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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I feel like that happened due ro character bloat. I still love the early days of investigation and intrigue in bravos. But then we started conquering and it was fine still time for characters arc and stuff like that. But at one point we had so may threats and Rivals and just sheer number or characters that DP or anybody really could have made them 3 dimensional. So when we conquered our second city i think was that point.
Just my opinions.
Fair point, but that was also unavoidable given the direction you guys were voting. I should have adapted better pairing them down and keeping some well-rounded.
Nah you did your best. We just have so many people to write. Very hard to move the plot and explore a character. And immposible to do it a hundred time. So there is going be peoples shaped plot. It is inevitable.
*snap*
But you made a damn good effort.
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Well, GRRM had lots of characters and lots of characterization. ... And I wouldn't like to see the next quest update sometime in 2022.
Snowfire
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Extremely tentative plan, deliberately posted without adding x's to boxes. Directly stole the line from @Ericwinter which I think is quite a valid one. Please do not just blindly namevote here. I want opinions on this.
[X] Truth by Action
-[X] "Given your own lack of protections from seeking magics, I hope you will not take it amiss if I secure us further from prying eyes. You have my word that I will abide by the peace of the Conclave." Bloodwish Mage's Private Sanctum on the room. Then drop the mask of Dywen, using glamour to hide the mundane disguise Tyene has equipped us with. I'm keeping this. Everything else changes. In this context, we're giving security and openness.
-[X] Contact Dany and ensure that the captives are safe and whole. "Your friends are perfectly healthy, as are Lucan's subordinates. I am not a monster, whatever rumours may paint me as." Directly lifted, and an excellent opener.
-[X] "You wish your companions returned." This is not a question. She hopes we will be a person of reasonable intentions, and not what many rumours have called us instead. We can prove that. "I will have them released. Now, or at a time more convenient to you."
-[X] When she asks of Lucan's subordinates, grimace, and explain that it is more complicated, as our only true interaction with the works of the man has painted him as our enemy. The Angel born of the man who had been Baelor the Blessed in life was summoned to kill a king. Given that it had not already struck down the pretender in King's Landing, as it surely could, there were few enough other targets. I want the explanation for Baelor before we go any further with this.
Moved to reserve. Will be kept for later.
--[] If she asks why they were taken, explain that we wished to parlay, but had the word of one of his Called Angels that he would simply refuse such a request. With so many lives hanging in the balance, we needed a way to bring him to the negotiating table so we could get a true measure of the man. This is truth, if a very specific shade of it. But frankly, I don't think she can beat our Bluff. I do expect to be called on it in a different way, but I'm willing to take that hit.
I'm keeping this short and relatively focused because I don't want to let things get too hazy, and also so that DP can just focus on this. I am actually considering losing the last line of the vote, so that she can just ask us why they were taken.
[X] Truth by Action
-[X] "Given your own lack of protections from seeking magics, I hope you will not take it amiss if I secure us further from prying eyes. You have my word that I will abide by the peace of the Conclave." Bloodwish Mage's Private Sanctum on the room. Then drop the mask of Dywen, using glamour to hide the mundane disguise Tyene has equipped us with. I'm keeping this. Everything else changes. In this context, we're giving security and openness.
-[X] Contact Dany and ensure that the captives are safe and whole. "Your friends are perfectly healthy, as are Lucan's subordinates. I am not a monster, whatever rumours may paint me as." Directly lifted, and an excellent opener.
-[X] "You wish your companions returned." This is not a question. She hopes we will be a person of reasonable intentions, and not what many rumours have called us instead. We can prove that. "I will have them released. Now, or at a time more convenient to you."
-[X] When she asks of Lucan's subordinates, grimace, and explain that it is more complicated, as our only true interaction with the works of the man has painted him as our enemy. The Angel born of the man who had been Baelor the Blessed in life was summoned to kill a king. Given that it had not already struck down the pretender in King's Landing, as it surely could, there were few enough other targets. I want the explanation for Baelor before we go any further with this.
Moved to reserve. Will be kept for later.
--[] If she asks why they were taken, explain that we wished to parlay, but had the word of one of his Called Angels that he would simply refuse such a request. With so many lives hanging in the balance, we needed a way to bring him to the negotiating table so we could get a true measure of the man. This is truth, if a very specific shade of it. But frankly, I don't think she can beat our Bluff. I do expect to be called on it in a different way, but I'm willing to take that hit.
I'm keeping this short and relatively focused because I don't want to let things get too hazy, and also so that DP can just focus on this. I am actually considering losing the last line of the vote, so that she can just ask us why they were taken.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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This seems very reasonable, and I'm glad you liked my offering. As for the last bit... yeah, it seems better to be cautious than anything else. Mentioning Baelor should be more than enough proof that we considered him an enemy, and with how easily we destroyed them, it should be implicit that we could have done much worse. We can tailor any further responses to how, exactly, Danelle takes all of this.
As a side note, we've generally been speaking of Danelle's people in multiples, but did she actually have more than just the pixie? Because we might want to make that "companion," not "companions," if so.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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The above seems coherent enough, and in line with our actual motives for capturing Lucan's underlings. She can't say "you did all of that without any cause or indication he was actually your enemy" without getting too muddled in our motives or trying to justify our behavior.
We have reservations, and he is our enemy, or has at least given all indications of it being so. Politically speaking, if she cares about politics (probably 120% not) he's also against what we're all about.
She can sink her anchor on "Hell-on-Earth" and just categorically name all that we do evil, but we're not going to flinch for it. She hasn't seen any of our work, she has no leg to stand upon other than the fact that she believes that "the Faith can take care of itself and we will save Westeros with or without you".
There is no "without". You can't whine that our methods are brutal and then say "until you shape up you just stay over the water, okay?"
The world doesn't work that way.
We have reservations, and he is our enemy, or has at least given all indications of it being so. Politically speaking, if she cares about politics (probably 120% not) he's also against what we're all about.
She can sink her anchor on "Hell-on-Earth" and just categorically name all that we do evil, but we're not going to flinch for it. She hasn't seen any of our work, she has no leg to stand upon other than the fact that she believes that "the Faith can take care of itself and we will save Westeros with or without you".
There is no "without". You can't whine that our methods are brutal and then say "until you shape up you just stay over the water, okay?"
The world doesn't work that way.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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You can, I feel like DP has been complaining about things potentially dragging too much, but if he wants nuanced character interactions where every single word that we say will be weighted by Telltale Games tier "Danelle will remember that" shenanigans, he should give us a chance to defend ourselves, so that means shorter social votes. Which means more updates devoted to single interactions.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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@DragonParadox To really hammer this home, why do you not treat social combat like regular combat? You spitfire those without spinning layers and layers of atmosphere during the fight, just describing the effects and the actions of the characters fluffed up, yet social combat has inherently comparable ramifications in terms of characters maneuvering around each other, and you can even lean away from fluffing what the people are doing (though you can do plenty of that to actually spending more time describing the environment, which can sort of fade into the fore or background at times).
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Better yet, we can tell her to see for herself. he Deep is so fucking far from "Hell-on-Earth" that it's not even funny any more.
ANd hey, shorter updates can mean quicker updates, which means we still have the same general time-frame, just more controlled.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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I just want Viserys to grit his teeth and tell her "Why don't you go take a look for yourself?" With the obvious undercurrent of "or else 'go fuck yourself'?" It's not as if we don't sacrifice literally all of our free time for the sake of our Kingdom and the well being, prosperity and happiness of our citizens. Go right ahead.
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(Zxzx24 will remeber this)
The sanctuary is unnecessary, and kind of more than a little threatening?
Hell it lights a giant magic flare for interested parties.
Swap this
With this. Don't tease the poor girl goodness.
I find this to be more complicated than necessary but should suffice.
KILLITKILLITWITHFIRE EEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
Goldfish
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Looks good to me, dude.
Straight and to the point. That's what we need right now.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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The sad thing is, we didn't just sacrfiice all our free time for our people. We made a magical ring explicitly to give us more free time, just so we could sacrifice that as well. Because we are that fucking dedicated.
She's more worried about their health than their freedom at this point, so swapping it would be teasing her.
Personally, I don't understand what your problem with this is. Yeah, we should probably wait to tailor the specifics until we here her response, but this is far more accurate than saying we kidnapped the mages for their own good, and we do want to talk directly to Lucan. At least, that was my take.
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Snowfire
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No. She asked if they were alright. We're answering that question, then preempting her next one.
I'd be much more inclined to actually do something about this if you, you know, actually explained your issues instead of just hurling capslock spam.
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You know, I wasn't sure what you meant about another frame of reference, but I'm pretty sure I get it, even if I can't precisely describe the new.
Snowfire
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But I meant what I said about it mattering.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Could you elaborate a little?
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There was nothing wrong with the original vote, in the sense that it was more or less how it always went. Seemed perfectly fine.
The message hasn't changed much from that, on a high level. But, beyond the words themselves, the way they are... coached? Delivered? Approached? Feels different, from the last one.
I thought the retcon not that useful, and I think for the same reason as Azel did, that I didn't think it would change the outcome that significantly. So I just expected for it to go more or less the same, but for us to not get steamrolled.
And yet, well, this feels like it might alter things.
And fortunately, doesn't have an apologetic hangdog feel to it, which was one (extremely OOC) way I though there'd be to change the outcome.
It's like it's the same message, but a different point of view generated and delivered it.
Feels like the natural way we should have approached it, actually. More... Organic? Yeah, that feels like a good away of describing it.
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Ericwinter
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I think it's because we are no longer approaching this like a kid who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and are now stuttering as we try to explain it's all a big misunderstanding. We did what we did for very specific reasons, and won't be shamed into apologizing because it hurt people's feelings and Danelle's people accidentally got in the way.. More than that, Lucan has, in fact, acted as an enemy and we were quite restrained in our response. She has no legs to stand on, on this version acknowledges that.