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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
"Good," the mage pointed at the other. "You, go back to town and gather a party to retrieve the bodies and wolf carcass for skinning and processing, the rest of us have a den to find."

Find it they did indeed in a deep cave besides noxious springs, the wolves left to guard it easily dispatched, leaving Aemon in the possession of thirteen Cinderwolf cubs. He already had more than enough reagents. Perhaps the king would be interested in new beasts for his menagerie
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@DragonParadox, can we have all the cubs? What would Aemon Naremos like as a reward?
 
DragonParadox said:
Assuming you have the inclination/skills for it.So far there has been no indication that he is a battle mage at all, much less that he is inclined to fight in anything other than desperate self-defense.
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But there is no such thing as a non-battle mage, at least for a Cleric or Druid as he is most likely supposed to be.
A mid-level cleric or druid could put all his feats in Basketweaving and would still be dangerous.
 
Artemis1992 said:
But there is no such thing as a non-battle mage, at least for a Cleric or Druid as he is most likely supposed to be.
A mid-level cleric or druid could put all his feats in Basketweaving and would still be dangerous.
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Sure there is, he could have no weapon proficients, 0 BaB and never have used a battle spell in his life. I would certainly not be oposed to fluff like this for a character. Not everything has to be raw crunch.
 
DragonParadox said:
Find it they did indeed in a deep cave besides noxious springs, the wolves left to guard it easily dispatched, leaving Aemon in the possession of thirteen Cinderwolf cubs. He already had more than enough reagents. Perhaps the king would be interested in new beasts for his menagerie
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Hmm I like him already. He knows us so well. We can grab the wolves as a minor action?
 
DragonParadox said:
Sure there is, he could have no weapon proficients, 0 BaB and never have used a battle spell in his life. I would certainly not be oposed to fluff like this for a character. Not everything has to be raw crunch.
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I played a dude like that once. It was fun.

I just hung back and supported people. While breaking out the occasional talking stick.

Also healing. Nobody ever stayed injured or debuffed with me around.
 
Azel said:
I don't know, but when the members of your totalitarian police state start discussing how Pure, Good and Heroic they are and how Bad and Evil everything would be if someone except the Perfect PC was running everything, then things become rather bland.

Trying to turn the few personas we got who aren't part of the Generic Forces Of Besting Evil With Fireballs into just more of the same is basically layering more cardboard on it.

Yes. He was meant as a man of morals and conviction, not blasting the opposition into giblets.

Pretty much. I mean, we got... 50+ Generic Wandering Heroes in our own employ right now? Why exactly do we need another one-dimensional beatstick?
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I disagree. Him fighting demons could be just a coincidence as far as other people are concerned. I mean you have to rember he is a persona.he dosent have actual motivation. Just what we tell people. We could say that the deamon tried attqcking him first and he is just defending himself. Or anything else. We dont need him to fight for any particular reason. Just spin up a suitable story to tell people afterwards. His reason for fighting could be anything,but i think we ahould use him to get him have more connection to people in ppwer and be trusted.
 
DragonParadox said:
I do not think that the argument is that it is bad per say more that you are using the mask of a scholar/teacher to sling batle spells, it hollows out the identity by turning the mysterious wanderer into a battle mage, at least that is what I got.

Is that about right @Azel?
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Please point to where in my vote I have in any way turned the character into a battle mage? He's capable of magic. This is known. If someone can cast the magic to heal, they usually have the capacity to cast magic to protect - it's literally how class spell lists and the like work. All I want him to do is use buffs and healing, in the manner that @zxzx24 has said he had a character do. That is not turning into a battle mage, and the very idea that taking action to stand against the night with magic automatically turns you into one is absurd. Also if that's the case he already did so when he healed one of the people we had him talk to.

That said, @Azel if one was to produce a persona for this, would you want it as a throwaway or something for repeated use? Even if I'm still not convinced of your logic, I'd rather avoid this conflict extending further, so. If you could draw a sketch of someone who you feel would work here, what would it look like. I've got some ideas of my own, but given you're far more involved in long-term planning most of the time, I'd like to try and tune things to that sort of advantage. And let's be honest, it's unlikely we'll ever create a true throwaway persona.
 
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Acolyte said:
I disagree. Him fighting demons could be just a coincidence as far as other people are concerned. I mean you have to rember he is a persona.he dosent have actual motivation. Just what we tell people. We could say that the deamon tried attqcking him first and he is just defending himself. Or anything else. We dont need him to fight for any particular reason. Just spin up a suitable story to tell people afterwards. His reason for fighting could be anything,but i think we ahould use him to get him have more connection to people in ppwer and be trusted.
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Please do not mess with the characterization of Azel's OC. He needs something to keep him invested.

I'd rather toss master Lu at the problem. He's already known to go around messing up demons. Plus I like the guy.
 
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Snowfire said:
Please point to where in my vote I have in any way turned the character into a battle mage? He's capable of magic. This is known. If someone can cast the magic to heal, they usually have the capacity to cast magic to protect - it's literally how class spell lists and the like work.
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That is not quite what I mean. If you put Dywen in a fight against demons publicly, then he will have rumors of 'having fought demons' attached to his persona, regardless of his actual particular actions in the battle. The tales are not going to include a factual blow-by-blow account of what he did.
 
chryssalideater said:
Please do not mess with the characterization of Azel's OC. He needs something to keep him invested.

I'd rather toss master Lu at the problem. He's already known to go around messing up demons. Plus I like the guy.
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But he isnt a character. Just a persona. He dosent have motivation. Just what we tell others.
But if that upsets someone then i apologise.
 
chryssalideater said:
I'd rather toss master Lu at the problem. He's already known to go around messing up demons. Plus I like the guy.
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What's his reason for being there and knowing as much as he does. That's our persona for working with the Faceless Men, I'd rather not stretch it so thin across two continents. Dywen was my initial go-to on the basis of being a Westerosi persona and one that would jam things in the eye regarding the intolerance of elements of the Faith towards the Old Gods. I can sketch up an OG aligned entity for this easily enough, but I'd like to know if I should be doing so for a reshuffle or a discard first.
 
I agree. The fucking apocalypse is coming.

Not bending what power you can, and most of DnD magic is war magic. Is just silly.

[X] TotallyNotEvil
 
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Snowfire said:
What's his reason for being there and knowing as much as he does. That's our persona for working with the Faceless Men, I'd rather not stretch it so thin across two continents. Dywen was my initial go-to on the basis of being a Westerosi persona and one that would jam things in the eye regarding the intolerance of elements of the Faith towards the Old Gods. I can sketch up an OG aligned entity for this easily enough, but I'd like to know if I should be doing so for a reshuffle or a discard first.
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There's zero reason to attach any Old Gods angle to this.
 
Something to remember is Dywen is a divine caster. That means he's a sizable investment of power from the Old Gods, who are well established to be angry and have a lot of things they need fought. Bloodraven would never pick somebody who'd not fight because it'd be a net loss in the long term, because the Others can't be negotiated with.

Basically, I feel it'd be out of character for the OG and Bloodraven to invest too much power on someone who won't fight.
 
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