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What ever happened to the Fye we got at White Harbor?
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Simply being a mage means you are part of the Scholarum, it doesn't exclude other organizations from existing, it's just asserting the fact that everyone is obligate to the governing strictures underneath the umbrella of the realm's internal structure.
I cannot stress that part enough, the point isn't to force people away from organizing under lines which make the most sense for the general objectives or goals that they seek to advance, it just makes it impractical for secretive cabals which hoard their knowledge or resources from ever forming.
There is absolutely no reason to advocate for this. It decentralizes without actually achieving any of the touted benefits, because we already obtain those benefits under the current system. The Scholarum is even specifically mentioned as less of a guild, and more a broad term which purposefully draws the mind's eye to think of it whether a person is working in some economic job, whether they're researcher, or in the military.
While it is true that sub-divisions and factions will form along logical lines, as we will see evolve in our various organizations, because everyone is effected to equal degrees by the Charter's Articles, there's a common background between each and everyone. Just as the straight forward hierarchy, whereby the very head of each organization reports directly to Viserys and forms his cabinet, so in turn might one mage think "I serve the Crown" as easily as he does "I serve >my immediate superior<".
And it so far removes Mage-Priests from our direct authority that we can move them around to accomplish a lot merely by shifting general policy over time rather than specifically ordering them around, since they aren't competing for paychecks or research grants, but are given incentive by complying with the law so that their God's influence can continue to reach throughout the realm rather than be stymied by bureaucrats.
I cannot stress that part enough, the point isn't to force people away from organizing under lines which make the most sense for the general objectives or goals that they seek to advance, it just makes it impractical for secretive cabals which hoard their knowledge or resources from ever forming.
There is absolutely no reason to advocate for this. It decentralizes without actually achieving any of the touted benefits, because we already obtain those benefits under the current system. The Scholarum is even specifically mentioned as less of a guild, and more a broad term which purposefully draws the mind's eye to think of it whether a person is working in some economic job, whether they're researcher, or in the military.
While it is true that sub-divisions and factions will form along logical lines, as we will see evolve in our various organizations, because everyone is effected to equal degrees by the Charter's Articles, there's a common background between each and everyone. Just as the straight forward hierarchy, whereby the very head of each organization reports directly to Viserys and forms his cabinet, so in turn might one mage think "I serve the Crown" as easily as he does "I serve >my immediate superior<".
And it so far removes Mage-Priests from our direct authority that we can move them around to accomplish a lot merely by shifting general policy over time rather than specifically ordering them around, since they aren't competing for paychecks or research grants, but are given incentive by complying with the law so that their God's influence can continue to reach throughout the realm rather than be stymied by bureaucrats.
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Lya skinned them and turned them into ghost speaking drums.
[X] Crake
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Yup, perhaps I should have worded that differently, I meant the ability to call on all members of scholairm against empires threats. Plus the lore sharing is extremely important. From a purely future potianl viewpoint its better to have factions and other organisations within the Scholarum umbrella anyways as it promotes different ways of magic and explores other ways of training.
Do you guys think the creatures we kill and send off to reconstruct themselves in the planes every check to see what we're doing with the parts we steal? They should notice since the direct effects on them range from power loss to permanent maiming.
kind of makes me wonder if they get insulted when we use their bits and pieces for something petty or against their nature.
Especially things like that Vrock who has spent about as much time as miracle grow as he has a demon.
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The Vrock isn't even a Vrock anymore. He was demoted into a Succubi. Now he's probably even lower.Do you guys think the creatures we kill and send off to reconstruct themselves in the planes every check to see what we're doing with the parts we steal? They should notice since the direct effects on them range from power loss to permanent maiming.
kind of makes me wonder if they get insulted when we use their bits and pieces for something petty or against their nature.
Especially things like that Vrock who has spent about as much time as miracle grow as he has a demon.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Haven't had a bad guy or gribbly villainously monologue at us in the middle of a fight in a while... I almost kinda miss it.
Plenty of "you fool!" and "welcome to your utter doom!" being thrown out there, but no villainous break-down with gratuitous "explain all my plans" in evidence.
Plenty of "you fool!" and "welcome to your utter doom!" being thrown out there, but no villainous break-down with gratuitous "explain all my plans" in evidence.
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I'm hoping either the Efreeti fight or duking it with Tiamat will have that.
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- United States
An unfortunate case of natural selection at work.
Anyone who does this gives their enemies a free shot at them and probably dies.
To be fair, we've fairly publicly demonstrated what happens to people who try that. You can only feed so many ranting cultists and raving madmen to hungry gods in front of the (hesitantly) cheering masses before they pick up on how bad an idea monologuing is.
We should keep track of how long it takes to take so much power that the old gods can't actually eat him any more. Then we can keep him in a special little cage to take out for fiendish negotiations.
Sure, they might not fear violence, but " I'll reduce millennia of work to nothing and you to something just a hair above an imp" would be a whole other thing. I imagine regressing is something of a phobia for devils and demons, after having experienced the abuse their weaker forms got from both ends.
Who says only the devils get to play mind games?
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Ah, unconventional intimidation.We should keep track of how long it takes to take so much power that the old gods can't actually eat him any more. Then we can keep him in a special little cage to take out for fiendish negotiations.
Sure, they might not fear violence, but " I'll reduce millennia of work to nothing and you to something just a hair above an imp" would be a whole other thing. I imagine regressing is something of a phobia for devils and demons, after having experienced the abuse their weaker forms got from both ends.
Who says only the devils' get to play mind games?
Reminds me of an idea the thread had to intimidate Valaena's Cornugon Chain by having it watch us break weapons in front of a Heart Tree.
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[X] Crake
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
@Crake, @Deliste.
I just joked around with the "Lightning the fake tree" for Stormy.
Yet, I'm still of the opinion we should replace the real one with the fake.
The sooner we do it, the sooner we can start dealing with Stormy.
The sooner we pump him with energy - the sooner he'll make a useful ally against illithid/Winter. Ergo, I think we should start asap.
The tree isn't an "active" one, and OGs don't take worship from prayers anyway, so it really shouldn't be a problem for Yss, or OGs themselves.
I just joked around with the "Lightning the fake tree" for Stormy.
Yet, I'm still of the opinion we should replace the real one with the fake.
The sooner we do it, the sooner we can start dealing with Stormy.
The sooner we pump him with energy - the sooner he'll make a useful ally against illithid/Winter. Ergo, I think we should start asap.
The tree isn't an "active" one, and OGs don't take worship from prayers anyway, so it really shouldn't be a problem for Yss, or OGs themselves.
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More to the point I highly doubt there are Old Gods worshippers going to the castle at Storm's End to begin with. The area overall is very much Seven territory.
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Just because they don't accept prayer doesn't mean people don't seek out a tree as a holy place, we've seen people seek supernatural shelter beneath the branches. The same people you are actively trying to deceive. Too bad I guess if an Old Gods believer tries that here huh?
Furthermore if people believe it to have any importance then the logical reasoning for Yss' stance is still the issue.
It's the opportunity for Devils and other miscreants to present themselves as God's that they are not because there's no real divine presence there to punish them for misrepresenting themselves in a place of power.
There is a reason we agreed with Yss on Trios and things like this is part of it, this shares all the same risks.
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Then permanence an effect that will give the tree a metaphysical protection, Circle against Evil, or something.
Sure, Diamond dust would be an insane expidenture for (imo) pointless task, but if you are so worried about a minuscule chance of tree being needed for such - sure, we can make that fake tree be a defense agaisnt supernatural.
We straight up cannot just steal the tree and leave nothing behind.
It would fuck with out efforts in Stormlands so much it isn't even funny.
We need a fake there if we are to start working with Stormy.
And as I outlined my reasoning before, I think we should strive to get started on him asap.
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I haven't seen anybody actually outline how this is a problem for our efforts in the Stormlands.
What exactly do you think people are going to assume?
Because we stole Robert's favourite Inn and nobody thinks he was in on that, if we steal the Tree why on earth would anyone think we had permission to do so?
And if they think we did it without permission what's the issue? Is it somehow ruining our reputation?
I genuinely have zero understanding of why there needs to be a fake.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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You'd have to ask @Crake for better context, but from what I got basically?
Draw much unneeded attention to Stannis.
Everything related to Heart Trees is considered "Targaryen Activity" in Westeros at this point.
We turned Stannis. And some more Stormlanders.
Lannisters no doubt divined the fact - but they won't have any proof worth paying kingly attention to, for Baratheon.
(Divination results apparently don't even count in Westeros to check. Morons.)
A Heart Tree straight up disappearing from their ancestral castle? Now that will.
Pressure on Stannis - "How didn't you stop the Sragonspawn?!", and increased attention to Stormlands for a bit of time would majorly fuck with further Lord-turning plans, iirc.
We want to keep as light a touch with him as we can, from what I got, too.
Being quick and efficient with solving any problems, etc..
Opening him to scrutiny from the Crown/Lannisters surely doesn't count?
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Followers of OGs angery at Stormlanders, majorly so - and actively defying the Storm God once he comes to power there, remembering the Treesplosion.
And those won't just be limited to the Lords we already looted, adding unnecessary steps to handle angery North-people
Tldr: much more politicking for no good reason, making a problem where we can avoid making one.
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Yes everything Heart Tree is Targaryen activity, not Stannis activity.
If Lannisters know that, which is still an if, they still won't have any proof as this is an antagonistic act against Storm's End.
There is no logical basis in assuming Stannis wanted this.
Which brings us to
"Why didn't you stop him"...Robert asks that of every vassal every day that we still draw breath, Stannis is already copping that nonsense because we control the Narrow sea.
Increased scrutiny is a really weak catch all argument with again no logical basis for it given that our reputation for Heart Tree shenanigans will so overshadow every other association that the geography of the act will be a footnote.
Stannis is already open to scrutiny from the Lannisters because he's a barrier to their ascension, every living Baratheon is even for those Lannisters who are not aware of the incest it still behooves them to have their niece and nephews have only Lannisters as surviving family to ensure the dynasty leans Lion instead of Stag.
This still seems a problem made up to be solved.
You can't fake destruction because we want the opposite perception for our gods, that they work together willingly for the good of the Empire, and that Imperial citizens can freely worship amongst the Imperial Pantheon, rather than the infighting either/or decision that would be supported by a supposed smiting.
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Well it does not have to be a lightning strike, that was just an example. We can just set fire to some trees near it and make it look like an accident. Completely unrelated to gods. There is no way in hell anyone can blame strom god for a random fire.
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No but they can blame Seven worshippers, especially if a particularly stupid one tries to claim credit for the act to get the support of other Seven worshippers.
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I wonder how well known it has become that Weirwoods are fireproof now?
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