Let me put it another way, over the course of the ages many many people have decided that at some point or another hope had died, some of those people decided to hasten the end. The darkness welcomed them. So what's the difference between them and Viserys deciding the same, what makes his judgement better? Deciding there is no hope is act of enormous, I would almost say of supreme pride.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Let me put it another way, over the course of the ages many many people have decided that at some point or another hope had died, some of those people decided to hasten the end. The darkness welcomed them. So what's the difference between them and Viserys deciding the same, what makes his judgement better? Deciding there is no hope is act of enormous, I would almost say of supreme pride.
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This was like a physical blow to me because it felt like a "fuck you and all your plans" until I realized that it was barely an inconvenience to us. We're already spreading various cults all around, if only to strengthen our pet Gods.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
No Hell is subjectively better than nothingness, you believe Hell is better than nothingness, I believe Hell is worse than Nothingness.
That's why I have been saying, as long as there's hope of things getting better, I will fight for that, it's only if we should learn, that there's no hope of things ever getting better, the best that can ever be achieved is stopping the decay, that I will argue for ending it all, and hoping someday a new less fucked up Multiverse take it's place.
If that can be done, and the new isn't something horrific, like making it so the Upper Planes become a second Hell, to stabilize the Multiverse, then I'm all for that, I'm just saying that if the choices was between leaving the Multiverse like this forever, and destroying the Multiverse, then I would destroy the Multiverse, I'm not saying I believe that's our choices.
My original comment was to Azel, making defeatist statements about how many have failed, and my comment was mainly meant to say that I will vote for trying any and all ways to make things better, no matter the risk, because even non-existence would be better than this, which mean no risk is too great, if there's a chance of making things better if they succeed.
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@tarrangar, if you would prefer to hasten the demise of this universe to see if the next one is any better, feel free to join up with the Others and help them to tear down what is left.
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Trying to kick the Satan's out with force of arms and righteous ass kicking is both unlikely to work, and likely to make things a whole lot worse for everyone.
We have the diplomatic chops and resources to enact policy changes assuming anything resembling a normal organization.
But more than that I don't think Asmodeus would out someone in charge who would do this job poorly.
It might be better to extend the hand offriendship mutually assured beneficial co operation.
(While pushing the hugs and kittens agenda quietly on the side of course).
We have the diplomatic chops and resources to enact policy changes assuming anything resembling a normal organization.
But more than that I don't think Asmodeus would out someone in charge who would do this job poorly.
It might be better to extend the hand of
(While pushing the hugs and kittens agenda quietly on the side of course).
*looks suspiciously at Azel*
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I was planning this arc for a long time indeed. Maybe I was evil all along
More seriously these things exists to present challenges and opportunity and I'm glad you guys are rising to to to occasion with so many plans.
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- Canada (eh)
Well this was a interesting few dozen pages to read during lunch.
So basically everything is a lot more fucked than we thought but it's not a short term issue cause it's been this way forever?
So basically everything is a lot more fucked than we thought but it's not a short term issue cause it's been this way forever?
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You are implying that there would be a next one.
The Void doesn't want that to happen
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- Germany
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING ALL ALONG!
Er-
I mean-
Look, an update!
*poofs away*
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- Germany
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Wouldn't that be Yss' job? Death and Rebirth after all. From the Other's I wouldn't expect the Rebirth part at all.
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What? Where did he make overly complicated self-contradicting plans?
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
I would not prefer that, I would prefer trying to make things better, I'm just saying that I will try anything to make things better, because what currently is, is worse than non-existence, so no risk is too great to making it better, I'm far from having lost hope yet.
I'm just saying that if we in character, ever come to the conclusion that the Multiverse as it is, is the best that it will ever be, then I will vote for ending it, basically I want us to never give up, to never say that it's enough to prevent things from getting worse, because if we lose hope of things getting better, then it's no longer worth preserving this Multiverse.
I'm saying if we ever stop struggling for a better world, then we might as well end this one, because it's justification for existing is that it can get better, if we someday come to believe that it can't, then it's better to end it all.
But as long as we can struggle, as long as we can make somewhere a little bit better than it was yesterday, there's still hope in the Multiverse, and so it should be preserved, because for all the horrors of it, the dream of a better tomorrow lives on, only if Evil somehow manage to kill the idea of hope, will the Multiverse be beyond saving, and only then will destroying it be for the best.
I guess this has just been a case of me liking to talk worst case scenarios, and me wanting to say, that we can never give up trying no matter how long the odds, because the Multiverse's current state isn't acceptable, so we should never say that our work is done, we have done enough.
So I will never vote for a vote to accept the current status quo, because the current status que, is literally worse than letting the void take all, which mean we should never stop trying to change it, and if we do ever stop, and no other take up the mantle, then it's time to end it all.
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Bah, that would mean he's hijacked the thread as splinters of a greater whole! Is there any indication for that? Okay, he made most of our speeches, the intrigue, is now Co-QM, ...Why would he need to?
He has us for that!
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
If it is he's done a shit job at explaining it.
Hell (ha) he could get a ton of allies by basically saying, "Okay shit's a little fucked right now, but I have a plan to make a new place where shit has yet to be fucked. Can't tell you the details because the people doing the shit are listening, but stick with me and we'll ride this wave straight into greener pastures."
Sure you'll have people thinking he's lying out of his extraplanar ass, but having a few dedicated allies is better than having none.
Goldfish
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There have been various obscure or sideways references sprinkled through D&D lore over the years, and through multiple editions, that the current Planar cosmology is only the latest iteration of Creation.
Something had to destroy the previous editions, if this is the case.
So we either need to stop the destruction of this one, prepare to survive it to start over in a new one, or evacuate to a completely separate continuity.
Let's try to prevent it, if possible. For now, that means staying the course, just as we have for years now, securing our position on Planetos and beyond, then spreading beyond it, both within the Material Plane and the greater cosmos.
Existence will keep for now while we get our house in order.
Something had to destroy the previous editions, if this is the case.
So we either need to stop the destruction of this one, prepare to survive it to start over in a new one, or evacuate to a completely separate continuity.
Let's try to prevent it, if possible. For now, that means staying the course, just as we have for years now, securing our position on Planetos and beyond, then spreading beyond it, both within the Material Plane and the greater cosmos.
Existence will keep for now while we get our house in order.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
I'm fully in agreement, we should definitely try to save it first, it's only if every single thing we can think of don't work, that we should even begin to consider other options.
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Well, you can always carve a pentagram into someones chest and dig out their heart if you want to ask him what his plans are.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
...he's efficient at answering calls, if nothing else
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- Germany
Asmodeus: "The secrets of a successful business are a good sales department and a good call-center."...he's efficient at answering calls, if nothing else
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
You guys work on the saving people plan, I'll work on the evacuation one.
If there's one thing I'm good at it's working from the worst case scenario so I might as well be useful.
Don't think I won't either. Don't we still have that idiot who fucked up making a Drakenbeast?
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- Canada (eh)
Tarranger, fat arctic chicken and HERALD OF THE VOID.
Couldn't figure out how to do the eldritch text on my phone.
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