@Goldfish
Shadow Weave Magic, Insidious Magic, Tenacious Magic,
That's how it was supposed to work against the companions.
Any attempt to see through his Illusions with True Seeing or similar abilities as well as attempts to notice them with Arcane Sight would have taken a caster-level check and to Dispel them would have been very difficult relative to his level.
Especially Truesight from items, cast at minimal CL would have been fooled easily.

Of course that was all designed against people who are not Viserys and can use Wild Arcana'ed Chain Dispels.

Still, outside of deception he wasn't a great threat, nothing in his arsenal could have hurt the Herald for example.
Honestly, the more you write of it, the more I want to immediately toss him to Yss and get something along those lines as a minion (if lower level), and to hell with any research :/

That was a very neat build, one that had potential to royally fuck us over.
 
I think we need to start implementing magical checkpoints into our court etc somewhat similar to YiTi.

Artemis1992 has well illustrated that you just can't stop a skilled individual from fucking with the public.

You need to be able to pursue them and escalate the resources devoted based on what they've done and how long they've been active, up to and including Companion efforts.

Our court though needs to do that as effectively as possible in a passive fashion.

The general public gets Inquisition and public education etc as it's passive defenses.

Government buildings get auto-search checkpoints etc.

Sensitive locations get a True Sight effect etc.

{Insert Tiers}

Royal locations

Exotic effects like Perceive Betrayal

Companion level sensitivity

Everything!
 
AFAIK Mindsight is always active. It's like having 360 vision that works through walls : you can't miss a sentient beings because he is effectively standing right in front of you, all the time.
Basically without cover there is normally no need for Spot checks to spot a person standing in front of you. It's automatic.

Still, it's entirely possible that Varys didn't say anything because :
  1. A human with high Int is normal enough
  2. A human with the Dragon type is very rare, but not impossible. With strong enough dragonblood, it can happen naturally (and it's useful for use with Alter Self, as we and Daenerys know well). Lys is also the city of dragonblood breeding programs, and magic is returning and awakening ancient blood... Varys may have suspected he was a petty mageling (dragonblooded sorcerer ACF, something like that), but that isn't exactly important news for a lazy snake who knows such a mageling and it's petty combat spells or illusions is zero threat to us.
@DragonParadox, shall we run with something like this?

Retconning sucks.

Yeah, sure, this sounds better than what I came up with half a sleep last night. This is Lys after all, the dragonblood runs strong.
 
Dragons don't get auto-qualify cheese. That's only for True Dragons, which is a poorly defined category that brings forth nothing but nerdrage.

Furthermore, not all Dragonblooded are type : Dragon. That's only the lucky ones

Dragonblood is a ASoIaF term and you and DP just agreed that they all count as Dragons hence Varys' not thinking anything of the fact that her own Dragon type was mirrored to her.

I made a response to you earlier that I would assume they are Dragonblood Subtype as a DnD term, this is apparently not the case. Dragonblood the subtype for example does not get D12 HD.

And there are plenty of Prcs and Feats locked behind the Dragon type.
 
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Dragonblood is a ASoIaF term and you and DP just agreed that they all count as Dragons hence Varys' not thinking anything of the fact that her own Dragon type was mirrored to her.

I made a response to you earlier that I would assume they are Dragonblood Subtype as a DnD term, this is apparently not the case. Dragonblood the subtype for example does not get D12 HD.

And there are plenty of Prcs and Feats locked behind the Dragon type.
No we did not just agree that. It's been a long-established thing that some very rare people can get the Dragon type now that magic returns. AFAIK it's the reason why Viserys and Daenerys could turn into a Wyrmling through Alter Self back in Braavos.
Of course most silver-haired people don't get the Dragon Type. They probably just have the dragonblood subtype or something (they're just watered-down Silverbrow Humans, really).

Varys seeing one of these rare people might have gone "oh, that's unusual" but probably wouldn't have thought of him as a threat. He was probably just a low-level Commoner, Expert or possible Sorcerer : nothing that Viserys should have struggled with.

And I can't think of anything impressive locked behind the Dragon type, so have fun with that I suppose. Or prove me wrong, that would be cool too.
 
In any case, even if I'm wrong about why Viserys and Daenerys could use Alter Self as if they had the Dragon Type, it's already been established that some dragonblooded humans are weird when it comes to types. They can use Alter Self as if they had the Dragon Type, or like our Sorcerer magelings they get access to custom Alter Self variants that let them turn into Dragons.
So having people look like Dragons to Varys' Mindsight shouldn't be too weird if she spends any time around the Scholarum.
 
Why do you all want to meet that guy who sold The Person Who Used To Be Renly, his freedom?

It's the Hooded Lord, not the Horned Lord.

@Artemis1992, did you base that Nameless on the rabbit headed fey that stole a name here? Because it's as creepy and cool as that!
Adhoc vote count started by Takesis on Sep 17, 2019 at 4:37 AM, finished with 83 posts and 11 votes.
 
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Dragonblood is a ASoIaF term and you and DP just agreed that they all count as Dragons hence Varys' not thinking anything of the fact that her own Dragon type was mirrored to her.

I made a response to you earlier that I would assume they are Dragonblood Subtype as a DnD term, this is apparently not the case. Dragonblood the subtype for example does not get D12 HD.

And there are plenty of Prcs and Feats locked behind the Dragon type.
Actually dragon blooded is a DnD thing too.

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It's a whole big thing that lets you qualify for a bunch of other stuff. Basically.
 
Part MMMLXVIII: Of Price and Passage
Of Price and Passage

Twenty-Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

It rarely rains in Lys, and when it did it was usually swift flighty rains that blew in from the sea. There's even poetry about it, a glint of sunlight in every raindrop seen. There was no sign of the sun the next morning, the rain sliding in long coiling rivulets off marble facades, over the faces of stone angels to drip down in false tears upon the streets below, beating down relentlessly through the branches of the Weirwood Heart Tree. The Orphne Lord is patient as the ever, a darker shadow against the curtain of grey, while Hermetia only moves to dismiss the rain that is soaking through her crimson silk dress.

"To match the tree," she had said, running her hand through her silver hair to emphasize the contrast when you had complimented it. Yet you have a feeling that more than a whim went into the choice. She had taken the news that some Fey spirit was plotting infiltration and treachery in the city given into her care as a personal affront and had taken her introduction to the Orphne Lord as an opportunity to invite those of his lords who would be joining the Inquisition soon to Lys, 'to better learn to work with mortals' she said, though all present knew it was their knowledge of their fellow Fey that the governor of Lys was most concerned with. The hushed conversation continued as somewhere high above the sun reached its unseen zenith.

He comes with no pomp and no fanfare, between in less than the blink of an eye yet almost as though he had always been there, a hooded figure in a dark cloak that flows and billows with the wind. From what you can see of his pale face you might almost think him human, save for the fact that even your eyes cannot penetrate the darkness that hides his eyes.


The Fey Lord inclines his head first to his shadow-garbed fellow, his voice as though formed from the sound of the rain. "Swift travels shades and long is their reach." Is he making a point about how much shadows can grasp? you wonder. Turning to Hermetia he adds, "And fair is the hand that rests lightly upon the gilded reigns." Definitely making some kind of point, though you cannot yet say for certain which.

To your presence he offers no comment, though the hooded head inclines lower. "Why have you bid the Time-Lost and the Winter-that-May-Be to seek me out? If you wish to buy or sell, to strike deals in the market, know that I am not a merchant. I merely ensure that those who are can do so without difficulty."

"And therein lies the crux of the matter," you reply, your words soft but firm. "I too do my best to ensure that merchants in my lands have the best chance they can to grow prosperous, as any lord might."

"You wish to rule over the Feywild?" The lord's voice gives away nothing, though the rain grows thicker around you. "I warn you that it is a difficult place to bind by any foreign law."

"Pardon, my lord," Hermetia interjects, "but the Goblin Market is not in the Feywild, it is in Lys." Her smile is like hemlock and honey. "If I misunderstand things then there should obviously be a border running between them. There is, after all, a name for those who sell things without paying due to the state, one that would ill suite any in our distinguished company."

"It is the mortals of the silver city who walk to the boundary seeking bargains," the Fey Lord replies, his voice unchanged. "It would be troublesome to sink the market deeper into our realm and invite each and every one of them past the threshold. So the question now is what conditions do you place and would they be less onerous?"

"A perilous thing to turn over hot coals with a stick," the Shadow Fey notes. "It might take more than rain to quench it."

"A curtain is for passing through." The words were softer, as though the speaker is indeed moving away from you. One gloved hand moves the rain aside as though it were indeed spun cloth to reveal a glimpse of the twilight sky you had seen two days past. Turning again to you he adds: "I have no desire to fight you, Dragon King, but the world is a wide place and portals in other realms might be opened."

What do you reply?

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OOC: So here we are, the Hooded Lord has no interest in fighting you, but if you guys impose conditions he finds unacceptable he will pick up and leave. So now would be a time to make your pitch for regulations.
 
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but if you guys impose conditions he finds unacceptable he will pick up and leave
And then we'll simply purge the place.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It'll be difficult sure, but nowhere near impossible for us, even as swarmed as we are with enemies already.


So, ah...
What exactly do we want, @everyone?
The same general principles enforced on Orphne Court?
No making deals that break the laws of the Empire, no preying on those whose mental state doesn't allow for making thought-out deals, etc?

anything else?
Do we want to take part in this "market" and try to make profits off it, either by taxing, or else?
 
Okay, our goal here is to get him as a vassal so he can run the Goblin Market for us. As far as I can tell he hasn't been a tyrant running the Goblin Market with an iron fist, and he hasn't been trampling over our laws. There really isn't that much that should be objected to here.
And then we'll simply purge the place.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It'll be difficult sure, but nowhere near impossible for us, even as swarmed as we are with enemies already.


So, ah...
What exactly do we want, @everyone?
The same general principles enforced on Orphne Court?
No making deals that break the laws of the Empire, no preying on those whose mental state doesn't allow for making thought-out deals, etc?

anything else?
Do we want to take part in this "market" and try to make profits off it, either by taxing, or else?
Egoo, this is a negotiating tactic. Reminding the other person that they're not your only option is a basic maneuver.
 
What rules do the Orphene work under again? For the most part I want their to be protections against bargains that enslaves people and bargains that are just harmful to people. Also them submitting to audits would be nice. I want there to be an agency responsible for audits so that we can find any dangerous artifacts through them.

Edit: Oh yeah. Also basic consent/contract signing laws. If they are in no position (mentally) to agree to something then the fey deal needs to not occur.
 
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