The paladin is a weird class for me because they always seemed so...judgemental. The shiny fuckers always seems to be judging whenever some person isn't following some weird tenant from some far off god. Never liked them tbh.
The paladin is a weird class for me because they always seemed so...judgemental. The shiny fuckers always seems to be judging whenever some person isn't following some weird tenant from some far off god. Never liked them tbh.
Would we need a proper Fleshforge to unlock these things?
Doesn't quite look like turning humanoids into vampires should be in our Mossforge's function.
Or no forge at all, just research and magic straight on the person?
Yeah this. This is my main issue in a sense. At what point would something be worth taking action against? Are the Paladins fighting the strictly supernatural evils of the world? Or all evils? If a king is abusing his people does the paladin have the right to fight him even though he is the rightful leader? If a child steals food for his sick mother does the Paladin punish the child because he broke the law? Does a paladin sit by and let injustice stand by if the law allows it? Also what gives the Paladin the right to judge other people's actions?
The problem is that their scrutiny won't help anything because what they consider evil could be considered perfectly normal by everyone around them. Hell look at our kingdom. A Paladin would have a heart attack with the literal devils walking around.
What does it say about Paladins that Moody was considered kinda crazy by his fellows, even though he was part of the law enforcement and mostly just doing his job?
Random murderhobo Paladins have less justification.
Wait the constant questioning of what it means to be good, what it means to follow the law, when a paladin can interfere and if the paladin has any right to judge is normal for paladins?
What does it say about Paladins that Moody was considered kinda crazy by his fellows, even though he was part of the law enforcement and mostly just doing his job?
Random murderhobo Paladins have less justification.
Wait the constant questioning of what it means to be good, what it means to follow the law, when a paladin can interfere and if the paladin has any right to judge is normal for paladins?
I generally try to avoid thinking about Paladins, and try to avoid GMing or playing any. PCs who play them can either get the hint and pick another character, or inevitably die and/or fall. No need to plot against them or anything : just wait and they'll do it themselves ! They'll overthink things and tie themselves into knots, they'll act especially stupidly and die, they'll get into conflict with fellow PCs, etc.
In my experience, most Paladin players aren't great. The great players simply pick another class and play it like a Paladin.
You heard internet legends about amazing Paladin players who zealously care about the code, but really? I've never met a real one.
Would we need a proper Fleshforge to unlock these things?
Doesn't quite look like turning humanoids into vampires should be in our Mossforge's function.
Or no forge at all, just research and magic straight on the person?
After what you have heard in the village tavern the request is not unexpected. You had considered raising the boy Galladon as Lord Selwyn once again, though the return of one dead for eight-and-ten years is a fragile thread to hang Tarth's loyalty by. He might be unwilling or unable to return, leaving you with no other option but to belatedly agree to Brienne inheriting, leaving broken hopes and resentment in your wake. The second option would be to cut the knot of conflicting loyalties directly, with an Unraveling as Dany did to Tiamat, but that is not an offer to make lightly, not one to make here in a sept, standing before a man who for all his worries is still a devout worshiper of the Seven Who Are One. "If Brienne is willing to swear her oath of fealty and obey the laws of the realm, I see no impediment to her being the heir of Tarth"
"Thank you, Your Grace, I will summon her at once," the lord says, gratitude almost palpable in his voice, but there is something else there, beneath the gratitude, beneath the relief—wariness. At first you think it is concern for what the Usurper might do, or even Stannis, for he has no way of knowing the Lord of Storm's End has sworn himself to you, but then you realize it is none of these things. The truth hidden in the words he did not say. There is no assurance forthcoming that his daughter will put king before god, nor even that she even wishes to be Lady of Evenfall Hall. You begin to suspect that Selwyn is attempting to push his daughter into lordship over the life of the questing knight. Given the reason he is doing that is as much or more to keep her alive as to secure his legacy, you cannot being yourself to blame him for it.
Brienne of Tarth has grown into her role, you realize as the young woman steps into the sept, quite literally in some regards, shooting up even further in height and bearing her armor with the easy stride of one who has faced battle in it. But more than that there is a confidence to her you had not seen before, sky blue eyes meet yours without hesitation.
"Your Grace, Your Highness, Ser Knight, an honor to see you again," she says, bowing to each of you in turn as custom demands. Turning again to you she adds, "Know that your gift has been of great use to me this past year. It likely even saved my life during my last battle."
From the way her father starts you suspect that is something she had never said in so many words before, proof if any was needed that one need not lie directly for shade the truth, though you can no more blame her for wishing to keep Lord Tarth from worrying than you can see him ill for trying to keep her safe.
"I am glad it could help, my lady. I came bearing considerably more help if you would take it," you motion to the chest. "Weapons and armor, talismans, philters and potions, but above all else books that you may know the dangers of this new world we find ourselves in."
"Thank you, Your Grace." A shy smile touches her lips, reminding you that for all the stern duty that rests upon her shoulders she is still a girl of four-and-ten. "Strangely enough I have found that after taking up the lance and sword as I have always dreamed of that I should have paid more attention to the maester's lessons."
"It would've mattered little if you had listened and remembered every dusty lesson," Ser Richard interjects. "There's nothing said there of grumpkins and snarks."
Though Brianne laughs at the jest her eyes soon darken. "Alas that there are far worse things than both in the world than the bard's fancy can hold."
Silence falls, though it is soon broken by Lord Tarth proclaiming without preamble: "I did not call you here only to see the gifts His Grace has left us, but bearing the news that he has agreed to recognize you as my heir. Given... current circumstances it would be best for you to swear your own oath now."
The young woman looks at her father sadly: "You already swore an oath of service father."
You open your mouth to make the same points you had so many times before, but Lord Selwyn speaks first. "So I did, to Robert Baratheon, Lord of the Stormlands by right of birth upon his father's death. However upon gaining the Iron Throne by the strength of his hammer he has not proven himself worthy of that honor."
"A fact which his brother, the current Lord of Storm's End, agrees with," Dany adds to the surprise of father and daughter both.
"I... truly?" Brienne blurts out, blushing a moment later likely at the fact that she had inadvertently called your sister's word into question.
"Yes, it was not an easy thing to convince him," you say, the greatest underestimation you have ever spoken seriously.
For a moment there is no sound save the one of Brienne's armor as she shifts from foot to foot. "Your Grace, I am not certain how to answer your offer without seeming ungrateful, so I will do so plainly and beg pardon for any offense I may give. A true oath I can give you, but one that will extend no further than the one my father set aside today. While you rule in a just and honorable manner for the benefit of your people then you can count upon my sword. I hope that I shall never see the day when that would not be true."
A courtier she will never make, you think, though far from offended. You had considered the circumstance where the Warrior would ask of her to act against you, but for her the distinction is one of conscience. Though you suspect she cannot imagine a circumstance where He would ask her to act dishonorably her answer would be the same even then. You can see that truth clear in her eyes as she speaks.
What do you do?
[] Accept Brienne's oath
[] Point out to Lord Tarth that he is pushing his daughter into yet more responsibilities, offer instead to attempt to raise his son
[] Write in
OOC: Here we are, everyone here has good intentions, but they have different priorities. I'm interested to see what you guys make of this. Also this is probably the last full update in Tarth so a vote on what to do next would not go amiss.
Wait the constant questioning of what it means to be good, what it means to follow the law, when a paladin can interfere and if the paladin has any right to judge is normal for paladins?
[X] Point out to lord Tarth that he is pushing his daughter into yet more responsibilities, offer instead to attempt to raise his son
It may seem awkward, but it's the simple fact that she'll be shoehorned into 3(!) different cathegories of power and responsibilitiues within our Kingdom once we overtake, is what I'm seeeing as a problem.
For us as much as for her.
...Also, we can probably offer to rezz her Companions?
Oh! And we shouldask for skull of that Eldritch Septon.
While you rule in a just and honorable manner for the benefit of your people than you can count upon mys sword. I hope that I shall never see the day when that would not be true.
@DragonParadox, can we assume that our current style of ruling won't be of issue to Brienne? We were mainly just going to keep going as is. If there's a problem with that, though, then we need to sort this out now.
I don't mind the oath clash, I see it as stress testing. And a good portion of them overlap or dont apply.
Her joining the inquisition. That would be a conflict of interests right there.
Edit: @Duesal actually we've gradually been getting less Draconian.
We have a larger variety of beings in our service, we have a reform based prison system, we aren't just slinging cultists at trees without so much as a "by your leave" anymore...
The hard choices we made to stay alive are becoming less and less necessary.
"Your Grace I am not certain how to answer your offer without seeming ungrateful, so I will do to plainly and beg pardon for any offense I may give. A true oath I can give you, but one that will extend no further than the one my father set aside today. While you rule in a just and honorable manner for the benefit of your people than you can count upon mys sword. I hope that I shall never see the day when that would not be true."
No.
We are not always honorable and we cannot be just.
To be just would require great adjustments to our treatment of recruited fiends, some that could not repent for what they did in a thousand lifetimes of service for a good cause.
As we all know, some of those die, some of those are offered jobs.
As for honorable, see the conquest of Lys.
We are not up to her personal standards, I fear, Paladin or not.
Let her kill monsters as long as we can and then shove her off somewhere far away.
@DragonParadox, can we assume that our current style of ruling won't be of issue to Brienne? We were mainly just going to keep going as is. If there's a problem with that, though, then we need to sort this out now.
