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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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"Your life is at my hand, mortals. And I could flick it with but a thought!"

"...no."

"'No'? What makes you think that you are in any position to make demands, little wyrm. I will be freed, else I shal—"

"You... will take nothing of me."

"Wha—"

"You will make no demands of me. You will fall, your flames be aught but ember, your glory shall be torn apart, your kingdoms toppled, broken, and hollow, and your Queen shall attain a pain so legendary that her screams shall echo forevermore.

"No, you will do nothing, Candle of the False Flame. For I am your death, and your time has end."
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Ahh so recreating of the Frost Breath Weapon is a research project I want. For no reason than to just fuck this guy up.
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Capturing a Frost Dragon for experimentation has been on my bucketlist for a very long time now. I really, really want that Breathweapon.

Of course we need a way to bait the Others into sending one down while it's still summer. I am not looking forward to fighting these things in Winter.
 
@DragonParadox, an interlude for now, I suppose?
The making of a plan and voting for it may take some time.

Duesal said:
Capturing a Frost Dragon for experimentation has been on my bucketlist for a very long time now. I really, really want that Breathweapon.

Of course we need a way to bait the Others into sending one down while it's still summer. I am not looking forward to fighting these things in Winter.
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You don't think we can manage this if we feed the Heart to Yss, with some fair bit of sacrifices on top?
Yss' True Death effect is already close-ish to it, Others are just really through about what they do.
 
egoo said:
@DragonParadox, an interlude for now, I suppose?
The making of a plan and voting for it may take some time.


You don't think we can manage this if we feed the Heart to Yss, with some fair bit of sacrifices on top?
Yss' True Death effect is already close-ish to it, Others are just really through about what they do.
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I think tossing this particular Heart to Yss is a pretty big waste, personally. It's going to be a very long time before we get another Frost Dragon this helpless, so I'd rather poke and prod as much as possible first.
 
Duesal said:
I think tossing this particular Heart to Yss is a pretty big waste, personally. It's going to be a very long time before we get another Frost Dragon this helpless, so I'd rather poke and prod as much as possible first.
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We've pretty much poked at it to a point, though.
We were given a requirment "a White Dragon or someone with one's blood" to wield it without corruption... albeit, one assumes, with some struggle and willsaves for best abilities.

It's... unlikely we'll find one, and it'll be even longer before we'll get a chance to capture someone of White brood to un-corrupt.
Assuming we'd want to, of course, since Whites are... less than stellar.

If we can strike at Ymeri's own legend by erasing her Herald with it?
I say, sacrifice the Heart.
Djinn got all they could outta it.

But of course, let's first concentrate on actually grabbing the fuck.
 
egoo said:
We've pretty much poked at it to a point, though.
We were given a requirment "a White Dragon or someone with one's blood" to wield it without corruption... albeit, one assumes, with some struggle and willsaves for best abilities.

It's... unlikely we'll find one, and it'll be even longer before we'll get a chance to capture someone of White brood to un-corrupt.
Assuming we'd want to, of course, since Whites are... less than stellar.

If we can strike at Ymeri's own legend by erasing her Herald with it?
I say, sacrifice the Heart.
Djinn got all they could outta it.

But of course, let's first concentrate on actually grabbing the fuck.
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Even as is the Heart is still a very potent weapon we could be using against the Efreeti. I'm against sacrificing it out of hand. Besides, we could research the Heart itself specifically to study the Oblivion breathweapon. Also, remember that Yss doesn't eat artifacts, he only eats creatures. We'd have to capture a Frost Dragon alive and intact if we wanted to feed one to him.
 
Duesal said:
Can we sufficiently taunt it by saying even at the heart of its power it doesn't dare face us?
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Something like...

[] "You, the supposedly mighty Herald of Ymeri, have become...a house? I could almost laugh, if your existence had not become quite so pathetic."

I wonder how it would like Rina to cast a Fell Drain Blizzard spell inside of it?
 
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Goldfish said:
I wonder how it would like Rina to cast a Fell Drain Blizzard spell inside of it?
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...That's going to be one hell of an explosive indigestion.
Please do.
};V
Duesal said:
Even as is the Heart is still a very potent weapon we could be using against the Efreeti.
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A lot of people were decidedly agaisnt applying it in the final storming in fear of hurting innocents with side-effects it brings - and we won't be able to skip those unless we have a W!Dragon wielding it.
And I just don't think we'd ever trust a moron such as Whites are, even if we somehow find one.

And making one would need exotic components whioch are jsut as rare as Frost Dragons themselves.
Duesal said:
Besides, we could research the Heart itself specifically to study the Oblivion breathweapon.
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@DragonParadox, is that possible?

@Duesal, I'll support the notion if that is possible, but otherwise, I think we can fire it off at least once with Yss' help.

I'm just stuck on how much damage to Ymeri's court a complete erasure of her Herald's would do.
One does not pass up chances like that.
 
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egoo said:
A lot of people were decidedly agaisnt applying it in the final storming in fear of hurting innocents with side-effects it brings - and we won't be able to skip those unless we have a W!Dragon wielding it.
And I just don't think we'd ever trust a moron such as Whites are, even if we somehow find one.

And making one would need exotic components whioch are jsut as rare as Frost Dragons themselves.
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Fimbulwinter isn't the only thing on the heart, dude. It's perfectly feasible to use it as a weapon without spamming the highest spell on there.
 
Actually, I think we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. My knee jerk reaction is, of course, to jump straight to utter destruction, but that might just free N'gath.

How about this, as a tactic to learn more and maybe make N'gath think his ruse is bearing some fruit.

[X] Have Varys Telepathically instruct Rina to ask the Herald what must be done to free it? After she asks, Viserys will act angered that she would even think to bargain with the Herald, hoping to convince it that the group might be turned against itself by N'gath's attempted manipulation.
 
Goldfish said:
Actually, I think we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves. My knee jerk reaction is, of course, to jump straight to utter destruction, but that might just free N'gath.

How about this, as a tactic to learn more and maybe make N'gath think his ruse is bearing some fruit.

[X] Have Varys Telepathically instruct Rina to ask the Herald what must be done to free it? After she asks, Viserys will act angered that she would even think to bargain with the Herald, hoping to convince it that the group might be turned against itself by N'gath's attempted manipulation.
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Rina's bluff is much lower than Viserys'. The best defense against a Sense Motive check in this case would be to not draw attention to yourself, and you know, luckily, have an attention hog like Viserys there to soak up the spotlight.
 
Crake said:
Rina's bluff is much lower than Viserys'. The best defense against a Sense Motive check in this case would be to not draw attention to yourself, and you know, luckily, have an attention hog like Viserys there to soak up the spotlight.
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But she wouldn't be Bluffing. That would be Viserys, after she asks the question.

You think Viserys should just ask himself?
 
DragonParadox said:
It's possible, though given how infinitely the oblivion breath is connected with the void it is impossible for you to copy it. You might concivably find a non-divine way to counter it (though it would probably still take mythic magic).

Anyway interlude next so I can have the second update to cap off the day afterwards.
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Would it be possible to use the Frost Dragon's breath if we, for a lack of better word, "sacrifice" the Heart to Yss (with additional sacrifices on top), if limited number of times?

Would the Heart itself be needed to attempt finding a way to protect against the effect, now that Djinn (their best Cryomancers to boot) researched it's conection to Void as throughly as they could?
 
egoo said:
Would it be possible to use the Frost Dragon's breath if we, for a lack of better word, "sacrifice" the Heart to Yss (with additional sacrifices on top), if limited number of times?

Would the Heart itself be needed to attempt finding a way to protect against the effect, now that Djinn (their best Cryomancers to boot) researched it's conection to Void as throughly as they could?
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  1. Theoretically yes, practically it would hook up Yss to the void something he is really not keen on
  2. It might still help if you want to do your own research
 
[X] Goldfish
I said this once as a joke, but now I mean it.
We should stack enlarge items/spells on Yss and have him Swallow the whole place.
Maybe use some kind of mansion shrinking spell to ease things along.
 
Duesal said:
Fimbulwinter isn't the only thing on the heart, dude. It's perfectly feasible to use it as a weapon without spamming the highest spell on there.
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Without it's effect as mini-nuke, it's nothing that Djinn won't bring to the fight themselves.
A good addition to some mage's spell repertuire, yes - but it doesn't have nearly the effectiveness or strategic effectiveness with those.

After all, we sold it (not literally) to the Sultana as a strategic weapon when we brought it up, with this very effect.
DragonParadox said:
Theoretically yes, practically it would hook up Yss to the void something he is really not keen on
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Welp, there goes my idea of erasing the Herald.

Oh well, at least we can still process all the power Ymeri invested in him through Yss.
It's about time Yss got some payback and funneled Viserys in return :V
 
egoo said:
Without it's effect as mini-nuke, it's nothing that Djinn won't bring to the fight themselves.
A good addition to some mage's spell repertuire, yes - but it doesn't have nearly the effectiveness or strategic effectiveness with those.

After all, we sold it (not literally) to the Sultana as a strategic weapon when we brought it up, with this very effect.
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Don't dismiss it out of hand. Just because Djinn mages can do the same doesn't mean it isn't still useful.
 
Not super happy with this, y'all. Any suggestions?

Should we just have Viserys ask?
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Oct 9, 2019 at 1:58 PM, finished with 63 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Have Varys Telepathically instruct Rina to ask the Herald what must be done to free it? After she asks, Viserys will act angered that she would even think to bargain with the Herald, hoping to convince it that the group might be turned against itself by N'gath's attempted manipulation.
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