[X] Under the assumption that he is warded against divination:
-[X] The primary reason to call on the dragon is that we plan to create and cast a ritual, that will both greatly anger the Sultan of Brass, and likely make him send considerable forces to disrupt it.
-[X] His expertiese and aid in creating the necessary defences for such an endevour would be invaluable.
-[X] Besides the satisfaction in the task itself, the use of any ressources we can offer to it and the aid of our greatest mages and runecrafters, we would offer a substantial direct reward
-[X] Long-term exchange of knowledge on magical defences would be of interest too, mostly to defend our cities in a way that works without causing extreme expanses compared to the low level of use any large, static defence has against magical foe

Just gonna leave direct mention of payment out, I'm also leery of handing out magical knowledge to an unaligned force.
 
The original idea was to get his help for defending the Brass Ritual, anything else can come later?

I thought it was for Deep Ones etc, my mistake though you can spin it easily enough.

The Garden is the crux of creation and the Shaitan and Djinn need to be relieved of external pressures so they may also lend their strength?

The first step in an involved process.
 
The Imperium is simply not rich enough to pay an elder dragon for working in any satisfactory capacity with straight up cash. Besides such, an understanding of runelore will make any plan such concocts yet better. Cannot ask for someone to decide the best 'anything' without being aware of all the parameters.

An oath to not share said knowledge with others can be involved, of course. Honestly, am curious if runelore can be leveraged into a more permanent deal with the Imperium.
 
1) Access to works a of Bran the Builder. We are going to research them all anyway, and time it would take us to do so is insignificant by Adamantine's standards.

2) we have several unique work a of lore pertaining to siegecraft of Plane of Balance.
Memories of Ghael the Bold

Description:
A recent translation of the memories of of a great general from the early days of the Ghiscari empire, supposedly the great-grandson of Grazdan the Great. It provides a fascinating look into both the military tactics and the mores of the early Ghiscari Empire.

Content: Adds +4 to Knowledge (History) and Knowledge (Warfare) related to the Ghiscari Empire.
Rooted in Stone

By:
King Roland Arryn

Description: This codex is bound in sheets of finely-worked slate which was once adorned with beaten gold, long since pried off by the enterprising clansman who stole it from some hapless traveler or a poorly-defended holdfast.

Content: Supposedly written by Roland Arryn, fourth Andal King of Mountain and Vale and the man responsible for erecting the Eryrie, this text is far more likely to be a compilation of the writings of several maesters skilled in war and architecture. Nonetheless the lessons in constructing and tearing down keeps are of no less worth for its likely less exalted authorship. Adds +3 to Knowledge (Architecture) when attempting to construct defensive works and +3 to Knowledge (War) when besieging one.
and then we have some (quite a lot) of general lore PoB accumulated on the matter. +9 War, for one.

I say, we should offer him the books now as first bout of payment, along with some bling.

What we ask for?
1) Insights into how to build passive and unconventional defenses that would stop infiltrators of Illithids, Devils and Demons.

2) Insights into fortification methods of Illithid and Efreeti, so that we would find it easier to go around, or storm such.

3) long perspective - preparing SD for Efreeti Invasion Force, and the rest of the world for Long Night.

The 3rd would have access to works of Bran the Builder as payment.

We can show him a hologram of the Wall as an example here.

I'm just woken up.
Someone's writing this up?
Otherwise, I need 10 minutes.
 
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[] I am certain you know of Heaven's Sundering, would you like the opportunity to mark Planar history by holding the line and pushing back the alliance of forces responsible for the Great Sundering in their latest bid for the destruction of creation.

Artemis version sounds ambitious. This one a little megalomaniac.
 
Artemis version sounds ambitious. This one a little megalomaniac.

Where's the lie?

He explicitly wants to create great works, be remembered as great and take great trophies.

None of these three categories can be exceeded in another endeavour.

Telling someone to decide which side of history to be on is a staple for a reason, they convince themselves.

Anyways it's getting late for me and I'd rather this bloke not end up with state secrets from a knee jerk reaction in our very first conversation so single issue voting it is for me.

[X] Duesal
 
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[X] Under the assumption that he is warded against divination:
-[X] The primary reason to call on the dragon is that we plan to create and cast a ritual, that will both greatly anger the Sultan of Brass, and likely make him send considerable forces to disrupt it.
-[X] His expertiese and aid in creating the necessary defences for such an endevour would be invaluable.
-[X] Besides the satisfaction in the task itself, the use of any ressources we can offer to it and the aid of our greatest mages and runecrafters, we would offer a subbstantial direct reward
-[X] (X money) and knowledge of Runelore, a form of magic that should be a great boon to anyone wishing to give his magical works endurance and permanence
-[X] Long-term exchange of knowledge on magical defences would be of interest too, mostly to defend our cities in a way that works without causing extreme expanses compared to the low level of use any large, static defence has against magical foes.
--[X] The latter is particularly important against Deep Ones

@DragonParadox
Can Viserys dare a guess how much the first part would cost, with or without Runelore in the deal?
 
I'm not sure what you mean?

The Aboleths have the orgininal variant, ours is adapted to be understood by poor mortals?
I wasn't aware the OGs had anything to do with runecraft?

What do you mean you weren't aware the Old Gods had anything to do with runecraft? The aboleths have the tainted original variant, ours was filtered through the Old Gods over the ages and is nice enough not to make the users insane. We literally got it from Bloodraven.

[X] Show respect to Darleth and have the conversation in True Dragon form. Introduce ourselves as King Viserys. Highlight that we stand as allies with the Shaitan and the Djinn, having forged a pact with them in the Plane of Balance.
-[X] Under the assumption that he is warded against divination:
--[X] The primary reason to call on the dragon is that we plan to create and cast a ritual, that will make the Sultan of Brass apoplectic. We are expecting the strongest possible response, and need somewhere to bear his focused ire while it gets done. We fortunately have secured troops of a type he should be familiar in accounting for, for the ritual fortress. We have gotten our Shaitan and Djinn allies to not only agree to help fund and man the fortress, but also teach us their arts in constructing it.
---[X] His expertise and aid in creating the necessary defenses for such an endeavor would be invaluable. We will negotiate a suitable payment with Darleth when the time to build the fortress comes.
----[X] Besides the satisfaction in the task itself, the use of any resources we can offer to it and the aid of our greatest mages and runecrafters, we would offer a substantial direct reward.
-[X] Long-term exchange of knowledge on magical defenses would be of interest too, mostly to defend our cities in a way that works without causing extreme expanses compared to the low level of use any large, static defense has against magical foe
--[X] For the first part of our proposed bargain, we wish for insights into how to build passive & active, conventional & unconventional defenses that would stop infiltrators of Illithid, Devils and Demons, and anything else that could try its luck against us. This would be used to protect Sorcerer's Deep first, and later spread across the Imperium.
---[X] We do need defenses against infiltration, yes, but we'd want to remodel our existing and future fortifications to take into account the reality of high level magic. A set of blueprints for all sizes and levels of sophistication/effort for towers, armored outposts, forts, fortresses and castles that can vary from "the Legion camp the army builds this night while on the march" to "the holdfast of a Duke" would be magnificent.
----[X] As the first part of the payment, offer the books Memories of Ghael the Bold and Rooted in Stone as examples of the history of warfare in Prime Material as well as generally war-related lore from Plane of Balance (currently on +9 in our Library), along with what monetary compensation is necessary.
----[X] To additionally tempt him, offer a brief visit to the Plane of Balance to show him the Wall. Should he agree to later agreements we would aid him in studying it in-depth, along with other examples of legendary architecture from Prime Material. Also, if Viserys deems it will go over well, offer to show him around the Hall of Horrors. Additionally offer him a tour of Sorcerer's Deep.
--[X] For long-term goals, we wish to negotiate for insights into fortification methods of Illithid and Efreeti, so that we would find it easier to go around, or storm such, and for the long perspective - preparing SD for Efreeti Invasion Force, and the rest of the world for Long Night.
---[X] In particular, one goal of ours is to build the grandest castle in Prime Material.
----[X] For potential payments we could offer him aid in studying ancient fortifications like the Wall (perhaps with our own lore for how such structures were built), along with monetary compensation and perhaps other things, but the details of the agreement and subsequent payment can be finalized at a later date.
----[X] Make sure Darleth is made aware of what runecrafting is capable of, both so he can plan around it as well as to sufficiently tempt him for future transactions.
 
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What do you mean you weren't aware the Old Gods had anything to do with runecraft? The aboleths have the tainted original variant, ours was filtered through the Old Gods over the ages and is nice enough not to make the users insane. We literally got it from Bloodraven.
I thought Bran, or whoever first tricked the Aboleth with that time-riddle could directly use it, long before the OGs got it?
 
Anyways it's getting late for me and I'd rather this bloke not end up with state secrets from a knee jerk reaction in our very first conversation so single issue voting it is for me.
Yeah, this is my problem.

Offering runecrafting? Are you kidding me?
I thought Bran, or whoever first tricked the Aboleth with that time-riddle could directly use it, long before the OGs got it?
Yes, he got the tainted variant.

It was subsequently diluted into a saner version, helped along by the Old Gods.
 
[X] Under the assumption that he is warded against divination:
-[X] The primary reason to call on the dragon is that we plan to create and cast a ritual, that will both greatly anger the Sultan of Brass, and likely make him send considerable forces to disrupt it.
-[X] His expertiese and aid in creating the necessary defences for such an endevour would be invaluable.
-[X] Besides the satisfaction in the task itself, the use of any ressources we can offer to it and the aid of our greatest mages and runecrafters, we would offer a subbstantial direct reward
-[X] (X money) and knowledge of Runelore, a form of magic that should be a great boon to anyone wishing to give his magical works endurance and permanence
-[X] Long-term exchange of knowledge on magical defences would be of interest too, mostly to defend our cities in a way that works without causing extreme expanses compared to the low level of use any large, static defence has against magical foes.
--[X] The latter is particularly important against Deep Ones

@DragonParadox
Can Viserys dare a guess how much the first part would cost, with or without Runelore in the deal?

Enough that you will feel it even with your finances, millions of IM, not just to pay him but to make a fortress to his specifications. Runelore would perhaps halve the price of his fee though the cost of the fortress will remain unchanged since you were going to use runes regardless I imagine.
 
[X] All of this is assuming he has a Mindblank:
[X] What we ask for, is insights of his, into fortifications of unusual kind - the sort that might stem the tide of Ilithid forces, and slow/stop the inflitrators of theirs, Devils' or Demons'.
-[X] We also ask for knowledge on how they build defenses - a standing order on that, even, since a large amount of their forces is openly acting as our enemy. Also, on Efreeti fortifications as well.
--[X] For this, we'll pay with unique lore of Plane of Balance pertainng to siegecraft - such works as "Memories of Ghael the Bold" and "Rooted in Stone" are worth much on their own, but you would also pay with general lore on (Knowledge: War) your realm has access to - and offer it in long perspective, up to whatever amount it increases.
-[X] In long term, his expertise may be invaluable to defending agaist the greatest threat Planes may have faced once again - for whatever Void tore the Heavens apart is now collecting forces on fringes of Plane of Balance.
--[X] For this, you'll pay him with access to works of Bran the Builder, and the research that will come out of those soon enough.
---[X] Make a Major Image of the Wall, as well as comprehensive explanatin of wards on other places he built.


Me sleepy still. May change some wording, or let DP interpret it more freely. IDK, but that's what I think is fair enough offer.
---[X] As the first part of the payment, offer the books Memories of Ghael the Bold and Rooted in Stone as examples of the history of warfare in Prime Material, along with what monetary compensation is necessary.
Also add
[] as well as generall war-related lore from Plane of Balance (currently on +9 in our Library)
may save us some (much) bling
 
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Offering runecrafting? Are you kidding me?
No I'm not.

If anyone will keep it to himself it's the ancient dragon we are talking too.

Besides if we don't teach it to him, he won't make use of our full options in designing the planned defences.
Not like we would avoid using runecraft for that project out of sheer paranoia, right?
 
--[X] For this, you'll pay him with access to works of Bran the Builder, and the research that will come out of those soon enough.
---[X] Make a Major Image of the Wall, as well as comprehensive explanatin of wards on other places he built.
Keep in mind that the Wall is build with Runes.

Letting him study that is just a longer way to end up at the same point.
 
Cribbing heavily from @Artemis1992 and @egoo

[X] Under the assumption that he is warded against divination:
-[X] The primary reason to call on the dragon is that we plan to create and cast a ritual, that will both greatly anger the Sultan of Brass, and likely make him send considerable forces to disrupt it.
-[X] His expertise and aid in creating the necessary defenses for such an endeavour would be invaluable.
-[X] Besides the satisfaction in the task itself, the use of any resources we can offer to it and the aid of our greatest mages and runecrafters, we would offer a substantial direct reward. Further, access to fortifications that have held back the local iteration of whatever caused planes to shatter. Speak of Bran the Builder and his work. //Legendary creatures always interest dragons for the potential glimpse into their power and insight, if nothing else.
-[X] Long-term exchange of knowledge on magical defenses would be of interest too, mostly to defend our cities in a way that works without causing extreme expanses compared to the low level of use any large, static defense has against magical foes. Lore of millennia in regards to wars and sieges without magic. //We are in a unique advantage here, people, no one else can offer this. With such, can build a fortress fully within an antimagic field and laugh as enemies flounder.
 
Also add
[] as well as generall war-related lore from Plane of Balance (currently on +9 in our Library)
may save us some (much) bling
Done.
No I'm not.

If anyone will keep it to himself it's the ancient dragon we are talking too.

Besides if we don't teach it to him, he won't make use of our full options in designing the planned defences.
Not like we would avoid using runecraft for that project out of sheer paranoia, right?
You're offering up a huge state secret in our first conversation with him.

If we must we'll consider it later after a working arrangement is established, but definitely not now when we've literally known him for a few minutes.
 
Keep in mind that the Wall is build with Runes.

Letting him study that is just a longer way to end up at the same point.
And?

We aren't giving him the knowledge straight-off, and he'll gain it just as we will.
I see no problem there.

Hell, he might jsut be the greatest Researcher ever to put on Bran-related tasks...
 
You're offering up a huge state secret in our first conversation with him.

If we must we'll consider it later after a working arrangement is established, but definitely not now when we've literally known him for a few minutes.
I am considering it at the relevant point, namely the point where we are talking about how to pay him.

Changing a contract later is something I'll never vote for, so it's now or never.
 
[X] Duesal

So long as we follow up on exchanging lore soon to get isnights in fortifications of Efreeti and Illithids, I don't really have a problem.
We can buy him long-term and have reinforcing all the positions on plane of Balance later.
 
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