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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TotallyNotEvil said:
@Goldfish I think a more candid opener is called for. Something to the nature of "there's something else, regarding Valyria, but I know I was shaken enough upon witnessing the truth about the Spheres that I needed a few days to parse it. Second hand account or not, this sort of news for anyone who knew Heaven existed for a fact is more than a little disturbing. If you want to know now, I will tell you, but at the same time, I'd council waiting a while. It's something you should know, but there's no immediate need."

And if he chooses to wait a bit, then just say to not venture too deep into Valyria.

Just Adult, two more RHD to go.

If we didn't give them to the people of note, then it's 38 + 14 = 52, not 62.
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Plan updated.

[X] Tell Zherys of the Fifteenth
-[X] Caution Zherys that we have one last piece of troubling information to share with him, something which we are still coming to terms with months after learning it. We can tell him now, or wait a few days or weeks if he wishes to have some time to contemplate and come to terms with the grim news we have already shared. The situation won't change any time soon.
-[X] If he wishes to be told;
--[X] Warn him that we have kept this information highly restricted and those few who know it are protected by the strongest of wards against Divination and mental tampering.
---[X] Explain what we learned from Syrax of the Valyrian gods, the 15th in particular, including its conceptual link to all that is Valyrian in origin and the eventual necessity to destroy the mad god if we are ever to escape the cycle of corruption and pointless destruction which its influence forced upon our ancestors.
 
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@DragonParadox , I feel the need to ask you something about Valyria:

You said that Valyrians were mostly unbothered by religion, that they were basically atheists. Yet they knew of the state of the spheres. They knew that, without a godly realm to go to, they would end up in the lower planes, for there was no heaven to go to.

Why did most of them choose to not end up in the realms of one of their gods, instead choosing to go to the lower planes?
 
Goldfish said:
-[X] Caution Zherys that we have one last piece of troubling information to share with him. We can tell him now, or wait a few days or weeks if he wishes to have some time to contemplate and come to terms with the grim news we have already shared. The situation won't change any time soon.
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Perhaps add Viserys saying he certainly needs some time off after seeing it first hand. Show a little vulnerability, so Zherys feels "safe" to also do the same.
 
Tomcost said:
@DragonParadox , I feel the need to ask you something about Valyria:

You said that Valyrians were mostly unbothered by religion, that they were basically atheists. Yet they knew of the state of the spheres. They knew that, without a godly realm to go to, they would end up in the lower planes, for there was no heaven to go to.

Why did most of them choose to not end up in the realms of one of their gods, instead choosing to go to the lower planes?
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How about we ask Syrax?

EDIT : Or maybe they built a megastructure for that, kinda like what the Eldar do in 40k to avoid being taking by Slaanesh.

Or, you know, maybe it was a state secret for some reason (maybe linked to the 15th meddling?). They didn't use summons or elementals in combat, either. Planar boundaries were probably different...
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
How about we ask Syrax?

EDIT : Or maybe they built a megastructure for that, kinda like what the Eldar do in 40k to avoid being taking by Slaanesh.

Or, you know, maybe it was a state secret for some reason (maybe linked to the 15th meddling?). They didn't use summons or elementals in combat, either. Planar boundaries were probably different...
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I have no problems about asking this IC. But it is a huge inconsistency that I need answered at some point. Valyrians were assholes, but they were not stupid. At least not so much as to doom themselves to eternal suffering.
 
Tomcost said:
@DragonParadox , I feel the need to ask you something about Valyria:

You said that Valyrians were mostly unbothered by religion, that they were basically atheists. Yet they knew of the state of the spheres. They knew that, without a godly realm to go to, they would end up in the lower planes, for there was no heaven to go to.

Why did most of them choose to not end up in the realms of one of their gods, instead choosing to go to the lower planes?
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You have to keep in mind that not all of Valyria knew about the state of the planes, Malarys certainly did not for instance. As for those that did, the archmages the high nobles of the Fourteen...well many of them planed to live forever (though they did add some offerings to the gods just in case).
 
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  • [X] Tell Zherys of the Fifteenth
    -[X] Caution Zherys that we have one last piece of troubling information to share with him, something which we are still coming to terms with months after learning it. We can tell him now, or wait a few days or weeks if he wishes to have some time to contemplate and come to terms with the grim news we have already shared. The situation won't change any time soon.
    -[X] If he wishes to be told;
    --[X] Warn him that we have kept this information highly restricted and those few who know it are protected by the strongest of wards against Divination and mental tampering.
    ---[X] Explain what we learned from Syrax of the Valyrian gods, the 15th in particular, including its conceptual link to all that is Valyrian in origin and the eventual necessity to destroy the mad god if we are ever to escape the cycle of corruption and pointless destruction which its influence forced upon our ancestors.
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DragonParadox said:
You have to keep in mind that not all of Valyria knew about the state of the planes, Malarys certainly did not for instance. As for those that did, the archmages the high nobles of the Fourteen...well many of them planed to live forever (though they did add some offerings to the gods just in case).
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Ahh the "I just won't die" approach to your problems. I can respect that
 
Goldfish said:
@Artemis1992, @TotallyNotEvil, Did one more update on the extended Dracolexi. Changed True Casting to Assay Spell Resistance in the Arcaniss word, with a subsequent increase in spell slot expended, and removed the Charisma damage from it and Pok if their alternative powers are used.
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The Timestop should propably cause damage, but that's just details.

[] Saenena
-[] Dracolexi
-[] +1 Cha
-[] +1 Bluff, Diplomacy, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Sense Motive, Spellcraft
-[] 1 Level 8 Spell: Bigby's Clenched Fist – Spell – D&D Tools
-[] Familiar???
 
Artemis1992 said:
The Timestop should propably cause damage, but that's just details.

[] Saenena
-[] Dracolexi
-[] +1 Cha
-[] +1 Bluff, Diplomacy, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Sense Motive, Spellcraft
-[] 1 Level 8 Spell: Bigby's Clenched Fist – Spell – D&D Tools
-[] Familiar???
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Either a Pseudodragon or her Calligraphy Wyrm for the familiar.

With our familiar ritual she can just pick out whichever one she wants right away.
Artemis1992 said:
Not worth it then.

Could she do the Aspect of the Platinum Dragon?
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What? No. She's of the blood of the Red Dragons. Why would she be able to do the Aspect of the Platinum Dragon?

Fluff matters, she can't just randomly do that.
 
Duesal said:
What? No. She's of the blood of the Red Dragons. Why would she be able to do the Aspect of the Platinum Dragon?

Fluff matters, she can't just randomly do that.
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It's a spell.

Any Sorcerer, no matter what bloodline, with the spell could do it.
Just like anyone can use the Aspect of Tiamat with the appropriate spell.

Besides, I don't want her to use that form, just interested if she could.
 
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Canon Omake: The story of Falabix the golden dragon, Part II
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    • The story of Falabix the golden dragon.

    Chapter 2.

    Having temporarily stored his first treasure in his Hoard, Falabix flew back to his future den. Ready to spend the day observing the great beast currently inhabiting it.

    As he returned he saw that the beast was waking up, but hadn't left his den yet. He had to admit that it was even more intimidating when it was awake.

    As it left his den he saw that it was deceptively quick and maneuverable for its great size.

    Moving so fast that it took effort for him to keep up with it, and turning far faster than anything so big had any right to.

    It was darting across the forest collecting giant hard things he thought might be nuts.

    This he thought might be the key to defeating the beast. It clearly valued these things greatly, so he might be able to lead it into a trap using them as bait.

    Now the problem just became, what kind of trap could he create. Especially one that could trap a creature so great as this one?

    He pondered this, and while he observed it continuing to collect nuts, the sun began to go down. Causing it to return to his den.

    Angry at once again seeing the beast claim what by all rights should be his den, Falabix flew out into the forest to look for things to make a trap with.

    He knew the simplest way to kill it might be to do it in the den, but he was not sure he would be able to move the carcass before it began to stink, and he had no wish for his den to stink of rotten meat, nor did he want the smell to attract more giant creatures. This time predators.

    So even if it might be the harder path, the beast would have to die elsewhere. Which meant he would have to find somewhere suitable to trap it, bait for the trap, and things to make the trap out of.

    Falabix decided that the first thing he should do was to locate a place to trap the beast. He flew around looking for it, when suddenly a monstrous bird attacked him!

    Falabix dodged its first try at snapping him up, but the bird was persistent. For all that Falabix was a fast flier he couldn't throw it off, but as it was gaining on him, and Falabix was sure he was about to be eaten, he spotted a giant anthill.

    Normally Falabix wouldn't want to enter a place that might house thousand of foes, but when the alternative was being eaten his path was clear. So Falabix quickly located and entered a hole in the anthill.

    Within the anthill it was dark and the corridor was cramped, but at least it wasn't a birds stomach. Nevertheless he would like to get out soon, but there wasn't room for him to turn around, and he had no plans to try going out backwards. The bird might still be out there after all, and it might catch him before he could evade it.

    So Falabix walked forward in the cramped corridor. He quickly arrived at a split in the road, and that was when he was spotted. Five ants were coming from the left path, and as soon as they saw him they began to make noise with their mandibles and charge at him.

    Not wanting to fight them, especially when reinforcements might be here any second, Falabix fled down the other path. Unfortunately for him this path turned out to be a dead end. Luckily it was spacious enough for Falabix to turn around, but now he would have to fight the ants, and however many reinforcements they could bring.

    When the first ant reached Falabix he jumped forward and bit half its head off instantly killing it. The next ant he raked with his claw inflicting a debilitating injury.

    But while he did this the third ant sprayed some liquid on him. The liquid didn't hurt, but it got in his eyes making it harder to see. Half blind Falabix went into a rage, tearing the ants apart, but taking some hits in the process. Within moments he had killed the ants, but he could already hear more coming.

    So Falabix quickly charged down the corridor hoping to get out before they got there, but it was not to be. Just before he got back to the fork more ants arrived.

    Falabix fought bravely, but with the endless waves of ants he found himself getting overwhelmed. In desperation he let out a great roar, and for the first time in his young life breathed fire! The anthill began to burn, and the ants were forced to retreat. Unfortunately before Falabix could get out the corridor collapsed on him.

    Falabix struggled but he couldn't get the debris off him, and as the seconds passed his struggles grew weaker, until he could feel everything going black. At last he exhausted the last of his strenght and passed out.

    Here we have a new chapter in the story of Falabix, once again betaed by zxzx24
     
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    • Artemis1992 said:
    It's a spell.

    Any Sorcerer, no matter what bloodline, with the spell could do it.
    Just like anyone can use the Aspect of Tiamat with the appropriate spell.

    Besides, I don't want her to use that form, just interested if she could.
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    We're working within the quest, and from DP's reply to you above it's clear that those spells are linked to the relevant gods. Aspect of the Chromatic Dragon I can understand Valyrians being able to cast even if it's a terrible idea, but Aspect of the Platinum Dragon should frankly be barred unless something happens to establish a connection of some sort.

    Also there's an alignment restriction to even being able to cast that particular spell, so it's a moot point for Saenena.
     
    'Aspect of' anything seems like a bad idea. Tiamat might very well try to puppet/influence the resulting form and I hardly trust the Good counterpart to be any better.

    Unless we can ignore the fluff and treat such just as a powerful polymorph effect.

    Dany already commented not liking her Half-Celestial template for overlong, because such causes her to feel weird, alien emotions. How much worse would this be?
     
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    Artemis1992 said:
    The Timestop should propably cause damage, but that's just details.

    [] Saenena
    -[] Dracolexi
    -[] +1 Cha
    -[] +1 Bluff, Diplomacy, Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Sense Motive, Spellcraft
    -[] 1 Level 8 Spell: Bigby's Clenched Fist – Spell – D&D Tools
    -[] Familiar???
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    I was hoping to do a bit of a rebuild for her. She's in a better place mentally, no longer needs to hide her research from Valyrian authorities, and is much better geared, allowing her some leeway with her spell selection. Simultaneously, she's in a much more dangerous time, where she may be called to participate in combat much more frequently than in ages past.

    She needs to be able to fight creatures with high Spell Resistance, so ASR is essential. Teleport is no longer needed as a known spell because she has a pair of Boots of the Wide Earth, and many of her various obscuring spells are largely superfluous now. They'll be almost completely useless once we get her a Mind Blank item.

    I thought we could go with something different for her 8th level spell. She lived in fear of the Valyrian authorities learning of her research, so what if she chose to embrace that fear and make it her own power, now that they are no longer around to be her personal boogeymen? Unyielding Form of Inevitable Death is a great spell with some really neat abilities, and I could totally see a Marut working as a reskinned Valyrian Mage Hunter Construct, one far and away superior to a regular Seeker Bio-Construct.

    [] Saenena Level Up
    -[] Class: +1 Dracolexi
    -[] Attribute: +1 Charisma
    -[] Skills (7 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Concentration, +1 Diplomacy, +1 Knowledge (Arcana), +1 Spellcraft, +6 Sense Motive
    --[] Retrained (+4 points): -4 Disguise
    -[] Spells:
    --[] 1st Level:
    ---[] Retrain: Erase >>> Scholar's Touch, Magic Aura >>> Shield
    --[] 2nd Level:
    ---[] Retrain: Misdirection >>> Wings of Cover
    --[] 4th Level:
    ---[] Retrain: Communal Nondetection >>> Assay Spell Resistance
    --[] 5th Level:
    ---[] Retrain: Teleport >>> Fiery Tentacles
    --[] 6th Level: Brilliant Inspiration, Mass Suggestion
    --[] 8th Level: Unyielding Form of Inevitable Death (reskinned to appear as Valyrian Mage Hunter Construct)
    -[] Familiar: Pseudodragon

    TotallyNotEvil said:
    Oh yeah, I did say the Invoke Magic one didn't need it. Time Stop should retain it.
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    Added it back in for Time Stop.
     
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    Goldfish said:
    --[] 5th Level:
    ---[] Retrain: Teleport >>> Fiery Tentacles
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    Fiery Tentacles! :o

    Also @Goldfish, did you have a chance to look at my Relath levelup proposal?
    Duesal said:
    @Goldfish, so Relath is gaining his second Sorcerer level, going from CL 6 to CL 7.

    If I'm not mistaken, he gains a first level, second level, and third level spell.

    With that in mind, here's what I was thinking. Your thoughts?

    [] Relath Level Up
    -[] +1 Level Sorcerer
    --[] Spells:
    ---[] 1st Level: Between Nerveskitter and Shield
    ---[] 2nd Level: Wings of Cover
    ---[] 3rd Level: Between Primal Instinct and Dispel Magic
    --[] Skillpoints (5 points):
    ---[] More or less put everything into Spellcraft and Concentration along with retraining from Survival and Swim for this.
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