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No, I'm not sympathetic. His prompt response was to toss the son out of the house, ignoring protests from both his heir and his wife. That should have been a clue.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Not exactly prompt, it took a Lannister mage figuring out Denys had magic and then telling Lothar (with social buffs) how much better his younger son would be 'with his own kind'. I'm not saying Lohtar Mallery is the good guy here, but he isn't a one-dimensional monster either.
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Alright how do we want to play this? If we say we can get his brother back then we get the heir on our side. Where is he in Castamere? Did Discern Location show that?
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Again, I'm not sympathetic.
We'll still use the lord because he's politically convenient, but I will never have respect for this man.
I'm fine, thanks for asking though.
My rhetoric might be a little to much for this issue. I will admit to being a little frustrated by the way the thread just assume the whole world will collapse along just the right path to get everything we want at the price we want it for. We keep running on the margin with the assumption it'll never fail or backfire. It could be this, or something else. We don't know, so it's better not to assume anything.
I may be over estimating the issue I'll admit, but you are underestimating it. One, of course she can't pull it out of thin air, but she's had four years to figure something out. Thinking she can't hurt us because the obvious is out of the question is asking for a surprise. Two, we aren't the only people she has to worry about. How do you think everyone else in Westeros will treat her and her family after they're out of power? I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it'd require much more effort than it's worth. Would she even trust us to play witness protection agent?
I think I'm going to drop this issue for the moment, it's not going anywhere productive.
The only thing I really wanted out of this argument was to point out that our enemies are not in fact ineffectual toddlers, and that they have strong desires that put them in opposition to us. These are people, not cups we can empty out and fill up with whatever we please.
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That's the point where you try to find out what the fuck happened before making life-changing decisions for everyone involved over their protests.
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Yeah, he's in Castamere, so the only way he's coming back is if the lord sends an official request for his return.
The heir is ludicrously easy to turn to our side. He and his mother are both rightfully pissed at the lord and the Lannisters. For an answer, I'm not sure this is a great time to tell him that the Seven aren't the only ones around, but that said the kid did bluntly ask the question so there's not that much room to dance around it for fear of his delicate psyche.
Maybe we can purchase a small dream ward in the Opaline Vault and send it his way as a means of further securing this House.
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Hmm here's a thought. You guys think we can use the kid as a teleportation beacon? Grab bits of his hair, teleport into the heart of Castamere and merciful SOTD?
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That's kind of what divinations are for, we strip her of any anti-divination items she has, and divine whether she will keep to the deal we make with her, if she will she get to join us, if she wont we execute her, divination mean that we don't have to guess, whether a potentially treacherous underling will betray us, we can divine their trustworthiness and act accordingly.
That's your opinion of how thing will go, in my opinion, if they don't surrender immediately, they will be captured or killed whatever is more convenient, and then we will use divination, to figure out if they will be trustworthy subordinates, if the divinations say they will be, then they will be resurrected.
Death is not an impediment to recruitment, we can kill her, then divine if she would be a trustworthy subordinate, and resurrect her if the answer is yes.
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We could, it'd just be a mess to clean up afterwards that would eat up all of our time.
He tried and failed so he got angry and did something stupid, or at least that is Viserys' read on him from what he heard.
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Here is my thought. Since he was capable of being seen he isn't under any protection. Now he could be under geas. If we divine that we could know for sure. If he is, then we play the game of requesting he returns and hope he does. If he doesn't return we could use the staff to place him under our geas telling to him to get out of the castle by ANY MEANS necessary. Or just dispel the curse through miracle and tell him to get out. If he doesn't have a geas on him we could just send a message from us telling him to leave the castle a bit and teleport him out. Thoughts?
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I think you mispelled "Cast Scribe's Binding, read her like well, a book, turn such back once we know her thoughts and desires and contacts and plots in full, if so inclined. And well after the conquest so she does not get any ideas."
RE: The kid, rather want to snag such back; Not only is he the cleric of a re-emerging religion (no one gets to influence those but us!), Mother Earth is the pair to Father Sky (It is important to loot the entire set) and will secure us the loyalty of the heir (this kid) and his Steward (the mother) both.
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I think it can be a lot simpler. DP already outlined that the path to victory is to simply convince the father that he has to call his son home. The Golden Shields are politically obligated to obey immediately. If they refuse? All of a sudden the child is officially an unlawful hostage, and the Golden Shields declared war on a Crownlander House (and prove to everyone that the children they send to Castamere to learn are more or less just hostages for Tywin).
One way or another we win. Either the boy comes back, or the Golden Shields take a spectacular reputation hit. It'd honestly be better for us if they refused to give him back.
I wonder if they'll actually try to geas him. I can't imagine a Bronze Age goddess would react well to that. Depending on the power she has left the Earth Mother might just resolve all of this for us.
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Hmm I guess this is a lot simpler than I thought. Even if they divine it for paranoia reasons they have to let him go because between a mage and a leal lord Westeros will believe that lord. So it is most definitely possible.
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She's even less remembered than the Stormgod and even he is totally powerless now.
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I hope they try to geas him. That would be an incredibly convenient political disaster we can exploit.
Even if they divine it they can't realistically do anything about it, not without shooting their own PR in the foot.
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[] With Edric and Lady Mallery's assistance, approach Lord Mallery in confidence. Without his brother's intervention and awakening of magic, Edric would have died and he would be at a loss of both sons.
-[] Moreover, the restless dead would likely be terrorizing the King's Wood anew, and the current King's Guard seem more inclined to rest on their laurels to repeat their feat and lay Simon Toyne in the dirt a second time. You can only imagine what such a being with a grudge could do unopposed if they had any time to gain ground.
-[] The Lannisters are unworthy of a young man of such bravery, and, moreover, it's politically insolvent to support House Lannister in any manner.
Not really convinced what the right play here is.
Do we really need the Lord? I'm hesitant to kill him. This situation is instantly resolved if we just get him to recall his son.
-[] Moreover, the restless dead would likely be terrorizing the King's Wood anew, and the current King's Guard seem more inclined to rest on their laurels to repeat their feat and lay Simon Toyne in the dirt a second time. You can only imagine what such a being with a grudge could do unopposed if they had any time to gain ground.
-[] The Lannisters are unworthy of a young man of such bravery, and, moreover, it's politically insolvent to support House Lannister in any manner.
Not really convinced what the right play here is.
Do we really need the Lord? I'm hesitant to kill him. This situation is instantly resolved if we just get him to recall his son.
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We need the lord because he's the only one who can realistically get the Golden Shields to return his son. Killing him really works against us.
Also we need a response to the heir's question on religion.
I'd have assumed that; but she just put together what looks like a full cleric. Favored souls are more like divine blooded sorcerers right? The seed of power is from the god, but they don't pray to or draw directly from their patron. If he's a cleric, then she must have enough power to support all his casting. Maybe the first men invoked her as part of creating their huge ass castle wards? If that's the case she might be getting trickle fed by their return.
Crake
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Show him a Child of the Forest, a snek priest, and maybe Breath-Taker?
They all have one thing in common, they're strange, but they're people, they have hopes and fears and dreams.
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We probably should buff edric and have him convince his father to come back, that he will explain things to both him and his mother, we can go from there.
If that doesn't work, we can reset his father with a