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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
Templates are a mechanical element that exists to create variation within a type of enemy without designing an entirely different stat block. If it does not have a tat block there isn't much point to giving it a template.

No comment on shapeshifter polio. :V
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But do germs actually not have a stat block, or have they just not have had their stat blocks calculated yet?

If they don't have a stat block, then are germs the ultimate beings in your D&D universe? After all if it has stats we can kill it, that implies we can't kill things with no stats, so if germs don't have stats, are they invulnerable?
 
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DragonParadox said:
Hmm... not a lot of interest. Is something unclear or just general lack of enthusiasm for random encounters?
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I'm always happy for more Yi-Ti stuff. Some of the best world building of the quest has happened there, IMO.

Y'all just might not see much of me today, because I'm exhausted. Was at the hospital with my grandmother until after 4 AM this morning and I'm running on about 2 hours of sleep.
 
tarrangar said:
But do germs actually not have a stat block, or have they just not have had their stat blocks calculated yet?

If they don't have a stat block, then are germs the ultimate beings in your D&D universe? After all if it has stats we can kill it, that implies we can't kill things with no stats, so if germs don't have stats, are they invulnerable?
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Technically you guys have killed plenty of things with no stats, the way that goes is usually is 'yep that's a low level warrior of some kind and now he's dead'.
 
tarrangar said:
But do germs actually not have a stat block, or have they just not have had their stat blocks calculated yet?

If they don't have a stat block, then are germs the ultimate beings in your D&D universe? After all if it has stats we can kill it, that implies we can't kill things with no stats, so if germs don't have stats, are they invulnerable?
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Well if you squint Viruses do technically count as something like Undead or Constructs. Maybe both.
 
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And I have too much homework left to hand in before the upcoming end of Semester to rant/argue/plan about stuff right now.
Also, sleepy.
 
DragonParadox said:
Technically you guys have killed plenty of things with no stats, the way that goes is usually is 'yep that's a low level warrior of some kind and now he's dead'.
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We have killed plenty of things that haven't been statted, we haven't killed things that can't be statted, there's a difference between those 2 things, you could stat those low level warriors, it's something entirely different if you can't stat something, if germs are merely unstatted as opposed to unstatable, then they can have templates, you just need to stat them first.
 
@DragonParadox. Im a little confused about the two latest updates. Why are the gates open to traders if the city is under siege? have the Golden Company not arrived in front of the wall yet, how can they besiege the city then?

[x]Goldfish
 
tarrangar said:
We have killed plenty of things that haven't been statted, we haven't killed things that can't be statted, there's a difference between those 2 things, you could stat those low level warriors, it's something entirely different if you can't stat something, if germs are merely unstatted as opposed to unstatable, then they can have templates, you just need to stat them first.
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That's kind of the point I was making in a roundabout joke-y way like low level warriors viruses exist narratively and do not need templates to serve the purpose in the story.
 
DragonParadox said:
That's kind of the point I was making in a roundabout joke-y way like low level warriors viruses exist narratively and do not need templates to serve the purpose in the story.
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But low level warriors might randomly gain templates due to magic, so by that logic germs might randomly end up gaining templates too, so the Dire-measles might end up becoming a thing.
 
tarrangar said:
But low level warriors might randomly gain templates due to magic, so by that logic germs might randomly end up gaining templates too, so the Dire-measles might end up becoming a thing.
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Germs aren't started in D&D for the sake of sanity. Instead, they have an infection vector, an effect, and a saving throw DC necessary to resist and/or overcome infection.

It would be straight up ridiculous to stat up individual germs and apply templates to them.
 
It's just not statistically relevant to track.

For all the talk about spreadsheets around here, we as players do that to ourselves. DP doesn't tend to subject himself to it, nor do we mean to impose it upon him. If we stopped managing the sheets for example, I'm pretty sure he would just stop looking at them and start making moves towards abstraction.
 
Goldfish said:
Germs aren't started in D&D for the sake of sanity. Instead, they have an infection vector, an effect, and a saving throw DC necessary to resist and/or overcome infection.

It would be straight up ridiculous to stat up individual germs and apply templates to them.
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Crake said:
It's just not statistically relevant to track.

For all the talk about spreadsheets around here, we as players do that to ourselves. DP doesn't tend to subject himself to it, nor do we mean to impose it upon him. If we stopped managing the sheets for example, I'm pretty sure he would just stop looking at them and start making moves towards abstraction.
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Ok I get it I took the joke too far, sorry I just find the idea of Dire-Measles hilarious(so long as they aren't in the same multiverse as I am.)
 
tarrangar said:
But low level warriors might randomly gain templates due to magic, so by that logic germs might randomly end up gaining templates too, so the Dire-measles might end up becoming a thing.
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True illnesses might mutate by magic, but it would not look like a template because there would be no need for it.

For instance this is what a pathfinder disease looks like:

Bog Rot
Type disease, contact; Save Fortitude DC 16

Onset 1 day; Frequency 1/day

Effect 1d6 Str, Dex, Con, or Cha (determine randomly using 1d4) damage; Cure –

Creatures afflicted with bog rot do not heal naturally and gain only one-half benefit from magical healing until the disease is cured. Unlike normal diseases, bog rot continues until the victim reaches Constitution 0 (and dies) or receives a remove disease spell or similar magic. The save DC is Charisma-based.

If it suddenly starts causing twice as much damage that is a mutation, maybe caused by magic, but it's not a template for the germs

Crake said:
It's just not statistically relevant to track.

For all the talk about spreadsheets around here, we as players do that to ourselves. DP doesn't tend to subject himself to it, nor do we mean to impose it upon him. If we stopped managing the sheets for example, I'm pretty sure he would just stop looking at them and start making moves towards abstraction.
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Pretty much though with the caveat that things would get a lot less coherent when it comes to the economy. The spreadsheets are very helpful when world-building with that sort of thing
 
egoo said:
Alright, fair enough, thanks.

@everyone (@Goldfish, @Crake, @Duesal, @TalonofAnathrax, @Deliste specifically) please take a look over these types of Fiends and let me know if there's any point in trying to flip them (for whatever purpose, long as there's one):
21 Tripurasura, 8 Vayuphak, 9 Aghasura, 1 Hishandura.

Personally, again, I'd rather spend all of them to empower Well of Eternity, but I won't mind trying to get some to our side if they can operate sensibly within the system we set up.

Nighty-night y'all, imma nap now.
[X] Goldfish
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I'd like to see if the Hishandura can be flipped.
 
Duesal said:
I'd like to see if the Hishandura can be flipped.
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Assholes much?
Of all asuras, hishanduras are among the most likely to lash out at strangers or purposefully prey on mortals. Despite this violence, they harbor a remarkable sympathy for divine avengers and scapegoats, considering every relationship between a mortal and the divine a tragedy waiting to happen.

A hishandura's body hums with destructive passion. This reflection of the original hishandura's divine mandate drives these asuras to slaughter living creatures, destroy beautiful works, and listen for the piteous cries for mercy from the fearful and faithful alike.

Hishanduras distrust any beings placed above others, and distance themselves from asura ranas, whom they see as hypocrites.
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But, alright, I'll add a note to talk to it before throwing it to Old Gods.
I doubt it'll serve us, ever be trustworthy/loyal, or operate well with our Empire - but we can try, and easily scry/die if it starts fucking around.
 
[X] Goldfish

Ah, I'm suddenly super relaxed now. @egoo, what did you want me to do with the Scholarum sheets again? Recommend Braavosi magic teachers, right? I'd suggest Bards, Druids, and ideally a Duskblade or two for fluff reasons (it's not ideal, but fluff>powergaming sometimes). Do we have Duskblade templates?
 
egoo said:
Assholes much?
But, alright, I'll add a note to talk to it before throwing it to Old Gods.
I doubt it'll serve us, ever be trustworthy/loyal, or operate well with our Empire - but we can try, and easily scry/die if it starts fucking around.
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I mainly care about the usefulness. If it could swear to obey our laws and bow to us there shouldn't be problems with it. It can satisfy its cravings by buying and destroying art or something.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
[X] Goldfish

Ah, I'm suddenly super relaxed now. @egoo, what did you want me to do with the Scholarum sheets again? Recommend Braavosi magic teachers, right? I'd suggest Bards, Druids, and ideally a Duskblade or two for fluff reasons (it's not ideal, but fluff>powergaming sometimes). Do we have Duskblade templates?
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We have Wizard, Cleric, Sorcerer and Druid-creature templates class-wise, iirc.
No Duskblade and no Bard (most sadly).
Most any plant-related are avaliable, as well as lots of draconic ones.

I suppose we could get something like Bards if we throw lots of Phoenixes at the problem...

Thanks for the heads-up.
Duesal said:
It can satisfy its cravings by buying and destroying art or something.
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The imagery is highly amusing.
 
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@egoo
Maybe a few Vayuphak would be nice.
Good flyers, can teleport and Dispel, reasonably tough and smart.
Object Reading is useful for investigators, the other abilties are good in a fight.

I'D say they make decent agent for the Inquisition, if we can get them. No big deal if not though.
 
Honestly I see no reason for them. Just seems like a security risk for little reward. They have no basis for anything like a pact. Complete mercenaries and would stay such even if they swear to us.

And I dont trust us to be able to make a better deal than Asmodeus when it comes to their tastes.
 
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