A note here, unlike gods like R'hllor or the seven Bahamut like Tiamat is a primordial being, he does not derive his power from worship, though it certainly helps, so he would not be in as dire straights as say Yss when you found him or he Storm God.

Power is one thing purpose is another. He is the God of Metallic Dragons without Metallic Dragons. Another words he is meaningless and useless. What power he has can't be used for fear of Tiamat killing him. At this point he might as well be dead for all the good he is doing and he knows it.
 
In other news here are the Steel Banners, they come out as 20 IM/guarded legionary as opposed to the standard PfE amulet of 400 IM so 20 times cheaper, but without the save and AC bonuses. Already edited to the relevant update here.

Steel Banners

Description: Wrought not of wood but spellsteel adorned not with simple cloth but the scales of Sothoryi painted-lizards who it was said knew no fear of man or beast, painted black with the same humble oils that darkened a legionaries' armor and also inked in red with the blood willingly given from a thousand palms that had drawn steel in service of the Dragon.

Ability: Immunity from possession and compulsion as Protection from Evil (no Save or AC bonuses) for a full company that marches under the banner (1024 Legionaries)

Cost: 15 lbs. of Valyrian Steel and 20480 IM
 
Hm. Fourteen Banners per Legion. Well, we're definitely going to keep making them, but it seems like the front liners will be getting them first. Meaning PfE Circles to cycle companies through to disperse possession and enchantment effects will still be used in abundance for a while.

This also serves as a nice proof of concept that applying Communal PfE to our air ships is cost effective.
 
Hm. Fourteen Banners per Legion. Well, we're definitely going to keep making them, but it seems like the front liners will be getting them first. Meaning PfE Circles to cycle companies through to disperse possession and enchantment effects will still be used in abundance for a while.

This also serves as a nice proof of concept that applying Communal PfE to our air ships is cost effective.
The only problem with these, is that only we can craft them, so it's another project we can't offload onto extraplanar halpers.

Like Wyverns, Moonchasers, Heralds, and anything beyond CL15.

Prioritising gon' be a mess.

It is surprisingly potent though, for it's price.
No hard range-limitations either, which is really nice.

We might want to have a full survivability package ready for banner-carriers though, and each banner Hardened by Viserys personally, for maximum Hardness (as per CL, which is significantly larger than the Hardening Chamber).
 
I'm not seeing how Lindorms wouldn't be categorised as that too, a dumber dragon that is.
Well for one thing Lindorms don't seek gold, they merely guard and grow it if given any, Linnorms are dumber dragons, Lindorms are snakes that turn your greed against itself, as at first you see your fortune grow, while also getting an ever stronger guardian for it, but then the guardian inevitably become so vicious, that you can't access your fortune either.

Actually Lindorms would work really well as a creation of Mammon, a snake that first appeal to your greed, but quickly turn said greed sour.
 
...I just realized what @Crake is trying to do. You're trying a Dutch East India Company expy, aren't you?

Or...

Amazon?!

OMG, Baedon is Jeff Bezos!

[X] Crake
 
The Spice of Magic Part III
Fourteenth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC
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Narrow Sea, Stepstones, approaching the harbor of Sorcerer's Deep

Baelon stood proudly at the bow of his ship, peering through a Far-eye that had been granted some aspect of visual enhancement by Airborn enchanters. The sights further ahead were monumentally terrifying and exhilarating all at once, for ahead of the fleet was a structure... no, a tree, a tower of bone white, crowned by blazing leaves of red. The single tallest thing that Baelon had ever gazed upon in his entire life, and he had seen the grandest cities, one of which would swallow up smaller ones several times over and have room for more inhabitants.

A flutter of wind blew across the top all at once and up rose a dragon of living moss and wood, churning earth and solid stone, the shape of the foliage across its vast body mimicking hundreds of bristling scales. Then it disappeared, sharp horns sprouting from its head and swept backward, and they were flying toward the other side of the island in moments. Shortly followed a swarm of shapes, a flash of red, then white and blue and finally green. What are those? Baelon wondered. They glinted ever so peculiarly.

They were soon blocked from further observation by a cloud of birds disturbed from their rest upon the eaves of the Great Tree on the Isle of Sorcerers, no doubt leaving feathers that would go on to grace many a hat or adorn fine garments.

The island had completely changed, more times than Baelon could honestly count in the past couple of years since King Viserys had forged it into his jewel amidst the waves. Stand after stand after stand of trees sprouted where once there had been barren rock without a hint of green, one might find rare woods from across the world here, bothered naught by distance from their place of origin and watered by gentle rains. Mist rose from numerous waterfalls which fell from the greater heights above, furthering the air of mystery and wonder.

Stoneways and accompanying verdant green hillsides, lying in neat rows, mountainous terrain cut into productive farmland through stone-shaping sorcery, the same sorcery which linked the island to the mainland via a series of titanic bridges, battered by waves yet undaunted, such was the magnitude of their construction.

And the ships! Ships everywhere, sails on the horizon, to either side, traffic funneling in and out of the harbor ahead with frantic energy. Millions in coin and goods passing through these lands every month, more wealth each day than the last. Men could prospect amid hills of gold for a lifetime and die of exhaustion before they might match such fortunes.

And of the men who lived there, fortune indeed was in evidence, for each had a roof of stone above their head, masterfully crafted furniture of fine timbers, well-stocked pantries and warmed by a blazing hearth, gorgeous views through crystalline and clear windows fit to make a craftsman tear their hair out of their own heads, and the streets were clean and industrious, wide boulevards and roads, careful city-planning making of it an incredibly organized chaos. Inwardly, Baelon wondered what new expansions he would see as he walked through the streets of Sorcerer's Deep, what buildings would be there that had not been present before, what uncanny sights he would stumble upon?

One might walk from one end of the city to the next each and every day and see something new, it was said, through the gardens that plant spirits tended, amid the buildings with their pleasant top-level pathways and covered with botany, each flowering vine adorning the side of a building almost tasteful in its arrangement, the intent of the lightest touch of magic upon the most inconsequential part of the city almost uncanny if it weren't so idyllic.

And married to that natural beauty was a people who lived by the commonality that they were all driven from distant lands to seek safety, wealth or their own fate, whatever it may be that brought them together, they would all agree in the end that if you grew bored while in that City of Growing Wonders, you were tired of life itself.

"I will live among that splendor, a Prince among Princes," Baelon vowed, slipping away his seeing-device. "It is my destiny."

And each moment the intrepid Prince did move with a frantic energy about him, not merely chasing the next great score, but dreaming grand dreams indeed, dreams of wealth secondary, for in his mind the respect hard earned from delving into the far-off places of the world which other men dared not venture, returning triumphant where others had died, was the sweetest treasure of all.

Some had called it an addiction, even folly.

Baelon called it a challenge he was set forth upon the world to meet.

***​

The 'embassy', if it could be named such, for it did not recall the stately abodes of grand artistry he had seen before which the Stoneborn and Air-Driven had set upon the Capital, nor even the buildings put aside for foreign entities in advance of what had once been the beating heart of the city, that which is constantly pushed back by newer districts where trade was flourishing. Business was booming all over, of course, but Baelon saw that same energy among new immigrants there that he himself possessed, though he did not mean to remain overlong.

The building was built of strange geometries, not quite alike with that of the Temple of the Great Serpent, but deliberately open to the air and sky, allowing in some of the elements and with standing stones carved with alien iconography that would send shivers up the spines of lesser men, as indeed its sole inhabitant might. The twin heads of the great mage-lord before him watched with uncanny coordination, and one might stop speaking just as swiftly as the other began, two as one acting in perfect sync.

"What bargain offered?" They asked directly and succinct, contrary to his initial impression the thought-voice was not sibilant but of perfectly neutral diction, almost too ordinary that one might sooner believe them to be their own errant thoughts, were they not guided by an unmistakably cold and focused great intelligence.

"One with which both our peoples might mutually prosper."

"Upon which scale measured?" Eyes unblinking, the albino serpent-being weighed a black rod in one hand, though the gesture was anything but unconscious. This was a powerful sorcerer lord who had crossed an ocean, distance not their greatest concern, no, but time, Baelon thought, time and the welfare of their people.

A thousand calculations flew through Baelon's head each moment, but he never lost track of his courteous smile for even a single one. He swiftly searched for an appropriate answer and arrived at an acceptable one heartbeats later. "One by which even King Viserys would weight his, in gold and treasures, in word and deed. Look merely to the trades I have made in Astral Currents, to my company's publicly traded stock, it will be apparent to all that word is true, and you will know I have always delivered promptly and within the bounds of each agreement brokered thus."

"Fairly said," the voice replied, four red eyes boring into his own before their head performed an odd dip, "I shall do so." They meant it as a dismissal, Baelon realized a moment later, and he bowed quickly.

Though he couldn't help but ask... "When shall we meet again?"

"I will come to you," the other head replied, craning its long neck to gaze back at him even as the other kept its gaze forward, the strange being sweeping away as if on some urgent business. Perhaps it was, who could say what drove on sorcerers and wizards, much less walking, talking snakes? "Do not go far," the other head added, before turning back swiftly, sweeping around to look at his manservant, who bore the scrutiny with grace.

"Of course," he called, clearing his throat the moment he believed them to be departed.

"Did it go well, Young Lord?" His companion asked, offering him a wine-skin. Baelon took a long drink, noting it had been filled with lemon-water rather than something stronger. He eyed his old friend with a put-upon expression, somewhat amused by the choice and the question.

"As well as could be expected. I would not say he is untrusting... say on rather that he looks for the truth as the world presents it, not as silver tongues might wish to present facts in the most pleasing of ways." He did not take offense to it as some might. In fact, he would have found it profoundly more disconcerting if the mage had taken the time to divine the truth ahead of time as some might have, to display their power and knowledge, and merely played through the conversation as a matter of formality.

Whatever you could say of the mage who had left, they did not believe in wasting their time with tiresome games such as that, nor did they apparently believe in wasting spells or rituals for something which might be easily confirmed with one's own eyes.

"Then you find your pending negotiations with them to be promising?" Agreppo asked, curious.

"Gods willing. Let us make our other arrangements in the interim," Baelon answered, eyes sharp as he considered the negotiations ahead, already adding and subtracting sums in his mind's eye. "We have much to do and little time to do it in."

Let none say he could not follow a worthy example set before him.
And it'll be even better when you return from your expedition, Baelon! :cool:
"Fairly said," the voice replied, four red eyes boring into his own before their head performed an odd dip, "I shall do so." They meant it as a dismissal, Baelon realized a moment later, and he bowed quickly.
I know it wasn't meant to be humorous, but this line got a good laugh out of me. Telepathic Two-Headed Snake Sorcerer don't play no games, Baelon.

He's looking to hire Serpentfolk guides and guards, right? Vrath might be available. A well geared 8th level Serpentfolk Hexblade would be a good addition to the venture, I think. There are five 5th level Serpentfolk Rangers living in SD which could also be very helpful.
 
Reality warping on a colossal scale. If R'hllor got enough worshippers he was going to somehow force the hundreds if not thousands of different enemies into a single box of "Other" which I guess would limit them somehow?
More he was going to force him into the box of equal and opposite, which would either mean a lessening of them, or a increase to his power, either way it would restore balance between good and evil, because if the Narrative of existence become Rh'llor VS the Other, then the narrative, become one of good and evil being matched in an eternal battle neither can win, which is much better than the current situation, where evil is winning and winning hard.
 
In other news here are the Steel Banners, they come out as 20 IM/guarded legionary as opposed to the standard PfE amulet of 400 IM so 20 times cheaper, but without the save and AC bonuses. Already edited to the relevant update here.

Steel Banners

Description: Wrought not of wood but spellsteel adorned not with simple cloth but the scales of Sothoryi painted-lizards who it was said knew no fear of man or beast, painted black with the same humble oils that darkened a legionaries' armor and also inked in red with the blood willingly given from a thousand palms that had drawn steel in service of the Dragon.

Ability: Immunity from possession and compulsion as Protection from Evil (no Save or AC bonuses) for a full company that marches under the banner (1024 Legionaries)

Cost: 15 lbs. of Valyrian Steel and 20480 IM
Ah, very nice. 20,480 IM isn't cheap by any means, but it's still really nice for the effect provided.
Hm. Fourteen Banners per Legion. Well, we're definitely going to keep making them, but it seems like the front liners will be getting them first. Meaning PfE Circles to cycle companies through to disperse possession and enchantment effects will still be used in abundance for a while.

This also serves as a nice proof of concept that applying Communal PfE to our air ships is cost effective.
We should only need 12 per Legion to give full coverage, with several hundreds spaces left over for additional camp followers and other tag alongs.

It's going to take a long time to get all Legions properly equipped with these, though the investment will be well worth it in the long run. With all of our other projects, I don't see us being able to produce more than two or three of them per month, and that's going to pushing it. If we can outsource these as commissioned items, that would be very helpful. Is that possible, @DragonParadox? If we share the secret of their production with our Shaitan and Djinni allies?

The question is whether we should try to equip each Legion fully before moving on to the next, or supply one such banner to each Legion, then two, then three, and so on. I think we should try to supply them evenly, that way each Legion will be able to field a significant number of men against threats which might employ Mind-Affecting effects.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 14, 2019 at 5:38 AM, finished with 148 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] "So if I should fail, your plan will remain in place. Perhaps me for a martyr to light that final pyre and transcend what was and what could yet be."
    -[X] Contrary to your expectations, this is not you speaking out in anger, but understanding. If things had fallen so far by then, you would hope to spite the Void, Asmodeus or whatever had heralded the destruction of your ambitions and hopes, even if it's upon the back of R'hllor the Red's pitiless march against the dying of light.
    -[X] There is much you do not agree with R'hllor upon, most evident in the false equivalence he weighs the freeing of slaves and measuring the merit of their loyalty upon the balance of the same blade, duty. Such mental arithmetic conducted is no less like that which Asmodeus performs when comparing unmoored soulfire against living and breathing mortals, and then deems them one and the same, fuel for a war without end and personal vanity.
    -[X] And through seeking freedom upon twisted paths you ever shall walk in the company of others who have made the same choice, not freedom without worry or concern, but the ability to choose and the ability to reconsider. Better perhaps to say that you advocate agency rather than ambition without end, or you would not strive against becoming a god yourself.
    -[X] And let it be said, you do not intend to fail.
    -[X] "Let's make sure that won't be necessary, shall we?"
    -[X] "I and a collective of other deities gather in common purpose, to place She of Many Colors in a compromising position, one with which a mighty blow could be dealt to Her, their plans sent tumbling, out of the picture for as long as it takes for them to lick their wounds. If we should be so lucky, let it be another age. For myself, I would settle for a mere century. She will not have the time to regain that lost ground, while we will far beyond the horizon, as this is the pivot upon which the future shall tilt."
    -[X] You explain the essentials of the plan if not the details so he can better empower the foci of the trap.
    -[X] If he agrees, you have some questions he might be able to answer, though you aren't expecting him to share everything or really anything. What he does will inform you of what he wants you to concern yourself with.
 
Power is one thing purpose is another. He is the God of Metallic Dragons without Metallic Dragons. Another words he is meaningless and useless. What power he has can't be used for fear of Tiamat killing him. At this point he might as well be dead for all the good he is doing and he knows it.
Bahamut don't fit into our empire, he could make an useful ally, if we helped him restore Metallic dragons outside our empire, but his values are too different and inflexible from ours, to have him as a god of the empire.

I still believe making Metallic dragons for him would be a good idea, but that's because we could get some serious payment for that, Bahamut would probably be ready to give us multiple divine artifacts for that(probably 1 for each color of Metallic we restore) but we wouldn't want his church to settle in our empire.

If we can make Metallics that don't start as Wyrmlings in the Flesh Forge, then I would advocate making a few Young Adults of each color, then sending them to Nirvana, that plane need all the help it can get, we are unlikely to ever conquer it, and the Metallics would believe fully in the cause.

With us planning to substantially weaken Tiamat soon, Bahamut would also need to dedicate less power to countering her, which mean that if we set Metallics lose on Nirvana, Bahamut will be able to dedicate a lot of resources to keeping them alive, getting extra help in Nirvana, would mean the Gith will have the resources, to help us with our Illithid problem more, so if we get access to the material we need to make Metallics, I think we should do it, as by choosing where to settle the new Metallics, we can guide Bahamuts wrath towards our enemies.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 14, 2019 at 5:38 AM, finished with 148 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] "So if I should fail, your plan will remain in place. Perhaps me for a martyr to light that final pyre and transcend what was and what could yet be."
    -[X] Contrary to your expectations, this is not you speaking out in anger, but understanding. If things had fallen so far by then, you would hope to spite the Void, Asmodeus or whatever had heralded the destruction of your ambitions and hopes, even if it's upon the back of R'hllor the Red's pitiless march against the dying of light.
    -[X] There is much you do not agree with R'hllor upon, most evident in the false equivalence he weighs the freeing of slaves and measuring the merit of their loyalty upon the balance of the same blade, duty. Such mental arithmetic conducted is no less like that which Asmodeus performs when comparing unmoored soulfire against living and breathing mortals, and then deems them one and the same, fuel for a war without end and personal vanity.
    -[X] And through seeking freedom upon twisted paths you ever shall walk in the company of others who have made the same choice, not freedom without worry or concern, but the ability to choose and the ability to reconsider. Better perhaps to say that you advocate agency rather than ambition without end, or you would not strive against becoming a god yourself.
    -[X] And let it be said, you do not intend to fail.
    -[X] "Let's make sure that won't be necessary, shall we?"
    -[X] "I and a collective of other deities gather in common purpose, to place She of Many Colors in a compromising position, one with which a mighty blow could be dealt to Her, their plans sent tumbling, out of the picture for as long as it takes for them to lick their wounds. If we should be so lucky, let it be another age. For myself, I would settle for a mere century. She will not have the time to regain that lost ground, while we will far beyond the horizon, as this is the pivot upon which the future shall tilt."
    -[X] You explain the essentials of the plan if not the details so he can better empower the foci of the trap.
    -[X] If he agrees, you have some questions he might be able to answer, though you aren't expecting him to share everything or really anything. What he does will inform you of what he wants you to concern yourself with.
 
Part MMMCCXXX: A Covenant Forged
A Covenant Forged

Elsewhere Elsewhen

"So if I should fail, your plan will remain in place. Perhaps for me to be a martyr to light that final pyre and transcend what was and what could yet be." The words are bitter as hemlock upon the tongue yet they are not spoken in anger, but understanding. If things had fallen so far by then, you would hope to spite the Void, Asmodeus or whatever had heralded the destruction of your ambitions and hopes, even if it's upon the back of R'hllor the Red's pitiless march against the dying of light.

You stare into the unwavering reflections of flame upon the extinguished brass candelabra above, wondering what more there is to say. There is much you do not agree with R'hllor upon, most evident in the false equivalence he weighs the freeing of slaves and measuring the merit of their loyalty upon the balance of the same blade, duty. Such mental arithmetic conducted is no less like that which Asmodeus performs when comparing unmoored soulfire against living and breathing mortals, and then deems them one and the same, fuel for a war without end and personal vanity. Could you even change the mind of a god?

A pity your companions are not here, you could do with Dany's wisdom in the dealings of gods, Lya's knowledge of fire and soul forging or Ser Richard's custom of cutting through tangles as good as steel cuts through a stubborn knot. That you realize more then the gulf of ages and the transmutations of the spirit between man and god separates you from the One sitting before you. Through your search you ever shall walk in the company of others who have made the same choice, not freedom without worry or concern, but the ability to choose and the ability to reconsider. Better perhaps to say that you advocate agency rather than ambition without end, or you would not strive against becoming a god yourself. "Let us then ensure it will not be necessary, shall we?" you say simply, a vow within and without.

The Red God nods solemnly and you can see the fire in his eyes flicker in deeper understanding. "Let it be so, I will not send my word in rebuke to those who see me as one god of many, but neither will I do so to those who see me as one alone and so preserve my plan should this hope prove as bitter as those that had come before."

There is no law against being mistaken, but the thought of turmoil and tribulation when both sides know their prayers answered does not sit well with you.

Thankfully you are not alone in noticing the peril. "I will guard that my children do not raise their hand in wrath against another over this... divide," the thought of such existing in the bosom of his faithful obviously does not sit well with the Red God, but he is committed to his path however painful hope might be to entertain.

Seeing the peace of your realm assured from that quarter you continue to the request you had made to so many other powers: "I and a gathering of like-minded powers propose to snare She of Many Colors by guile joined and strength woven together, and thereby strike a mighty blow to Her, thus might the Dragon Queen's plans be sent tumbling and sent howling from the world in agony of spirit and pride. If we should be so lucky, let it be another age. For myself, I would settle for a mere century. She will not have the time to regain that lost ground, while we will far beyond the horizon, as this is the pivot upon which the future shall tilt."

Once more R'hllor listens thoughtfully before agreeing, though with an unexpected caveat. "I cannot simply lay the blessing upon this talisman with mine own hand and will, for my fire would burn all other marks made upon it. Bring it to She of the Bleeding Star, for hers is a mind deft in subtle weaving as her faith is strong."

You are so surprised at the admission of limitation that it takes you a moment to realize he means Melisandre. "There are a few questions I would ask of you then, the better to face our common foes."

He begins to nod, then stops abruptly, his gaze shifting to a point above your head, eyes gleaming gold like tunnels into the heart of the sun. "We have been noticed, but there is still a brief span of time before we can no longer speak without being overheard. Three questions only can I answer now."

You wonder what power grows close, but do not wish to waste a question upon it and so you say as if to empty aid. "Woe onto the world that so many horrors gather to work their will upon them."

A smile flickers briefly upon the face of the long dead mage. "None more pestiferous insistent than those of Hell," the god proclaims, certainly not an answer for you had asked no question. It seems you had guessed the limitations of the approach in a place without true time alright, though you would not want to test it on anything more substantive.

What questions to you ask (max 3)?

[] Write in

OOC: This is not Bloodraven's cave you are meeting in so I rolled to see if anyone would notice and try to overhear, and the roll was low so you only get three questions.
 
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Alright, first:
FFFFucking Devils.
Second:
@DragonParadox, the only danger, for now, is being overheard, yes? No direct confrontation with some Archfiend incoming (yet) after the 3rd question?

[X] Ask about the first Long Night and the Great Other.
[X] Ask about the legend of Azor Ahai, Nissa Nissa, and Lightbringer.
[X] Ask about the secrets of the Void, what lore of the Void can he share with us, that we may better prepare.


These of the Duesal's questions I think we can get the most mileage out of.
 
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Alright, first:
FFFFucking Devils.
Second:
@DragonParadox, the only danger, for now, is being overheard, yes? No direct confrontation with some Archfiend incoming (yet) after the 3rd question?

[X] Ask about the first Long Night and the Great Other.
[X] Ask about the legend of Azor Ahai, Nissa Nissa, and Lightbringer.
[X] Ask about the secrets of the Void, what lore of the Void can he share with us, that we may better prepare.


These of the Duesal's questions I think we can get the most mileage out of.

Yes, only being overheard, you are in the company of a major god. R'hllor blasts good, but that would only make things even more noticeable so he can't just do that and then answer more questions.
 
Yes, only being overheard, you are in the company of a major god.
Aww :(

From what Viserys can judge, if we ask some questions (on top of the 3) that aren't a secret to either him or the Devils - but we don't know through sheer ages they were past - would R'hlor be likely to answer?
 
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By the way, it must seem really weird how literally every major prophecy we come over, takes Dany into account - either as a part, or the main figure - but not us.
I wonder how Viserys feels about the fact :V

(Since, you know, he doesn't have the OOC-knowledge of the series).
 
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