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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
Not yet no, then again not many people put Sothosi plants in their mouths, maybe you will have more luck with Elaheh Marita on the job :V

Good night guys, see you tomorrow with growing crystals and a look in on the Golden Company intrigues.
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If we discover coffee in Sothoryos, we would probably have better luck convincing people to drink the the stuff by telling them it is cultivated in Hell rather than being honest.
 
What's the rate of riverlands conversion? Because man would it be embarrassing if when Robert calls his banners a whole region just flips him the bird because we took the time to meet with almost all of them and get their fealty in person.
 
ryuan said:
What's the rate of riverlands conversion? Because man would it be embarrassing if when Robert calls his banners a whole region just flips him the bird because we took the time to meet with almost all of them and get their fealty in person.
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There will be no bigger slap in the face than the fact that Stannis is ours.
 
Side note everyone, do we intend to force all Westerosi to dug up all the bodies from massive graveyards/ancient crypts, once we take over?

I personally don't particularly care about sending them to the Fleshforge, unlike... some. Simple burning would do much to assure reasonable paranoia, here.

I just think we need to start preparing for Long Night this way, and we'd have our hands full with secreted barrows alone, before any "thousands have fallen in these fields and were buried nearby"-kind of bullshit.
Nor the "this crypt is Ancestral, whine-whine, over 2 centuries old, whine-whine!". Thise would just get some Elite undead into the fray.


I'm just not sure in how we'd enforce that notion.

Breaking it out would be fairly simple during the meeting with all the Lords @Crake mentioned- having them debriefed on supernatural but makes sense.

How to even find all mass-graves?
Divination?
 
egoo said:
Side note everyone, do we intend to force all Westerosi to dug up all the bodies from massive graveyards/ancient crypts, once we take over?

I personally don't particularly care about sending them to the Fleshforge, unlike... some. Simple burning would do much to assure reasonable paranoia, here.

I just think we need to start preparing for Long Night this way, and we'd have our hands full with secreted barrows alone, before any "thousands have fallen in these fields and were buried nearby"-kind of bullshit.
Nor the "this crypt is Ancestral, whine-whine, over 2 centuries old, whine-whine!". Thise would just get some Elite undead into the fray.


I'm just not sure in how we'd enforce that notion.

Breaking it out would be fairly simple during the meeting with all the Lords @Crake mentioned- having them debriefed on supernatural but makes sense.

How to even find all mass-graves?
Divination?
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Sanctifying all big burial sites would probably be easier in a lot of ways.
 
egoo said:
Side note everyone, do we intend to force all Westerosi to dug up all the bodies from massive graveyards/ancient crypts, once we take over?

I personally don't particularly care about sending them to the Fleshforge, unlike... some. Simple burning would do much to assure reasonable paranoia, here.

I just think we need to start preparing for Long Night this way, and we'd have our hands full with secreted barrows alone, before any "thousands have fallen in these fields and were buried nearby"-kind of bullshit.
Nor the "this crypt is Ancestral, whine-whine, over 2 centuries old, whine-whine!". Thise would just get some Elite undead into the fray.


I'm just not sure in how we'd enforce that notion.

Breaking it out would be fairly simple during the meeting with all the Lords @Crake mentioned- having them debriefed on supernatural but makes sense.

How to even find all mass-graves?
Divination?
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Yeah, there should be a continent-wide corpse burning spree once we consolidate power in Westeros. It will be a significant logistic undertaking, but in the bright side the run production industry should experience a nice boost.
 
Duesal said:
That's a fair point. Corpse burning it is.
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All the Westerosi levies that would have been raised against us if we hadn't made such an effort at subtle diplomacy can instead be organized into work crews, then sent out to dig up grave sites and cremate the dead.
 
Goldfish said:
All the Westerosi levies that would have been raised against us if we hadn't made such an effort at subtle diplomacy can instead be organized into work crews, then sent out to dig up grave sites and cremate the dead.
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All bets are off if we do that, while killing everyone eventually is still possible over time, using those buried bodies was definitely the Others' plan to speed up the initial process until enough peasants and soldiers were being killed to make their murder machine self sustaining.

We should assign Heralds and other defenders to protect the work crews because they will try using assets to strategically scare the peasants with all burnable assets south of the Wall to stop us.
 
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Crake said:
All bets are off if we do that, while killing everyone eventually is still possible over time, using those buried bodies was definitely the Others' plan to speed up the initial process until enough peasants and soldiers were being killed to make their murder machine self sustaining.

We should assign Heralds and other defenders to protect the work crews because they will try using assets to strategically scare the peasants with all burnable assets south of the Wall to stop us.
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This is obvious going to follow a Great Council post Conquest where all governors and loyal lords are given an accounting of the various preternatural threats, where they are, how they work, and how to fight them alongside institutions of the Imperium like the Inquisition, the Legion, and the Scholarum.

Granted, we will probably want to have a big magical morale booster beforehand so that they don't go insane over this, but it's definitely something that needs to happen if we want a chance of effectively pushing the darkness back throughout the Realm.
 
Duesal said:
This is obvious going to follow a Great Council post Conquest where all governors and loyal lords are given an accounting of the various preternatural threats, where they are, how they work, and how to fight them alongside institutions of the Imperium like the Inquisition, the Legion, and the Scholarum.

Granted, we will probably want to have a big magical morale booster beforehand so that they don't go insane over this, but it's definitely something that needs to happen if we want a chance of effectively pushing the darkness back throughout the Realm.
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Granted we're not going to call it a Great Council, but I get your point.

I was thinking of calling it the Summer Summit?
 
You are definitely underestimating the practical difficulties of complete cremation, peeps. Bone is really hard to burn. Even modern facilities with absurd temperatures have them only calcify about an hour in. Should you glance at past rituals of this sort, wood flame affects them almost not at all; Bones were afterwards washed (wine or anointing oils) and placed in urns while yet perfectly solid.

That's not mentioning the process of finding fuel which could be turned to other things, what all this smoke would do to overall health and the very obvious/visible note of a 'foreign ruler meddling'.

Could we not gather such up and Gate them to fleshforges instead? Much more efficient.
 
Yeah, I dont really think we even can find all the bodies for everyone who dies in the 7-8 millenia in Westros since the last war.

Honestly I'd just plop Weirwoods near the most important ones and call it a day. We gotta protect those anyway and I'm pretty sure than was the functioning godswoods.

Anything other than the fancy crypts in places usually made by Bran the Builder and bodies over a couple centuries old are probably mulch. Any mummified ones are probably up already if they are ever gonna get up.

I'd say stick to proper Fungus forging of the remains in great battle sites. Dead were usually buried on site and are the most likely to be raised. Probably would not even cause much of a fuss, they are there because nobody cared to give a proper burial. A couple millenia of mass graves is already a monumental effort to clean up.
 
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Crake said:
Granted we're not going to call it a Great Council, but I get your point.

I was thinking of calling it the Summer Summit?
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Doesn't really matter to me what you call it. Summer Summit would work if you'd like to push for that name.
Nickan said:
You are definitely underestimating the practical difficulties of complete cremation, peeps. Bone is really hard to burn. Even modern facilities with absurd temperatures have them only calcify about an hour in. Should you glance at past rituals of this sort, wood flame affects them almost not at all; Bones were afterwards washed (wine or anointing oils) and placed in urns while yet perfectly solid.

That's not mentioning the process of finding fuel which could be turned to other things, what all this smoke would do to overall health and the very obvious/visible note of a 'foreign ruler meddling'.

Could we not gather such up and Gate them to fleshforges instead? Much more efficient.
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Magic solves our problems pretty handily. The issue is more going to be gathering the corpses. Once they're in a nice pile some dragonflame or Viserys' own flames will reduce everything to ash.
 
Nickan said:
You are definitely underestimating the practical difficulties of complete cremation, peeps. Bone is really hard to burn. Even modern facilities with absurd temperatures have them only calcify about an hour in. Should you glance at past rituals of this sort, wood flame affects them almost not at all; Bones were afterwards washed (wine or anointed oils) and placed in urns while yet perfectly solid.

That's not mentioning the process of finding fuel which could be turned to other things, what all this smoke would do to overall health and the very obvious/visible note of a 'foreign ruler meddling'.

Could we not gather such up and Gate them to fleshforges instead? Much more efficient.
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Fire is purifying, especially against the Others who are so elementally opposed to it. Burned bones shouldn't be usable by the Others.

Of course, we could just create large mobile crematorium wagons with Permanent Wall of Fire enchantments for the work crews to use. That would be affordable for us and assure the complete destruction of the remains.

Or the Heralds accompanying the work crews can lend their Fire-related abilities to help out.
 
Abhishek M said:
Yeah, I dont really think we even can find all the bodies for everyone who dies in the 7-8 millenia in Westros since the last war.

Honestly I'd just plop Weirwoods near the most important ones and call it a day. We gotta protect those anyway and I'm pretty sure than was the functioning godswoods.

Anything other than the fancy crypts in places usually made by Bran the Builder and bodies over a couple centuries old are probably mulch. Any mummified ones are probably up already if they are ever gonna get up.

I'd say stick to proper Fungus forging of the remains in great battle sites. Dead were usually buried on site and are the most likely to be raised. Probably would not even cause much of a fuss, they are there because nobody cared to give a proper burial. A couple millenia of mass graves is already a monumental effort to clean up.
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Obviously we couldn't possibly find every corpse that has been buried in the last 8000 years, but we can handle the largest concentrations, the cemetaries, barrows, forgotten battlefields, and so on. There is significantly less effort involved in burning a corpse than there is defeating a Wight in combat.
 
Excavating the remains--no real obstacle. We have industrial tools more effective than modern tractors.

The peasants are there to gather what we dig up.

And the Heralds can breathe fire on pyres 24/7.

Smoke pollution an issue? There's probably a spell for that. @Deliste? @Goldfish?
 
Goldfish said:
Obviously we couldn't possibly find every corpse that has been buried in the last 8000 years, but we can handle the largest concentrations, the cemetaries, barrows, forgotten battlefields, and so on. There is significantly less effort involved in burning a corpse than there is defeating a Wight in combat.
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I'm pretty sure Bloodraven has been keeping tabs on all the biggest concentrations of corpses. We can just ask him for the intel and save ourselves most of the work.
Crake said:
Excavating the remains--no real obstacle. We have industrial tools more effective than modern tractors.

The peasants are there to gather what we dig up.

And the Heralds can breathe fire on pyres 24/7.

Smoke pollution an issue? There's probably a spell for that. @Deliste? @Goldfish?
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I don't think smoke pollution will be a big issue here.
 
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Crake said:
Excavating the remains--no real obstacle. We have industrial tools more effective than modern tractors.

The peasants are there to gather what we dig up.

And the Heralds can breathe fire on pyres 24/7.

Smoke pollution an issue? There's probably a spell for that. @Deliste? @Goldfish?
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The smoke would be a non-issue. Planetos' atmosphere is basically pristine. The smoke from all of the Westerosi pyres combined wouldn't come close to equaling even one large forest fire or volcanic eruption.
 
Goldfish said:
Obviously we couldn't possibly find every corpse that has been buried in the last 8000 years, but we can handle the largest concentrations, the cemetaries, barrows, forgotten battlefields, and so on. There is significantly less effort involved in burning a corpse than there is defeating a Wight in combat.
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Most ancient battlefields don't contain any corpses. It takes highly specific conditions to preserve a skeleton for more than half a century. If the Others are capable of drawing corpses from such locations then they're literally conjuring them into existence. We'd need to purify the land wholesale, not just dig up long forgotten graves.
 
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