No, our "justification" is the fact that the throne is rightfully ours, and that the Baratheons are actual usurpers. It would have been the most OOC decision of the quest bar none for Viserys to throw away a pillar of his identity and decide that he doesn't want to take back the Seven Kingdoms.
If Stannis was the king of Westeros, Viserys would still want Westeros, but he wouldn't have any hurry to take Westeros, which would mean that he would be okay taking it not by conquest but by diplomacy.

So we wouldn't be conquering Westeros, we would still be integrating Westeros, but it would be though diplomatic pressure to join us.

And if that didn't work on Stannis, well Stannis isn't going to live forever and we are, so if he kept Westeros safe, we would be able to afford to wait until his heir was ruler.
 
@Duesal, we could have made it IC though. We'd have been playing the @Artemis1992 chaotic gold route for this to happen (obviously), and "is taking back the throne really worth the innocent deaths from the war of conquest ?" makes sense too.
 
If Stannis was the king of Westeros, Viserys would still want Westeros, but he wouldn't have any hurry to take Westeros, which would mean that he would be okay taking it not by conquest but by diplomacy.

So we wouldn't be conquering Westeros, we would still be integrating Westeros, but it would be though diplomatic pressure to join us.

And if that didn't work on Stannis, well Stannis isn't going to live forever and we are, so if he kept Westeros safe, we would be able to afford to wait until his heir was ruler.
Again, OOC as hell. There's being patient and waiting for the right time for conquest, and then there's outright ceding his birthright to the people who usurped it. If Stannis were on the throne it wouldn't matter if he was a good king, he's still a usurper. It'd be one thing to force an economic or diplomatic victory and have Stannis bend the knee, but deciding to let Stannis stay on the throne just would not happen.
@Duesal, we could have made it IC though. We'd have been playing the @Artemis1992 chaotic gold route for this to happen (obviously), and "is taking back the throne really worth the innocent deaths from the war of conquest ?" makes sense too.
If we worked towards that for the last 13,133 pages, sure. Maybe. It would have been a lot of work precisely because it's such an OOC route for Viserys. The point being here that we didn't go that route, so Viserys very much believes that Westeros is his.
 
Interlude DX: A Strange Study
A Strange Study

Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Horio of Tyrosh was not a flesh-smith, nor was he any sort of artificer, his last project completed more by dint of his affinity with the sea than than any skill for enchantment. Fortunately, however, he was not was not merely one mage conducting furtive studies by candlelight anymore, worried that his landlord might take offense at the strange smells and stranger visitors that filled his old apartment. He was a headmaster of the Scholarum of Tyrosh, responsible for the education and general safety of over a hundred mages. Though the task caused him no small amount of headaches it also granted him one power greater than even sorcery, delegation. Much better than binding spirits, after all, his subordinates would not strangle, burn, or tear him apart if he mistook the carving of one glyph upon the ground.

***​

In a chamber some three stories removed from the spacious quarters of the headmaster the one receiving that delegation was taking stock of the task.

"...so let me see if I get this right, your species reproduces by injecting its eggs into a victim which they then devour from the inside, before tearing their way out of 'any convenient opening'," Jeric of Oreso asked the strange creature in front of him. He politely refrained from asking: 'Why the hell would anyone want to make more of you?' but the question seemed to have been heard regardless.

Small leathery wings ruffled indignantly as the Dagger Wyrm took clumsy flight: "Did you ever stop to think how many animals had to suffer and die to feed you over the years?"

"It says here that the preferred hosts were thinking beings," Jeric countered, gulping a little. Small though it may be, that blade looked plenty sharp enough to slit his throat, and he was anything but a battle mage.

"Well, er... yes... The one who made us was not of a particularly kindly disposition, and I'm sorry to say most of my kind followed her in that," the living weapon admitted.

"And what made you change ?" the mage asked, breathing a small sigh of relief to see Feeder grow sheepish and not angry.

"Oh... um. I'm afraid that is secret," came the instant reply.

Jeric wondered not for the first time if it was still too late to transfer to Naath.

***​

Twenty-Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Horio looked at what appeared to be a three feet tall waxy cone built around a skeleton of Valyrian Steel from over thirty feet away, not from any trepidation as to the contents, but because the 'hive' smelled like a week-old corpse, at least what he imagined a week-old corpse to smell like having never had the misfortune to smell the real thing. Abruptly the scent of old blood, the feeling of mind-shattering pain, and the sound of bone breaking from the inside flashed to mind.

"Well?" he snapped, voice sharper than it otherwise might have been to hide the tremble in it. "What is this supposed to be?"

The young man in charge of the project did not seem inclined to let his superior's peevishness get in the way of his lecture. "After an extensive study of insects that reproduce in a manner similar to Feeder's species, dissecting and recombining them to discover the arcane resonances involved, we have made use of spellsteel and copious amounts of fermented dragon blood to create a mold from which a female of the species may be born. Observe..." With that he took out a small hammer of a strange golden metal Horio had never seen before and struck the hive in carefully prepared places.

With an ear-piercing shriek, something that looked like a miniature shard of bone ripped its way free and launched itself directly at the younger mage's eye.

"No!" the elder dragon-kin shouted, sending the hatching spinning with one wing. "People are not for eating, there's a hog out back for you to infest."

"Why?" a tiny, strangely innocent voice asked.

"Because people are thinking beings just like you and me who are worth far more than the meat on them. You would not infest me, would you?"

"Can't," the hatchling replied. "You are the same as me. Meat wouldn't be right."

Horio and Jeric shared a look of relief. At least they would not be the ones trying to teach his lesson.

Dagger-Wyrms Complete (10/6)

  • Dagger Wyrms can now be grown at a cost of 200 IM/creature (1 week growth time)
  • Further living equipment opened

OOC: Yes, that is only a third of what a CR 2 creature would cost to buy, and even less than it would cost to make at the Fungus
Forge. You can thank Tiamat's flesh-crafting skills for that since she made the species really well.
 
OOC: Yes, that is only a third of what a CR 2 creature would cost to buy, and even less than it would cost to make at the Fungus Forge. You can thank Tiamat's flesh-crafting skills for that since she made the species really well.
Well now I'm curious. @DragonParadox, what are Tiamat's other prominent examples of flesh-crafting? Was she responsible for the Calligraphy Wyrms? Did she make other things? Do Viserys' or Dany's knowledge have anything there? Do Amrelath's?
 
Again, OOC as hell. There's being patient and waiting for the right time for conquest, and then there's outright ceding his birthright to the people who usurped it. If Stannis were on the throne it wouldn't matter if he was a good king, he's still a usurper. It'd be one thing to force an economic or diplomatic victory and have Stannis bend the knee, but deciding to let Stannis stay on the throne just would not happen.

If we worked towards that for the last 13,133 pages, sure. Maybe. It would have been a lot of work precisely because it's such an OOC route for Viserys. The point being here that we didn't go that route, so Viserys very much believes that Westeros is his.
That's the case as things is now, if Stannis had become king 2 years ago in quest time, then things might have been very different, as I at least would have voted for providing Stannis help, until his sense of duty told him, that joining the Imperium would be the right thing to do.

And I also would vote for Viserys changing tactics to diplomacy instead of conquest, if he was sent to another version of Westeros, that was prosperous and peaceful.
 
That's the case as things is now, if Stannis had become king 2 years ago in quest time, then things might have been very different, as I at least would have voted for providing Stannis help, until his sense of duty told him, that joining the Imperium would be the right thing to do.

And I also would vote for Viserys changing tactics to diplomacy instead of conquest, if he was sent to another version of Westeros, that was prosperous and peaceful.
You're mixing up your own OOC goals with Viserys' IC pillars of identity. If you were to push for the OOC goal of letting Stannis keep Westeros, you would have had a lot of work to do. It's so OOC it's on the level of Viserys not trying to bring Rhaella back to life.
Wait... Bioweapon gear?

So we can make Guyver armor?
Guyver armor would be very nice.
 
A Strange Study

Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Horio of Tyrosh was not a flesh-smith, nor was he any sort of artificer. His last project was completed more by dint of his affinity with the sea than than any skill for enchantment. Fortunately, however, he was not was not merely one mage conducting furtive studies by candlelight anymore, worried that his landlord might take offense at the strange smells and stranger visitors that filled his old apartment. He was a headmaster of the Scholarum of Tyrosh, responsible for the education and general safety of over a hundred mages. Although the task caused him no small amount of headaches, it also granted him one power greater than even sorcery, delegation. Much better than binding spirits, after all, as his new subordinates would not strangle, burn, or tear him apart if he mistook the carving of one glyph upon the ground.

***​

In a chamber some three stories removed from the spacious quarters of the headmaster, the one receiving that delegation was taking stock of the task.

"...so let me see if I get this right, your species reproduces by injecting its eggs into a victim which they then devour from the inside, before tearing their way out of 'any convenient opening'," Jeric of Oreso asked the strange creature in front of him. He politely refrained from asking: 'Why the hell would anyone want to make more of you?' but the question seemed to have been heard regardless.

Small leathery wings ruffled indignantly as the Dagger Wyrm took clumsy flight: "Did you ever stop to think how many animals had to suffer and die to feed you over the years?"

"It says here that the preferred hosts were thinking beings," Jeric countered, gulping a little. Small though it may be, that blade looked plenty sharp enough to slit his throat, and he was anything but a battle mage.

"Well, er... yes... The one who made us was not of a particularly kindly disposition, and I'm sorry to say most of my kind followed her in that," the living weapon admitted.

"And what made you change?" the mage asked, breathing a small sigh of relief to see Feeder grow sheepish and not angry.

"Oh... um. I'm afraid that is secret," came the instant reply.

Jeric wondered not for the first time if it was still too late to transfer to Naath.

***​

Twenty-Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Horio looked at what appeared to be a three feet tall waxy cone built around a skeleton of Valyrian Steel from over thirty feet away, not from any trepidation as to the contents, but because the 'hive' smelled like a week-old corpse, at least what he imagined a week-old corpse to smell like having never had the misfortune to smell the real thing. Abruptly the scent of old blood, the feeling of mind-shattering pain, and the sound of bone breaking from the inside flashed to mind.

"Well?" he snapped, voice sharper than it otherwise might have been to hide the tremble in it. "What is this supposed to be?"

The young man in charge of the project did not seem inclined to let his superior's peevishness get in the way of his lecture. "After an extensive study of insects that reproduce in a manner similar to Feeder's species, dissecting and recombining them to discover the arcane resonances involved, we have made use of spellsteel and copious amounts of fermented dragon blood to create a mold from which a female of the species may be born. Observe..." With that, he took out a small hammer of a strange golden metal Horio had never seen before and struck the hive in carefully prepared places.

With an ear-piercing shriek, something that looked like a miniature shard of bone ripped its way free and launched itself directly at the younger mage's eye.

"No!" the elder dragon-kin shouted, sending the hatching spinning with one wing. "People are not for eating, there's a hog out back for you to infest."

"Why?" a tiny, strangely innocent voice asked.

"Because people are thinking beings just like you and me who are worth far more than the meat on them. You would not infest me, would you?"

"Can't," the hatchling replied. "You are the same as me. Meat wouldn't be right."

Horio and Jeric shared a look of relief. At least they would not be the ones trying to teach his lesson.

Dagger-Wyrms Complete (10/6)

  • Dagger Wyrms can now be grown at a cost of 200 IM/creature (1 week growth time)
  • Further living equipment opened

OOC: Yes, that is only a third of what a CR 2 creature would cost to buy, and even less than it would cost to make at the Fungus
Forge. You can thank Tiamat's flesh-crafting skills for that since she made the species really well.
Made a few very minor edits.

This is great. Next month, I foresee more than one research project dedicated to furthering this branch of the magitek tree.
 
OOC: Yes, that is only a third of what a CR 2 creature would cost to buy, and even less than it would cost to make at the Fungus
Forge. You can thank Tiamat's flesh-crafting skills for that since she made the species really well.
Next step make it more benign. Because creating more of a race that reproduces by nesting in and eating sentiments is kinda a no. Soo...make a that reproduces by forging metal maybe Valyrian Steel into more of it.

Then! Add the Srceror Template!

Seriously though fermented dragons blood? Draconic Blood Booze?
 
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They do not really need to nest and kill sentients, that's just their first instinct which can be overcome by training.
No I mean removing it in the next batch to replace it with the reproduction method of the Caligraphy Wyrms. Self forging another with a suitable metal. Less squicky.

Given their nature I figure Valyrian Steel over Gold. Though I'd like to see a Mithral Dagger Wyrm.

Also Dragon Blood Booze.
 
Wait... Bioweapon gear?

So we can make Guyver armor?
That would be a neat end goal. A single symbiotic organism that bonded to a host to provide enhanced AC, Fast Healing, Damage Reduction, and boosted physical attributes via Enhancement bonuses (Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, speed, etc).

Powerful and a great force multiplier, but with drawbacks, such as occupying all of the host's magic item slots.

Honestly, I would prefer this route over the Praetorian Project.
 
No I mean removing it in the next batch to replace it with the reproduction method of the Caligraphy Wyrms. Self forging another with a suitable metal.

Given their nature I figure Valyrian Steel over Gold. Though I'd like to see a Mithral Dagfer Wyrm.

Also Dragon Blood Booze.
I'm not sure that the Dagger Wyrms are actually metal. They seemed like flesh instead.
That would be a neat end goal. A single symbiotic organism that bonded to a host to provide enhanced AC, Fast Healing, Damage Reduction, and boosted physical attributes via Enhancement bonuses (Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, speed, etc).

Powerful and a great force multiplier, but with drawbacks, such as occupying all of the host's magic item slots.

Honestly, I would prefer this route over the Praetorian Project.
I'd like to stick with the Praetorian Project. A lot of work was put into it.
 
I wonder if Tiamat created the first Dragons...
Nyet! Io did that! Tiamat just made the Idiot Evil Chromatics...and these Chest Buster ripoffs of Dagger Wyms.

I'm not sure that the Dagger Wyrms are actually metal. They seemed like flesh instead.

I'd like to stick with the Praetorian Project. A lot of work was put into it.
Eh, not much dif. Also yes definetly prefer Symbionts. But if we are making Dragon Daggers too I want ones that reproduce through forging instead of chest busting.
 
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Next month, we're gonna expand Feeder's family significantly. It'll be great. :)
 
They are indeed flesh bone and blood, changing their reproductive method would also make them ore expedience. They only cost so little because pigs and cows are cheap.
Huh, though the outside was metallic with organic innards. So you telling me they are technically bone/scale daggers? Would making VS variants then increase stats a bit? What's their hardness like?

Because technically if its just dragon flesh all the way through, dragon bane weapons should cut right through em on a good hit.
 
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