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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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One Autumn Leaf said:
Wait so how does that work? You said "we're very close to getting a second one". Does the system keep track of progress or something? Like next month comes around how would that be represented?

Edit:i am just curious about the system. It all seems interesting.
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Yes, the system does keep track of progress. The number you see here will be used next month, and it will be inputted into the formula "as is", including its decimal values. Therefore they will also be part of the calculation, and will influence its result.
And that's how the system keeps track of progress !

For the exact formula, feel free to go into the sheet and click on the boxes. It's reasonably simple (basically there's a chance that each mageling will level (it's 0,15/their current level), so that chance is multiplied by the number you see here, then some additions/subtractions are applied as magelings level (when they level, it effectively does -1 in their column and +1 in the next one), and then DP copy-pastes things around and adds in level 1 magelings to the final table.

NOTE : I learned maths in the French school system, and I'm not sure if I'm using the right terms here. When I say "decimal values", I mean the numbers on the right of the comma.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Yes, the system does keep track of progress. The number you see here will be used next month, and it will be inputted into the formula "as is", including its decimal values. Therefore they will also be part of the calculation, and will influence its result.
And that's how the system keeps track of progress !

For the exact formula, feel free to go into the sheet and click on the boxes. It's reasonably simple (basically there's a chance that each mageling will level (it's 0,15/their current level), so that chance is multiplied by the number you see here, then some additions/subtractions are applied as magelings level (when they level, it effectively does -1 in their column and +1 in the next one), and then DP copy-pastes things around and adds in level 1 magelings to the final table.

NOTE : I learned maths in the French school system, and I'm not sure if I'm using the right terms here. When I say "decimal values", I mean the numbers on the right of the comma.
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It is well made. So for now what I would be focusing on would be the number in the front of the comma, which would be the mages we have. The number after is the percent chance for level up next month. Some weird math magic(I will figure that out after uni) later and we get the mage totals. Got it. It makes DP's life easier at least and I will probably copy it to play around with in my own time.
 
Duesal said:
Why should we try to find excuses for Arryn to keep the Eyrie? He is our enemy, and it's far more politically sound to grant the castle to loyalists instead.
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Not for keeping the Eyrie, but if he surrenders and convert(or more like if his mother do) then that should be rewarded, which mean giving him a lesser keep, when we take the Eyrie from him.
DragonParadox said:
The Old Gods do not care about worship and never have, they care about keeping to their laws and that is it, you can worship whatever you like, or nothing at all as far as they are concerned
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Graftons getting off the list of houses to destroy, was explicitly because he converted, and spilt blood before a Heart tree, they may not care about worship in general, but they do care about worship in those specific cases, as while they don't want the worship, they do want the anger, having prominent Andal houses convert cause the Seven.

So the old gods should care, if Robin Arryn before a Heart Tree sacrificed a bit of his blood, and gave a solemn oath to never again pray to the Seven, they wouldn't care whether the religion he switched to was theirs, Rh'llor, Yss, or even the Storm god, but they would care that one of the Andal houses forswore the Seven.

The whole thing is about punishing the Seven, so an Andal House forswearing the Seven before a Heart tree, and bringing a minor sacrifice as an apology for what their ancestors did, should be almost as good as destroying a House, the fact that the old gods don't want worship, just mean that Andal houses who take this path, can pick any gods except the Seven as their new gods.
 
tarrangar said:
Not for keeping the Eyrie, but if he surrenders and convert(or more like if his mother do) then that should be rewarded, which mean giving him a lesser keep, when we take the Eyrie from him.

Graftons getting off the list of houses to destroy, was explicitly because he converted, and spilt blood before a Heart tree, they may not care about worship in general, but they do care about worship in those specific cases, as while they don't want the worship, they do want the anger, having prominent Andal houses convert cause the Seven.

So the old gods should care, if Robin Arryn before a Heart Tree sacrificed a bit of his blood, and gave a solemn oath to never again pray to the Seven, they wouldn't care whether the religion he switched to was theirs, Rh'llor, Yss, or even the Storm god, but they would care that one of the Andal houses forswore the Seven.

The whole thing is about punishing the Seven, so an Andal House forswearing the Seven before a Heart tree, and bringing a minor sacrifice as an apology for what their ancestors did, should be almost as good as destroying a House, the fact that the old gods don't want worship, just mean that Andal houses who take this path, can pick any gods except the Seven as their new gods.
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The Old Gods cared about Grafton's sacrifice, they cared about him not worshiping the Seven, but not about him worshiping them in particular. The same could work for an Aryn sure,but it would be much, much more difficult because Aryns did far more harm to the Old Gods.
 
Nickan said:
@tarrangarThey rebelled and unlike the Starks, did not even have a halfway decent reason.
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Well, Aerys did kind of demand that he give up his two wards, who he saw as surrogate sons, which would have undoubtedly led to their deaths, and no doubt tortured ones at that.

Jon Arryn isn't/wasn't a friend of ours, sure, but to say he had no good(or even halfway decent) reason to rebel isn't true.
 
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tarrangar said:
Graftons getting off the list of houses to destroy, was explicitly because he converted, and spilt blood before a Heart tree, they may not care about worship in general, but they do care about worship in those specific cases, as while they don't want the worship, they do want the anger, having prominent Andal houses convert cause the Seven.

So the old gods should care, if Robin Arryn before a Heart Tree sacrificed a bit of his blood, and gave a solemn oath to never again pray to the Seven, they wouldn't care whether the religion he switched to was theirs, Rh'llor, Yss, or even the Storm god, but they would care that one of the Andal houses forswore the Seven.

The whole thing is about punishing the Seven, so an Andal House forswearing the Seven before a Heart tree, and bringing a minor sacrifice as an apology for what their ancestors did, should be almost as good as destroying a House, the fact that the old gods don't want worship, just mean that Andal houses who take this path, can pick any gods except the Seven as their new gods.
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And the reason we care about trying to spare the Graftons is because they're loyalists.

We have no reason to make the same efforts for the Arryns.
 
Duesal said:
And the reason we care about trying to spare the Graftons is because they're loyalists.

We have no reason to make the same efforts for the Arryns.
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Yeah pretty much. If I recall our plans for the longest time was to simply make the Old Gods calm enough that we could spare Loyalist Houses while annihilating anyone who stepped out of line/ rebelled against us.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
It is well made. So for now what I would be focusing on would be the number in the front of the comma, which would be the mages we have. The number after is the percent chance for level up next month. Some weird math magic(I will figure that out after uni) later and we get the mage totals. Got it. It makes DP's life easier at least and I will probably copy it to play around with in my own time.
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The bolded sentence is wrong. It isn't that direct. However, it is true that the higher that number gets, the highest our odds of getting another one are.

egoo said:
Uh... Is that levels alone, levels and new mages from 3 months of Scholarum, or what?
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It is a general recap of every mageling we have, from SD, Naath and Tyrosh, and it includes all level-ups and new magelings.

AFAIK, at least.

DP may make a list of the changes compared to last month if he wants to. Otherwise you can do some substractions yourself and figure it out ;)
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Ahh okay. Got it. Again I will probably play around with it to figure out the intricacies...also might borrow some of it for my own excel assignments...
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A warning : please don't mess with the sheet (don't change things please). Make a copy instead, and mess with the copy!

Oh, and note that my sheet design itself isn't anything amazing. Google is full of way more complex and cleanly designed Excel sheets, often used for personal accounting or something.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
A warning : please don't mess with the sheet (don't change things please). Make a copy instead, and mess with the copy!

Oh, and note that my sheet design itself isn't anything amazing. Google is full of way more complex and cleanly designed Excel sheets, often used for personal accounting or something.
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You should make your own personal copy just in case.
 
DragonParadox said:
The Old Gods cared about Grafton's sacrifice, they cared about him not worshiping the Seven, but not about him worshiping them in particular. The same could work for an Aryn sure,but it would be much, much more difficult because Aryns did far more harm to the Old Gods.
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I did say that they would be just as happy about him converting to another god, the old gods basically care about Andal houses converting away from the Seven, and Andal Houses bringing them sacrifices as reparations.

So if Robin Arryn want land in the Vale, he would have to find a god to worship that isn't the Seven, and he would have to collect some sacrifices to the old gods.

If he want land elsewhere, he would have to change his name, and he would have to earn it on his own merits.
Duesal said:
And the reason we care about trying to spare the Graftons is because they're loyalists.

We have no reason to make the same efforts for the Arryns.
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That depends entirely on how the invasion go down, if they fight us we have no reason to make any effort for the Arryns, if they surrender however, we have reason to make such a effort, that reason being that we want it known, that surrendering will get you a lesser punishment, if we force Robin to take the Black after he surrender, then we wont send that message at all, as the Black is seen as an alternative to death, so demanding he take the Black, is only 1 step below executing him.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Sorry Crake, but I have nitpicks:
1. The word "erase" felt anachronistic and out of place. Perhaps this is me being stupid, but... Etymologically, the word is the sort that only learned and literate sorts would have used (it was a heraldic term, and then a writing one).
2. Would we have called our thing a "Union" ? Really ? I think not.
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I'll adjust that later I suppose.
 
Vote closed, time for some Dornish politics
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jun 26, 2019 at 3:37 PM, finished with 85 posts and 8 votes.
  • [X] "I could but speculate with nothing more than rumor and hearsay to judge by. It could be the result of a curse broken, a deal made, or a boon granted...all are possible, and each presents a conundrum. Who laid such a powerful curse to begin with and who was able to break it, who made the deal and what was the cost, or who granted the boon and how was such a reward earned?"
    -[X] "We would be best served to wait until more reliable information is available before making any assumptions."
    -[X] Yohn Royce also has his own demons, or devils as the case may be, to battle, and you should be wise to lend him any aid as you close to the time of invasion.
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