out of curiosity, did she confirm he would treat her like a salt wife if she were to wed him? Or did she just confirm he did the deed back in Pyke?
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Just what he did back in the Iron Isles.
 
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DragonParadox said:
sixteen year old girl
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Worse. She died a sixteen year old. She absconded at fifteen.

In ASOIAF that might not seem like much... but he was married, had two kids, and was already in his twenties.

Edit: Also, it's really no wonder Lyanna gets triggered when she sees Viserys... considering how people say he looks like a shorter (and more smarmy) Rhaegar.
 
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