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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
If you want to build CR 30 sheets for everything, I will rightfully point out even CR 30 encounters can end with XP and loot, and from a D&D mindset, "you could die!" is the same as saying "you really didn't want that Artifact and bag of treasure, didn't you?"
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Implying I would be stupid enough to put numbers on these things :V
 
Snowfire said:
Implying I would be stupid enough to put numbers on these things :V
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And that is why we don't talk about Jim Butcher power levels.

They're bad.

Good for Lovecraftian or horror stories though. Those aren't about winning or losing, since neither really matters in them, only ambiguity and a bit of hair raising.
 
DragonParadox said:
"They say Umbers fought in the War for the Dawn and again againt the Night's King," Mors proclaims leaning on his hammer. "A man couldn't ask for better enemies than the sons of bitches who sold themselves out to Them."
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If he fights here, he'll forfeit his match with Thoros, right? Not that he has any reason that he cares for, to fight in the arena anymore. And what a tale he'll tell to the Greatjon when he comes back, eh?
 
Takesis said:
If he fights here, he'll forfeit his match with Thoros, right? Not that he has any reason that he cares for, to fight in the arena anymore. And what a tale he'll tell to the Greatjon when he comes back, eh?
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My first instinct would be to say that he has time, but thinking about it forfeiting the match would be the more dramatic character decision and Mors would certainly do it.
 
Crake said:
Ah yes. The Draconic Akashic Record strikes again!

Who's a good archive of forbidden knowledge? You are! Yes you are!
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@DragonParadox - would Viserys' childs be able to dream about daddy dearest while he lived? That's basically asking about the conceptual nature of the dragon dreams.
DragonParadox said:
My first instinct would be to say that he has time, but thinking about it forfeiting the match would be the more dramatic character decision and Mors would certainly do it.
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Going with the dragon king on a hunt for the allies of the White Walkers, together with Thenn's, after he found his daughter - well, what's a tourney compared to that?
 
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MTB said:
@DragonParadox - would Viserys' childs be able to dream about daddy dearest while he lived? That's basically asking about the conceptual nature of the dragon dreams.
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Only while he's dreaming, or presumably about events that he was heavily involved in. Probably the more dreamed about by others, the better. But that's just normal dream stuff, no blood-connection.

The dragon dreams are "easy" for someone used to them to surf because the spirits of dead dragons have fused into the greater deity-like framework which forms the record.
 
Suggested diplomatic strategy: "Dragonfire is our weapon against the Night's cold, not swordsmen no matter how skilled. We shall crush them in their hiding-holes, and melt the ice beneath which they hide."
A lie, but a believable one.
Imply that when calling firestorms, allies aren't exactly helpful.
 
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Crake said:
Is the above somewhat accurate? Because it holds certain implications if they could just in general. Do you just need to be connected to the Dragon Dream, not a part of it?
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It's certainly easier to dream of the doings of long dead dragons than those still living, but on the other hand the imediacy of the blood connection woudl help a lot.

That said they would not just dream of Viserys being Corlys waters at the Rat generally, more fundamentally draconic things like fighting Mammon or performing his first conquest
 
"Those were simpler times. Times when you had to negotiate by threatening to break their knee caps, and get the money quick before annoying people showed up."

"...father, that was yesterday."

"..."

"That is literally just your life right now."
 
DragonParadox said:
It's certainly easier to dream of the doings of long dead dragons than those still living, but on the other hand the imediacy of the blood connection woudl help a lot.

That said they would not just dream of Viserys being Corlys waters at the Rat generally, more fundamentally draconic things like fighting Mammon or performing his first conquest
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You should do an interlude when/if Rhaenys ever awakens to magic. Specifically, one of her Uncle doing something suitably badass.
 
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I see no reason not to take the two of them along. It's never bad for people we try to diplomance what it looks like when we are serious about a fight.
 
Alright then, placeholder vote:

[X] Plan: We'll get you next, Craster
-[X] "No taste for fighting for the crowds anymore? Sure, all hands are welcome to fight against winter's hold."
-[X] Goldfish battle plans
 
Azel said:
I see no reason not to take the two of them along. It's never bad for people we try to diplomance what it looks like when we are serious about a fight.
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Considering our action economy involves things like casually weaving a web of spells that counters everything the enemy is trying to do while simultaneously doing everything you intended to do, yeah nobody will want to pick up a weapon when we're around.

That's not "wow he's a strong fighter" ala Robert Baratheon, that's "everybody to the hardened bunker" ala Viserys Targaryen, Lord of the HMS Superior Firepower.
 
DragonParadox said:
It's certainly easier to dream of the doings of long dead dragons than those still living, but on the other hand the imediacy of the blood connection woudl help a lot.

That said they would not just dream of Viserys being Corlys waters at the Rat generally, more fundamentally draconic things like fighting Mammon or performing his first conquest
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Lya? It is quite a draconic conquest? Dragons hoard princesses but lya will do.
 
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Snowfire said:
I did understand that how I framed this could be controversial, but it was the best option I had.
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Sorry if It feels like I'm harping on this, but: how so? I get how having it work could have been problematic, but what's wrong with having it not work?

In addition to the complaints people have raised about how it worked in this particular segment, I also worry that trying to keep the ambiguity alive will mean not really having Viserys react to what happened or having anything change or develop as a result, since we'd be able to tell what happened from a realistic reaction. At that point, it starts to undercut the importance of the whole scenario: if nothing changes, and the reader has no evidence that anyone even cares about the outcome, then at the end of the day the whole thing might as well not have happened at all. That feels like a real waste of something that was entirely on track to have a ton of impact, bring up uncomfortable questions, and lead to someone having some real character development one way or the other.
 
@Goldfish, how much does a Greater Ribbon of Disguise cost? Market price please. Asking for a friend.
Well, a Drow. Dunno if they can have actual friends :D
 
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