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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Proposed level ups for Waymar and Tyene. I agree with @TalonofAnathrax that neither of them need fancy new PRCs. The ones they already have are incredibly powerful, and neither of their base classes are bad at all.

Ward Shield is a pretty nice spell for Waymar. It lets him give himself or others quite decent Spell Resistance, which can come in handy is he's out on a mission long enough for his Persistomancy to elapse. The best part of the spell, however, is the untyped +5 bonus to Reflex saving throws he gets against AoE spells. That's really great, especially since Reflex is Waymar's worst saving throw despite having superhuman Dexterity.

Greater Angelic Aspect is a ridiculously good self buff spell for Tyene. It's loaded with great effects, including DR 10/Evil, Immunity to Acid, Electricity, and Petrification, a double strength and double wide Magic Circle Against Evil which also serves as a mobile Lesser Globe of Invulnerability, a useful flight speed, and a Tongues effect. It doesn't hurt that she can use it to pass as an Angel.

[] Vee Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Warden of the Wilds
-[] Feat: Superior Summoning
-[] Skills (8 points): +1 Concentration, +1 Handle Animal, +1 Heal, +1 Spellcraft, +4 Knowledge (Nature)
-[] Spells:
--[] 1st Level:
---[] Retrain: Magic Fang >>> Moment of Greatness
--[] 2nd Level:
---[] Retrain: Hold Person >>> Elation
--[] 5th Level: Revivify
---[] Retrain: Flaywind Burst >>> True Seeing
--[] 6th Level: Stone Body
--[] 7th Level: Particulate Form

[] Waymar Level Up
-[] Attribute: +1 Dexterity
-[] Class: +1 Duskblade
-[] Skills (5 points): +1 Concentration, +1 Craft(Alchemy), +1 Knowledge(The Planes), +2 Knowledge(Arcana)
-[] Spell:
--[] 4th Level: Ward Shield

[] Tyene Level Up
-[] Attribute: +1 Wisdom
-[] Class: Mystic
-[] Skills (4 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Concentration, +1 Diplomacy, +1 Sense Motive
-[] Spell:
--[] 8th Level: Greater Angelic Aspect
---[] Domain: Screen, Sunburst

[] Saenena Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Dracolexi
-[] Attribute: +1 Charisma
-[] Skills (7 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Concentration, +1 Diplomacy, +1 Knowledge (Arcana), +1 Spellcraft, +6 Sense Motive
--[] Retrained (+4 points): -4 Disguise
-[] Spells:
--[] 1st Level:
---[] Retrain: Erase >>> Scholar's Touch, Magic Aura >>> Shield
--[] 2nd Level:
---[] Retrain: Misdirection >>> Wings of Cover
--[] 4th Level:
---[] Retrain: Communal Nondetection >>> Assay Spell Resistance
--[] 5th Level:
---[] Retrain: Teleport >>> Fiery Tentacles
--[] 6th Level: Brilliant Inspiration, Mass Suggestion
--[] 8th Level: Unyielding Form of Inevitable Death (reskinned to appear as Valyrian Mage Hunter Construct)
-[] Familiar: Pseudodragon

[] Amelath Level Up
-[] Racial Hit Dice: +1 (Loredrake: d10 HD, +2 Sorcerer caster levels)
-[] Skills (9 points): +1 Concentration, +1 Diplomacy, +1 Intimidate, Knowledge(Arcana), +1 Knowledge(The Planes), +1 Listen, +1 Sense Motive, +1 Spellcraft, +1 Spot
-[] Spells:
--[] 5th Level: Bloodsteel Chains

[] Relath Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Sorcerer
-[] Skills (5 points): +1 Bluff, +1 Diplomacy, +1 Sense Motive, +1 Listen, +1 Spot, +2 Concentration, +3 Spellcraft
-[] Retrain (+5 points): -5 Survival
-[] Spells:
--[] 1st Level: Shield
--[] 2nd Level: Wings of Cover
--[] 3rd Level: Primal Instinct

[] Mereth Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Steel Fury
-[] Skills (8 points): +1 Sense Motive, +1 Spot, +2 Diplomacy, +2 Intimidate, +2 Sleight of Hand
-[] Maneuvers: Replace Sudden Gust with Iron Wind
-[] Lesson of Dis: Gain Uncanny Dodge ability which can be used in Medium and Heavy armor.
 
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Duesal said:
Khal Rhango was considerably more desperate and made a gamble to save his khalasar, for which I salute him. The Orphne King is in a much different position.
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And yet the basic mentality of responsibly transferring protection to a better deal could be the same.

I'm not saying they're in the same scenario but we've seen people deliberately take a personal loss to better their people, maybe he's just not that self centred.
 
Duesal said:
@Goldfish, I believe @TotallyNotEvil was working something out with DP for Tyene to have access to all features of her class at all times instead of constantly losing access to part of it. Can we work that out first?
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No, @TotallyNotEvil and I already worked that out before passing it on to DP for approval, which he gave. She isn't able to use all three aspect of her PRC (Sand, Sun, Poison) simultaneously, but she can switch between them much more quickly now. Here's the new text of her PRC;
Evershifting Sands: The Sand Snake is flexible. She uses cunning in the place of raw power and she can adapt to any situation. Upon meditating for one hour, she may align herself with one of the following Paths. At level 10, she may choose to switch her chosen Path as a Full Round Action which leaves her Staggered for one minute. She may switch Paths a number of times per month equal to her Wisdom modifier.
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Goldfish said:
No, @TotallyNotEvil and I already worked that out before passing it on to DP for approval, which he gave. She isn't able to use all three aspect of her PRC (Sand, Sun, Poison) simultaneously, but she can switch between them much more quickly now. Here's the new text of her PRC;
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Staggered, ouch.

It does however make for amazing narrative moments as she draws deep on her ability to adapt but needs to be carried away while she focuses on channeling the new power.

Casting from half prone on the back of someone else's mount.

Well done to the three of you.
 
Deliste said:
Staggered, ouch.

It does however make for amazing narrative moments as she draws deep on her ability to adapt but needs to be carried away while she focuses on channeling the new power.

Casting from half prone on the back of someone else's mount.

Well done to the three of you.
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Yeah, a bit harsh, but an acceptable compromise to allow her to switch Paths in an emergency situation.
 
Duesal said:
@Goldfish, I believe @TotallyNotEvil was working something out with DP for Tyene to have access to all features of her class at all times instead of constantly losing access to part of it. Can we work that out first?
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Oh, that was already incorporated into the updating of her class.

She has poison immunity at all times (which isn't new, actually, I've got that on a long while ago), but now she can change in a round.
DragonParadox said:
"There are worse qualities to find in lords than timidity," the former queen replied. Neither of them needed a reminder of what those were
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Didn't Dany say the same thing?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Jun 21, 2019 at 2:15 AM, finished with 67 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Vassalization Offer
    -[X] OOC: Frame our offer to the Orphne Court as an opportunity to bind their story to our own, to the rise of the Imperium, and to its continued prosperity.
    --[X] OOC: The Court of Shadows is new, as Fey Courts go, just as the Imperium is a new nation upon the Plane of Balance. Both are made up of much older beings/institutions/cities, but together they form something new and truly worthy of their tales.
    -[X] We Offer:
    --[X] Offer monetary aid on any of their current projects (within reason (hard cap of ~25,000 IM), and with the understanding that said aid may be delayed for a few months until we get the funds needed, though if it's 15,000 IM or less it can be given immediately).
    --[X] 500 lbs. of Adamantine to use as they please (which we can fabricate for them as a finishing touch of this gift)
    --[X] Five of Irony's half-gorgon offspring gifted to them so long as they promise they will be well cared for
    --[X] Access to the Shadow Tower (provided the rules set by Lya and Teana are followed)
    --[X] Access to the full library of lore that other vassals are granted access to (not runecrafting, Lya's soul-lore, or Heart Tree rituals, those three are very much a case-by-case basis), though we request lore on the Fey and Feywild in turn.
    --[X] Full access to Sorcerer's Deep and thus the Terminus to markets in the Plane of Earth and the Plane of Air.
    --[X] Recognition for the fey of the Orphne Court as mages of the Imperium with the benefits that entail (but also the responsibilities)
    --[X] Eventually when our enchanters can manage, offer to craft the Orphne King a full set of gear (possibly months away, but still a notable offer)
    --[X] The right to call on Viserys or the Companions if there is any dire emergency
    -[X] We Ask
    --[X] The same terms given to Moonsong -- vassalization for as long as the Imperium stands
    --[X] Our laws are always to be heeded and followed.
    --[X] The Orphne King continues to pass intel to us, just as he learned of the Court of Stars, though at a more accelerated pace, doing away with the payment of intel for intel. In return he will be kept up to date on all important things we learn which we share with our other vassals.
    ---[X] They will be asked to work closely with Garin and the Inquisition, as well as Alysande and the Silver Eye, along with cooperating with Imperial Officials in general.
    ---[X] OOC: While they will be expected to uphold the responsibilities of any vassal, including taxes whatever form they take, it should be kept in mind that they can in turn expect all the rights and rewards of being vassals (protection, aid in infrastructure, freedom of movement in the Imperium, etc).
    --[X] What aid they can give in future wars as we expect of all our vassals (we ask out of necessity -- the coming wars are a matter of survival and we need to stand as one)
    ---[X] Promise you won't be needlessly reckless with their lives, but nonetheless they will be asked to do dangerous things.
    -[X] Maidenpool Vote
    --[X] Tyene will observe the pair of Golden Shield agents from afar, perusing their thoughts using Brain Spider. She will seek to learn all she can of the agents themselves, what kind of magic they possess and how powerful it is, and what their true mission here in Maidenpool is.
    [X] Visit the Orphne Court, exchange some pleasentries then once a suitable opportunity presents itself, challenge the Orphne King to another Duel
    - [X] If we win, he becomes our Vassal for as long as our Imperium endures
    -- [X] After our win, present Duesal's proposal as our idea of his vassalage
    -[X] If he wins, he gets another shadow from us and access to the Shadow Tower even without swearing an oath of vassalage as long as he sticks to the rules
    [X] Vassalization Offer
    -[X] OOC: Frame our offer to the Orphne Court as an opportunity to bind their story to our own, to the rise of the Imperium, and to its continued prosperity.
    --[X] OOC: The Court of Shadows is new, as Fey Courts go, just as the Imperium is a new nation upon the Plane of Balance. Both are made up of much older beings/institutions/cities, but together they form something new and truly worthy of their tales.
    -[X] We Offer:
    --[X] Offer monetary aid on any of their current projects (within reason (hard cap of ~25,000 IM), and with the understanding that said aid may be delayed for a few months until we get the funds needed, though if it's 15,000 IM or less it can be given immediately).
    --[X] 500 lbs. of Adamantine to use as they please (which we can fabricate for them as a finishing touch of this gift)
    --[X] Five of Irony's half-gorgon offspring gifted to them so long as they promise they will be well cared for
    --[X] Access to the Shadow Tower (provided the rules set by Lya and Teana are followed)
    --[X] Access to the full library of lore that other vassals are granted access to (not runecrafting, Lya's soul-lore, or Heart Tree rituals, those three are very much a case-by-case basis), though we request lore on the Fey and Feywild in turn.
    --[X] Full access to Sorcerer's Deep and thus the Terminus to markets in the Plane of Earth and the Plane of Air.
    --[X] Recognition for the fey of the Orphne Court as mages of the Imperium with the benefits that entail (but also the responsibilities)
    --[X] Eventually when our enchanters can manage, offer to craft the Orphne King a full set of gear (possibly months away, but still a notable offer)
    --[X] The right to call on Viserys or the Companions if there is any dire emergency
    -[X] We Ask
    --[X] The same terms given to Moonsong -- vassalization for as long as the Imperium stands
    --[X] Our laws are always to be heeded and followed.
    --[X] The Orphne King continues to pass intel to us, just as he learned of the Court of Stars, though at a more accelerated pace, doing away with the payment of intel for intel. In return he will be kept up to date on all important things we learn which we share with our other vassals.
    ---[X] They will be asked to work closely with Garin and the Inquisition, as well as Alysande and the Silver Eye, along with cooperating with Imperial Officials in general.
    ---[X] OOC: While they will be expected to uphold the responsibilities of any vassal, including taxes whatever form they take, it should be kept in mind that they can in turn expect all the rights and rewards of being vassals (protection, aid in infrastructure, freedom of movement in the Imperium, etc).
    --[X] What aid they can give in future wars as we expect of all our vassals (we ask out of necessity -- the coming wars are a matter of survival and we need to stand as one)
    ---[X] Promise you won't be needlessly reckless with their lives, but nonetheless they will be asked to do dangerous things.
    -[X] Maidenpool Vote
    --[X] Tyene will observe the pair of Golden Shield agents from afar, perusing their thoughts using Brain Spider. She will seek to learn all she can of the agents themselves, what kind of magic they possess and how powerful it is, and what their true mission here in Maidenpool is.
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Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Jun 21, 2019 at 2:15 AM, finished with 67 posts and 14 votes.
  • [X] Vassalization Offer
    -[X] OOC: Frame our offer to the Orphne Court as an opportunity to bind their story to our own, to the rise of the Imperium, and to its continued prosperity.
    --[X] OOC: The Court of Shadows is new, as Fey Courts go, just as the Imperium is a new nation upon the Plane of Balance. Both are made up of much older beings/institutions/cities, but together they form something new and truly worthy of their tales.
    -[X] We Offer:
    --[X] Offer monetary aid on any of their current projects (within reason (hard cap of ~25,000 IM), and with the understanding that said aid may be delayed for a few months until we get the funds needed, though if it's 15,000 IM or less it can be given immediately).
    --[X] 500 lbs. of Adamantine to use as they please (which we can fabricate for them as a finishing touch of this gift)
    --[X] Five of Irony's half-gorgon offspring gifted to them so long as they promise they will be well cared for
    --[X] Access to the Shadow Tower (provided the rules set by Lya and Teana are followed)
    --[X] Access to the full library of lore that other vassals are granted access to (not runecrafting, Lya's soul-lore, or Heart Tree rituals, those three are very much a case-by-case basis), though we request lore on the Fey and Feywild in turn.
    --[X] Full access to Sorcerer's Deep and thus the Terminus to markets in the Plane of Earth and the Plane of Air.
    --[X] Recognition for the fey of the Orphne Court as mages of the Imperium with the benefits that entail (but also the responsibilities)
    --[X] Eventually when our enchanters can manage, offer to craft the Orphne King a full set of gear (possibly months away, but still a notable offer)
    --[X] The right to call on Viserys or the Companions if there is any dire emergency
    -[X] We Ask
    --[X] The same terms given to Moonsong -- vassalization for as long as the Imperium stands
    --[X] Our laws are always to be heeded and followed.
    --[X] The Orphne King continues to pass intel to us, just as he learned of the Court of Stars, though at a more accelerated pace, doing away with the payment of intel for intel. In return he will be kept up to date on all important things we learn which we share with our other vassals.
    ---[X] They will be asked to work closely with Garin and the Inquisition, as well as Alysande and the Silver Eye, along with cooperating with Imperial Officials in general.
    ---[X] OOC: While they will be expected to uphold the responsibilities of any vassal, including taxes whatever form they take, it should be kept in mind that they can in turn expect all the rights and rewards of being vassals (protection, aid in infrastructure, freedom of movement in the Imperium, etc).
    --[X] What aid they can give in future wars as we expect of all our vassals (we ask out of necessity -- the coming wars are a matter of survival and we need to stand as one)
    ---[X] Promise you won't be needlessly reckless with their lives, but nonetheless they will be asked to do dangerous things.
    -[X] Maidenpool Vote
    --[X] Tyene will observe the pair of Golden Shield agents from afar, perusing their thoughts using Brain Spider. She will seek to learn all she can of the agents themselves, what kind of magic they possess and how powerful it is, and what their true mission here in Maidenpool is.
    [X] Visit the Orphne Court, exchange some pleasentries then once a suitable opportunity presents itself, challenge the Orphne King to another Duel
    - [X] If we win, he becomes our Vassal for as long as our Imperium endures
    -- [X] After our win, present Duesal's proposal as our idea of his vassalage
    -[X] If he wins, he gets another shadow from us and access to the Shadow Tower even without swearing an oath of vassalage as long as he sticks to the rules
    [X] Vassalization Offer
    -[X] OOC: Frame our offer to the Orphne Court as an opportunity to bind their story to our own, to the rise of the Imperium, and to its continued prosperity.
    --[X] OOC: The Court of Shadows is new, as Fey Courts go, just as the Imperium is a new nation upon the Plane of Balance. Both are made up of much older beings/institutions/cities, but together they form something new and truly worthy of their tales.
    -[X] We Offer:
    --[X] Offer monetary aid on any of their current projects (within reason (hard cap of ~25,000 IM), and with the understanding that said aid may be delayed for a few months until we get the funds needed, though if it's 15,000 IM or less it can be given immediately).
    --[X] 500 lbs. of Adamantine to use as they please (which we can fabricate for them as a finishing touch of this gift)
    --[X] Five of Irony's half-gorgon offspring gifted to them so long as they promise they will be well cared for
    --[X] Access to the Shadow Tower (provided the rules set by Lya and Teana are followed)
    --[X] Access to the full library of lore that other vassals are granted access to (not runecrafting, Lya's soul-lore, or Heart Tree rituals, those three are very much a case-by-case basis), though we request lore on the Fey and Feywild in turn.
    --[X] Full access to Sorcerer's Deep and thus the Terminus to markets in the Plane of Earth and the Plane of Air.
    --[X] Recognition for the fey of the Orphne Court as mages of the Imperium with the benefits that entail (but also the responsibilities)
    --[X] Eventually when our enchanters can manage, offer to craft the Orphne King a full set of gear (possibly months away, but still a notable offer)
    --[X] The right to call on Viserys or the Companions if there is any dire emergency
    -[X] We Ask
    --[X] The same terms given to Moonsong -- vassalization for as long as the Imperium stands
    --[X] Our laws are always to be heeded and followed.
    --[X] The Orphne King continues to pass intel to us, just as he learned of the Court of Stars, though at a more accelerated pace, doing away with the payment of intel for intel. In return he will be kept up to date on all important things we learn which we share with our other vassals.
    ---[X] They will be asked to work closely with Garin and the Inquisition, as well as Alysande and the Silver Eye, along with cooperating with Imperial Officials in general.
    ---[X] OOC: While they will be expected to uphold the responsibilities of any vassal, including taxes whatever form they take, it should be kept in mind that they can in turn expect all the rights and rewards of being vassals (protection, aid in infrastructure, freedom of movement in the Imperium, etc).
    --[X] What aid they can give in future wars as we expect of all our vassals (we ask out of necessity -- the coming wars are a matter of survival and we need to stand as one)
    ---[X] Promise you won't be needlessly reckless with their lives, but nonetheless they will be asked to do dangerous things.
    -[X] Maidenpool Vote
    --[X] Tyene will observe the pair of Golden Shield agents from afar, perusing their thoughts using Brain Spider. She will seek to learn all she can of the agents themselves, what kind of magic they possess and how powerful it is, and what their true mission here in Maidenpool is.
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Part MMCMV: Lords of Shadow
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    • Lords of Shadow​

    Twenty-Eighth Day of the Ninth Month 293 AC

    "Your court is young and born of the perils of the great crossing, which you have overcome with skill and wisdom both. So too is the realm I aim to build upon this mortal world," you begin solemnly. "Why not then join together that we may be stronger in the doing and write a tale upon the canvas of the future? The sharpness of your eyes I ask for and for your blades, though rest assured I would not lightly see your kindred risked. In return I would grant protection as I do to any vassal, the rights and privileges of mages to all within your court who wield arcane power, new avenues for trade as well as access to the Shadow Tower and much of the lore and knowledge gathered therein."

    "Much... now there is a word that can flicker between one's fingers like evening's light," the Shadow King muses. "What then would you keep back from our eyes?"

    Taking the question and the lack of offense shown as a good sign, you nonetheless answer carefully. "I would not give away knowledge of runes and the shaping of souls in any wide-encompassing offer, and the lore of the Old Gods is not mine to grant."

    To this the Fey King nods, no sign upon his ashen skin to show his feelings one way or another, simply waiting for you to make your offer.

    "I would also offer as a token of my esteem a gift of gold and imperishable adamantine as well as calves of an uncommon breed for your own menagerie," you continue, illusions flickering in the palm of your hand to show each.

    "Uncommon gifts and worthy of regard, but beside the oaths and laws you have already established they seem quite transitory," the king replies at last, choosing his words as carefully as yours. "Protection for service is the nature of any rightful vassalage, and by the very charter that serves as a foundation to your Scholarum any with skill at sorcery may join and study in its halls, be they mortals, fey, or other beings altogether. Besides that adamantine is sturdy to be sure, but it is only metal, and coin I have aplenty from dealings with the Iron Bank—they do so love to pay in it." The last is said not with disdain, but almost fondly, as one might describe an endearing oddity.

    "What then would you ask for?" you ask, dearly hoping it is not some mission that will carry you far in search of fey treasure. There are enough urgent things that need doing as is without adding another.

    "I wish to take, as the expression goes, a leaf from Braavos' book," comes the reply swiftly spoken, though you suspect long pondered. "If our tales are to stand together that would assure myself that my court is a root that helps hold the tree of empire tall, not merely a vine that can be lightly cut off. More than simply passing on lore to your agents of the Court of Stars I would myself, together with my most powerful lords and ladies, join your Inquisition in full and keep to all its oaths. Who who better than those born of shadow to guard against unseen perils?"

    The suggestion takes you aback, though not so much that you would blurt out any concerns about loyalty which the lord of the darkfey might find insulting. Instead you simply note: "The Inquisition is yet young, its highest agents possessed of far less experience than you and yours. It would seem a great imbalance of skill as much as power to simply simply fold you all into its structures as once. It could well lead to frustration on all our parts."

    "Fairly said," he replies after a moment. "I would not object to the formation of, let us say, another order of the Inquisition as there are orders of knights answerable to Lord Drekelis. I can assure you that none in my court would object in taking commands from him."

    For a long moment you watch the Orphne King, weighing in a careful balance the words softly spoken, the visage in shadow veiled. The offer seems nothing but sincere, and you have taken oaths, even oaths to the Inquisition, from far darker beings.

    What do you reply?

    [] Accept the deal (Gain 9 Fey Lord Inquisitors with their own retinues, your previous offer is otherwise accepted in full besides the gold)

    [] Argue for a more gradual integration
    -[] Write in

    [] Offer a counter proposal
    -[] Write in

    OOC: The Orphne King knows he only has one fealty to give, so he is going to try to parlay that into as much influence in the Imperium as he can manage. There's a reason he gets along so well with the Braavosi.
     
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    • Tricksy little bastard. But to be fair he is a king. Being an underhanded asshole for the benefit of your realm is par for the course, especially if you want to have that realm last for more than a decade.

    As for his request, eh.

    The only problem I might have with it is the fact that at the end of the day the Inquisition needs to answer to us not him. His subjects, by choice, deed, story, and possibly even their very nature, will have loyalty to their king, not The King if that makes sense?

    If we can find a way to ensure that such a division of loyalties will not come to pass then I have no problems with him adding some of his people into the institution.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    Lords of Shadow ​

    Twenty-Eight Day of the Ninth Month 293 AC

    "Your court is young and born of the perils of the great crossing, which you have overcome with skill and wisdom both. So too is the realm I aim to build upon this mortal mortal world," you begin solemnly. "Why not then join together that we may be stronger in the doing and write tale upon the canvas of the future? The sharpness of your eyes I ask for and for your blades, though rest assured I would not lightly see your kindred risked. In return I would grant protection as I do to any vassal, the rights and privileges of mages to all within your court who wield arcane power, new avenues for trade as well as access to the Shadow Tower and much of the lore and knowledge gathered therein."

    "Much... now there is a word that can flicker between one's fingers like evening's light," the Shadow King muses. "What then would you keep back from our eyes?"

    Taking the question, and the lack of offense shown as a good sign, you nonetheless answer carefully. "I would not give away knowledge of runes and the shaping of souls in any wide-encompassing offer and the lore of the Old Gods is not mine to grant."

    To this the fey lord nods, no sign upon his ashen skin to show his feelings one way or another, simply waiting for you ta make your offer.

    "I would also offer as a token of my esteem a gift of gold and imperishable adamant as well as calves of an uncommon breed for your own menagerie," you continue, illusions flickering in the palm of your hand to show each.

    "Uncommon gifts and worthy of regard, but beside the oaths and laws you have already established they seem quite transitory," the king replies at last, choosing his words as carefully as yours. "Protection for service is the nature of any rightful vassalage and by the very charter that serves as a foundation to your Scholarum, any with skill at sorcery may join and study in its halls, be they mortals, fey or other beings altogether. Besides that, adamant is sturdy to be sure, but it is only metal and coin I have aplenty from dealings with the Iron Bank, they do so love to pay in it." The last is said not with disdain, but almost fondly, as one might describe an endearing oddity.

    "What then would you ask for?" you ask, dearly hoping it is not some mission that will carry you far in search of fey treasure. There are enough urgent things that need doing as is without adding another.

    "I wish to take as the expression goes, a leaf from Braavos' book," comes the reply swiftly spoken, though you suspect long pondered. "If our tales are to stand together that would assure myself that my court is a root that helps hold the tree of empire tall, not merely a vine that can be lightly cut off. More than simply passing on lore to your agents of the Court of Stars I would myself together with my most powerful lords and ladies join your inquisition in full and keep its oaths in full, who who better than those born of shadow to guard against unseen perils?"

    The suggestion takes you aback, though not so much that you would blurt out any concerns about loyalty which the lord of the darkfey might find insulting. Instead you simply note: "The inquisition is yet young, its highest agents possessed of far less experience than you and yours. It would seem a great imbalance of skill as much as power to simply simply fold you all into its structures as once. It could well lead to frustration on all our parts."

    "Fairly said," he replies after a moment. "I would not object to the formation of, let us say, another order of the inquisition as there are orders of knights answerable to Lord Drekelis. I can assure you that none in my court would object in taking commands from him."

    For a long moment you watch the Orphne King, weighing in a careful balance the words softly spoken, the visage in shadow veiled. the offer seems nothing but sincere, and you have taken oaths, even oaths to the inquisition from far darker beings.

    What do you reply?

    [] Accept the deal (Gain 9 Fey Lord inquisitors with their own retinues, your previous offer is otherwise accepted in full besides the gold)

    [] Argue for a more gradual integration
    -[] Write in

    [] Offer a counter proposal
    -[] Write in

    OOC: The Orphne King knows he only has one fealty to give, so he is going to try to parlay that into as much influence in the Imperium as he can manage. There's a reason he gets along so well with the Braavosi.
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    Evaunit02mark1 said:
    Tricksy little bastard. But to be fair he is a king. Being an underhanded asshole for the benefit of your realm is par for the course, especially if you want to have that realm last for more than a decade.

    As for his request, eh.

    The only problem I might have with it is the fact that at the end of the day the Inquisition needs to answer to us not him. His subjects, by choice, deed, story, and possibly even their very nature, will have loyalty to their king, not The King if that makes sense?

    If we can find a way to ensure that such a division of loyalties will not come to pass then I have no problems with him adding some of his people into the institution.
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    Keep in mind he is offering to swear oaths as an inquisitor and his lords likewise, they will have loyalty to Viserys since fey can't swear oaths falsely. Of course they would still be shadow fey so you would be creating a powerful faction within the inquisition in exchange for their considerable skills.
     
    What is the predominant alignment of the Orphne Court, @DragonParadox? And their king in particular?

    With Fey, it's kinda important info, if we don't already have it.
     
    I... Am very apprehensive with this from a quick read-over I managed at work now.

    Inquisition should not be divided by their inclusion, and it would be.
    It is not strong enough an institution, yet.
     
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    What is the predominant alignment of the Orphne Court, @DragonParadox? And their king in particular?

    With Fey, it's kinda important info, if we don't already have it.
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    They run from LN to CN with most of the lords falling on the lawful end of things. More minor fey like gremlins tend to evil of various kinds

    egoo said:
    I... Am very apprehensive with this from a quick read-over I managed at work now.

    Inquisition should not be divided by their inclusion, and it would be.
    It is not strong enough an institution, yet.
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    You could propose fewer fey inquisitors as a counter-offer or even just the king.
     
    I'm inclined to accept the deal, ya'll. The Orphne Court is pretty chill as far as Fey go, and they've dealt fairly and consistently with Braavos for years now.

    If there is concern about them overwhelming the young Inquisition, we could always gradually introduce them, adding one or two Fey Lords and their retinues every few months? Maybe while keeping the others available for special missions?
     
    I think we should go for a more gradual inclusion. We could frame it as ensuring that there is already a great deal of change at the moment. And simply folding in his court could cause misunderstandings among the human members of the inquisition, since many of them haven't had a great deal of experience with the fey.
     
    What about accepting one or two lords as a trial and see how that works, and then promise to integrate more fey as the inquisition grows?
     
    Goldfish said:
    I'm inclined to accept the deal, ya'll. The Orphne Court is pretty chill as far as Fey go, and they've dealt fairly and consistently with Braavos for years now.

    If there is concern about them overwhelming the young Inquisition, we could always gradually introduce them, adding one or two Fey Lords and their retinues every few months? Maybe while keeping the others available for special missions?
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    Can we instead have Fey help training Inquisition?


    For at least half a year, I want their influence not making any power-blocks within Inquisition, but after that period of time we should have enough bases and manpower for ~5-8 Inquisitors not mattering much.

    Not sure how to frame the slow integration, though.
    Can't check Inquisition's structure st the moment, either...
     
    SeekerofLight said:
    I think we should go for a more gradual inclusion. We could frame it as ensuring that there is already a great deal of change at the moment. And simply folding in his court could cause misunderstandings among the human members of the inquisition, since many of them haven't had a great deal of experience with the fey.
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    Maybe fold in three Fey Lords and their retinues now, then add another every three to six months? That's basically the blink of an eye for an immortal Fey, but should give the Inquisition plenty of time to finish establishing itself before being overwhelmed by Fey members.
     
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