A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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This was one of the gangs of anti-Braavosi revolutionaries Varys set up. Tyene offered to bribe them to go after the real enemy, they refused so she killed the leader as an object lesson to others of the same inclination
"Take my deal or your own people will kill you," is the message.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Tyene is one of my favorite Companions. Skilled, powerful, and unburdened by a surfeit of morals. She gets shit done without being flashy, but can bring the fireworks when necessary.
If I ever get around to writing my Shadowrun omake, I think I might include her as well, instead of just Garin.
If I ever get around to writing my Shadowrun omake, I think I might include her as well, instead of just Garin.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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That was an excellent piece, @DragonParadox. Harsh, perhaps, but also very real. Sometimes people really can't recognise the open hand extended to save them from themselves.
I'm glad you guys are reacting so positively to this. I was worried that it might be too jarring or that I overdid some aspect of the characterization and it would simply fall flat.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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That was excellent.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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No worries there, DP. We're on Planetos. This shit is to be expected.
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A bit convulted?
I mean, she could have killed the guy right then and there in the alley and there might have been a chance the others fall in line out of fear.
Killing him without making any statement with it just leaves everyone confused and self-destructive?
That's the thing, she wants to make it look like not taking her deal risks being killed by those closest to them, if they all died in the alley the only message would have been 'mages are scary', not nearly as impactful.
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But this way it doesn't look like anything is achieved with this group?
Not like Rhiam would follow her directions now.
I mean, if this were some convulted plan to weaken the gang by making them kill each other, it would be working.
But as you said, they are not worth it.
Tyene could have wiped them out in that alley, or left them alone, or Brainspidered a Suggestion for compliance in their brains, but spending her time on playing this game seems pointless and wasteful.
Edit: Or was that supposed to be a message for other gangs?
Then "Braavosi/Viserys' mages are scary would have been sufficient.
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Yes the message was to other gangs and pure fear would have been less effective it first appears to. These people are used to facing crushing external opposition, giving it a new face would just focus their anger , but the fear of betrayal, particularly with one who was known to be so well regarded by his own crew as Andrew is far more pervasive.
Remember Tyene's opinions on slavery? They are not quite as deep seated as Dany's (few things are) but she would still disdain using mind control against all but the worst of enemies.
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She doesn't have good mindcontrol, but Suggestion through Brainspider would be a good start to force them to listen and think at least.
I don't really see the difference.
I mean, with Brainspider she could have suggested to all of them to kill Andrew right then and there.
That is a kind of fear most people are not used to.
Apart from her own disdain of suing mind control of people unless absolutely necessary there is the problem of making it known that agents of the Empire mind-control people , unless of course she were willing to then arrange non-suspicious deaths for everyone affected and that would have taken even more time than talking them around normally.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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How did she get them to kill each other without mindcontrol then?
Isn't that supposed to be the direction she wants to push the narrative to?
If she just poisoned Andrew herself I'm back to the point that she could have killed him easier right in that ally.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Well, it's implied that the allure of "Braavosi silver" convinced one of them to put one of her poisons into it.
That or, more elaborately, she poisoned Andrew, and one of the gang members suspected that if anyone would have been likely to do something for a bribe, it would be the other gang member, so he murdered her, making it appear as sordid and treacherous as it first appears at a glance both to the gang, to get the rumor to spread, and others looking at their internal politics.
And she could have figured out this fractious relationship between different gang members by having Garin just look at their interactions during candid moments completely unaware.
She glamored herself to kill him yes, the glamor was important as was the fact that she did it under the guise of someone who had obviously had doubt about the direction he choose. The next step is to maneuver at least one or two of the survivors to some of the bigger gangs so they can share the story.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Still elaborate, but less mechanics involved!
Algalon
Herald of the Titans
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The point was to sow discord, I believe.
She noticed that the boy was angry and dead set on continuing, but the other children were insecure. So she used poison to make it look like one of them had murdered them, which then drove the zealous boy into foolishness.
At the end of the day you have three people dead and a gang annihilated from within by itself.
Pretty strong message.
Edit: Woops, Ninja'd
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But having the ability to *gasp* PAY people is neither new nor shocking to this or any other gang?
Honestly, at that point of time investment she could have killed her way through the most stubborn gangleaders and left people with more sense in charge.
With some money and equipment and maybe a Raven or Inqusition goon watching over them.
Or she could have just written down the names and hideouts for the first wave of arrests once Braavos takes the city.
This still seems overelaborate, pointless and cruel to me.
The problem is that the gangs without leaders would still have coalesced into something that can cause chaos, and that is the real issue, not what they would do once the Braavosi have the city, but what they would do during the invasion to anyone with Braavosi connections. A wave of atrocities committed by Freedmen just when the bondsman system is abolished would be a serious long term problem that might lead to more an graver civil unrest.
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