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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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mrsean22 said:
A little off topic but curious why the Tully's aren't getting help from the Baratheons, Arryns, or the Starks? Has two marriage ties with two of them.
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Hoster Tully knows that the next war in Westeros is going to start because of some damm fool thing in the Riverlands. He is hedging his bets. At least from what I can see. And that is pissing off the royal throne. That and no one respects the Tullys.

Edit: Also everything Duesal said.
 
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mrsean22 said:
[X] Duesal

A little off topic but curious why the Tully's aren't getting help from the Baratheons, Arryns, or the Starks? Has two marriage ties with two of them.
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Baratheon: Robert is annoyed that we've been running around in the Riverlands, and Tywin and Cersei are probably helping with alienation.

Arryn: His Tully wife very likely made a deal with fey to keep their baby as a baby forever, so there's probably lots of resentment there now that he's realized something fishy was going on.

Stark: I'm really not sure. I think Ned is just conflicted I guess? He probably knows Robert is being unreasonable, and it's always awkward to insert yourself into someone else's fight when you have reason to defend both parties.
 
mrsean22 said:
[X] Duesal

A little off topic but curious why the Tully's aren't getting help from the Baratheons, Arryns, or the Starks? Has two marriage ties with two of them.
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Likely because asking for help from the other kingdoms to handle brigands involves admitting they are rather more than a nuisance. He is probably afraid the Riverlands will explode into outright war if he brings foreign troops in.
 
Which, incidentally, appears as though he is hedging his bets, since no one would believe Hoster Tully wouldn't be considering it given his actions in the last war.

Ironically, selling your loyalty for two marriage alliances does not reflect well on you in hindsight if you're not politically willing to "take a few dozen body blows" for "the Team", the Team in this instance being Tywin's ego and Robert's vendetta.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I'm anticipating the explanation for what the fuck was going on that allowed a complete noob to rewind time hundreds of times without the entire town becoming a neighborhood of the Far Realms. Or even not instantly dying gruesomely.
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My guess is that her own Death Curse was originally directed at herself in some sort of self-loathing recrimination after she failed to protect her family.

Each time afterward, she's cursed herself for continuing to fail. I can see how that would build up to a vicious cycle that could easily wear one's sanity away to nothing.

Death Curses, especially from a powerful practitioner, can do some seriously powerful stuff.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Ah, this is someting I forgot to comment, but wouldn't a Dimensional Anchor stop her jumping through time? Good to see it here.

I'm surprised her dispel was as effective as it seemed, too, but then again we dont know precisely what went out.

I'm anticipating the explanation for what the fuck was going on that allowed a complete noob to rewind time hundreds of times without the entire town becoming a neighborhood of the Far Realms. Or even not instantly dying gruesomely.
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It probably would not have, due to how her chronomancy worked. As for the dispel, I'll see about dispelling (haha I'm so funny) your confusion on that in a bit.

In a similar vein, I've already given you some of the explanantion for how she was doing this in narrative, and I'm probably going to do a small info-dump after the aftermath chapter to clarify things fully. This infodump will include several points that will never show up in the story, but should help explain things fully. I could do that now, but placing it after an update seems better to me, as it means those interested will be able to see it.

Simply, though? Power = Power. And certain circumstances meant that she was able to get a lot of it. Combine that (at first) with her Death Curse and...well.
 
@Snowfire
Back to the story, how about another option?

Let her try again.
As often as it takes.
Eventually she will either get that she can't win, or Viserys will manage a non-lethal capture.

Essentially use her own savescumming against her until an acceptable outcome is reached.
I understand that's a risk, since she might actually kill Viserys in one of these attempts, but that's a risk any gambler determined to truly win, rather than merely survive should take.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Wait, only spells?
@Goldfish, get us a slotless magic item for that, stat!
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18,000 gold, or 1800 IM, for an Ioun Stone that removes the need to breath. 900 IM for an amulet to accomplish the same.

400 IM for an amulet with constant Air Bubble. 800 IM to make it slotless.

Or 600 IM for a Periapt of the Sullen Sea, which among other things allows one to hold their breath for 12 hours.

And there's the Bottle of Air, which costs 750 IM, I think.

Huh...I can remember that shit, but forget useful information in seconds. My brain...:cry:
 
Artemis1992 said:
@Snowfire
Back to the story, how about another option?

Let her try again.
As often as it takes.
Eventually she will either get that she can't win, or Viserys will manage a non-lethal capture.

Essentially use her own savescumming against her until an acceptable outcome is reached.
I understand that's a risk, since she might actually kill Viserys in one of these attempts, but that's a risk any gambler determined to truly win, rather than merely survive should take.
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If Viserys would remember the loops, this idea would have merit. As he would not, this is a terrible idea in every sense of the word.

You're basically suggesting that Viserys blindfold himself and walk into a trap that has the capacity to kill him endlessly, until either the trap decides not to kill him or it succeeds. To put it very, very bluntly, Kathy isn't worth that when set against the larger plans he has to try and make sure tragedies like her never happen again. We don't see a lot of Viserys having to face up to the cost of his actions because we game the system as hard as we can to reduce them - @Azel has brought this up before. But he isn't the sort of person to take the massive risk you're so casually suggesting here.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
@Snowfire
Back to the story, how about another option?

Let her try again.
As often as it takes.
Eventually she will either get that she can't win, or Viserys will manage a non-lethal capture.

Essentially use her own savescumming against her until an acceptable outcome is reached.
I understand that's a risk, since she might actually kill Viserys in one of these attempts, but that's a risk any gambler determined to truly win, rather than merely survive should take.
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Artemis1992 said:
@Snowfire
Back to the story, how about another option?

Let her try again.
As often as it takes.
Eventually she will either get that she can't win, or Viserys will manage a non-lethal capture.

Essentially use her own savescumming against her until an acceptable outcome is reached.
I understand that's a risk, since she might actually kill Viserys in one of these attempts, but that's a risk any gambler determined to truly win, rather than merely survive should take.
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There's no point to that. Viserys killed her with the sword if I understand correctly. Which of course means he could have dealt non-lethal damage instead but didn't. Viserys didn't kill her because he couldn't capture her, capture was trivial at that point since she'd already spent what little she had available under the AMF and was basically a glorified commoner with no armor.

Why he'd do that is another topic entirely.
 
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Snowfire said:
@Azel has brought this up before. He isn't the sort of person to take the massive risk you're so casually suggesting here.
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Wasn't that Crake?

And also, goddammit I sometimes wish we had Dany there.
She'd propably more willing to leap without looking. Though even that has gotten less over the years.
Not much sense for adventure in anyone anymore.

Where's the fun in the game if you aren't willing to bet anything and everything on that one roll?:(
 
Artemis1992 said:
Wasn't that Crake?

And also, goddammit I sometimes wish we had Dany there.
She'd propably more willing to leap without looking. Though even that has gotten less over the years.
Not much sense for adventure in anyone anymore.

Where's the fun in the game if you aren't willing to bet anything and everything on that one roll?:(
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Nah, it was Azel too. And I agreed with him once I worked out what he was actually arguing. You're also...somewhat missing the point. This situation and everything around it isn't a game. Not for Viserys. So he's not treating it like one.

065tdsa said:
There's no point to that. Viserys killed her with the sword if I understand correctly. Which of course means he could have dealt non-lethal damage instead but didn't. Viserys didn't kill her because he couldn't capture her, capture was trivial at that point since she'd already spent what little she had available under the AMF and was basically a glorified commoner.

Why he'd do that is another topic entirely.
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Most of this is his combat instincts when presented with a target he knew could kill him, where his only effective means to remove that threat was killing them - see that word that he gave. Also that he's used to fighting things that can survive a sword going through their torso. There're some other bits and pieces too.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Wasn't that Crake?

And also, goddammit I sometimes wish we had Dany there.
She'd propably more willing to leap without looking. Though even that has gotten less over the years.
Not much sense for adventure in anyone anymore.

Where's the fun in the game if you aren't willing to bet anything and everything on that one roll?:(
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The thing with Mammon/Mereth.

Eating that tree.

Viserys risking death instead of buying a cure for blindness from the shadow fey.

Eating the tree.

Headbutting the Wall to "commune" with it.
 
Snowfire said:
Most of this is his combat instincts when presented with a target he knew could kill him, where his only effective means to remove that threat was killing them - see that word that he gave. Also that he's used to fighting things that can survive a sword going through their torso. There're some other bits and pieces too.
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He could have knocked her unconscious with non-lethal damage after he'd gotten her with the sword the first time (since, as you say, she completely folded in one hit and wasn't about to evade or counter attack) and then removed the AMF and healed her. Instead they both sat around and waited for her to bleed out.
 
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BeepSmile said:
Viserys risking death instead of buying a cure for blindness from the shadow fey.
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Ages ago.
BeepSmile said:
Headbutting the Wall to "commune" with it.
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Not actually something we considered very risky?
BeepSmile said:
The thing with Mammon/Mereth.

Eating that tree.
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Got me there.
Though we had some solid numbers for Mammon.
Beating him was ultimatly very likely, though we didn't quite consider the risk of permanently loosing someone before DP told us that was a risk (after summoning him).
 
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