I might be missing the meaning of this, but we don't have anything that can create matter.

Also... not quite. The only thing we got going there is Resurrection, and our explosive little Varys Simulacrum. But no body surfing. At least none that is more permanent then Soul Jar.
Remember we also got the ritual to transfer someone's mind and soul into a Construct body.
 
So, what's your take on the metaphysics of Viserys using a Miracle spell to Resurrect Kathy?

It's possible, so long as it's done before she catches her train. And she would have to choose to come back, too.

I'd have expected Viserys to be more clear, applying a little of his epic social prowess: "I'm a fuckoff dragon and while you're gone I will be here and kill whatever comes after this town myself. And if anything goes less than ideally I'll fix it, because I can. You must merely cooperate with me."

This is...not a good way to try to talk down a woman who is probably fully certifable as insane, especially when he can't prove it. And he can't. That would require turning into a dragon right there. Which would be bad. He'd also be kinda absolutely necessary at any hearing to give her a chance in hell of surviving, if they'd ever gotten her there.
 
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Wait, you all are trying to make a Deity?
I thought the Old Gods and Yss were going to fill that niche, what with being neutral and not squeamish about blood magic?
Yes. We want our empire to have a custom made god to protect, preserve, empower, nurture and strengthen all of us. Perhaps empower Vyseris, his Companions and family.
 
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This is...not a good way to try to talk down a woman who is probably fully certifable as insane, especially when he can't prove it. He'd also be kinda absolutely necessary at any hearing to give her a chance in hell of surviving, if they'd ever gotten her there.
Soul Gaze for proof. Even if it didn't work it'd surprise her and break her stride so benefits all around. Also teleport and divination, he doesn't literally have to stay on guard 24/7. Hell, remote controlled simulacrum at the hearing might work if that doesn't.

I'm sure there's a bunch of other magic tricks in the ridiculously huge list of spells a Viserys with Miracle and mythic stuff can sue that'd also help.
 
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Yeah, but that's a one-way ticket. Yes, for now, research might change that, but still.

And for the power armor, that only exists on the drawing board too.
Still counts as a consciousness transfer, IMO.

And nothing says they can't be transferred between Construct bodies.
 
@Azel Hey, quick question, what's the top speed of our fighter craft? And what if we pushed up the material tolerances?

Also, hypothetically what would you use for dog fighting at high speeds against similar aircraft (modern jet aircraft) far as magi-tech solutions go? Would missiles be viable?

Otherwise they might end up being lethal at short ranges and with vastly superior maneuverability.
 
Soul Gaze. Even if it didn't work it'd surprise her and break her stride. Also teleport and divination, he doesn't literally have to stay on guard 24/7. Hell, remote controlled simulacrum at the hearing could work.

There's...a number of ways you're not fully thinking this through, but it's 2am and I don't have the coherence to go through them.

Simplest one though? She'd expect him to honour such a promise. Him then being at the hearing would obliterate any trust she had and probably cause her to up-and-up lose it in the middle of the hearing. This ends poorly.
 
There's...a number of ways you're not fully thinking this through, but it's 2am and I don't have the coherence to go through them.

Simplest one though? She's expect him to honour such a promise. Him then being at the hearing would obliterate any trust she had and probably cause her to up-and-up lose it in the middle of the hearing. This ends poorly.
Simulacrum not allowed at the hearing? Not even warded so thoroughly they shouldn't know it's a simulacrum? Then you do have a problem, but there's probably still ways to be in both places.
 
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Soul Gaze for proof. Even if it didn't work it'd surprise her and break her stride so benefits all around. Also teleport and divination, he doesn't literally have to stay on guard 24/7. Hell, remote controlled simulacrum at the hearing might work if that doesn't.

I'm sure there's a bunch of other magic tricks in the ridiculously huge list of spells a Viserys with Miracle and mythic stuff can sue that'd also help.
I think you're kind of missing the point here.
 
You're literally not addressing the point of the post you quoted.
I am, the point is he needs to honour the promise. I'm pointing he can if he can find a way to do both things. Kinda like doing a teleconference only you need to use horrifically powerful magic to fake it because of the techbane. If Viserys knew enough about the magic mirrors we're using that might be an option.
 
@Azel Hey, quick question, what's the top speed of our fighter craft? And what if we pushed up the material tolerances?

Also, hypothetically what would you use for dog fighting at high speeds against similar aircraft (modern jet aircraft) far as magi-tech solutions go? Would missiles be viable?

Otherwise they might end up being lethal at short ranges and with vastly superior maneuverability.
I'm also interested in their normal cruising speed, even if the hypothetical maximum is extremely high.

Their Launchers each have a range of 800 feet, which is really good in D&D terms, but not in modern warfare. A solution to that would probably be specialized Constructs capable of independent targeting and flight.

Sentient Suicide Drones!
 
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@Azel you know where that necromancer is.

This was…fucking hard to write. I hate hurting my characters, and Kathy really grew on me as things went on and the thread started to get invested in her. I've done my best to make Viserys fight for her here, and you can see that Harry was willing to try. But there's more to it than just what I'd shown. Some of this, most of what's left actually, will be covered in the next chapter. That will probably take a little longer, as I do have a PW vote to close and I owe it to my questers to get back to it at this point.

To be blunt, with what I'd put onto a page about Kathy, I'm unsure that the thread itself could have successfully turned her away from her own destruction due to how broken she was. Two years of time spent…twisting herself around points of time until she found what she deemed perfect – or as close as she could get – does things to you. Harry himself touches on this in this section. And the PTSD hardly helps. I'm aware that this result may…not play so well with the thread. I've tried my best to make it make sense, to show how and why it ended the way it did. It's a little like with Sandor, really. There was only so much that could be done.
Ah time travel.

On top of the simple and corruptive belief you can "fix everything".

I'm not even sure this is dark magic really. I could absolutely see a regular person having this happen to them and then losing their fuckin minds.

Then the time travel/guilt begins to compounded the issue...

This idea has actually been explored in a couple places. Namely Madoka Magica, and Naruto of all places.

Naruto even came up with a horrible cruel get better or die treatment.
 
I am, the point is he needs to honour the promise. I'm pointing he can if he can find a way to do both things. Kinda like doing a teleconference only you need to use horrifically powerful magic to fake it because of the techbane. If Viserys knew enough about the magic mirrors we're using that might be an option.

:facepalm: Fuck it I'm going to bed. I don't have the brainwattage right now to deal with this.
 
Ah time travel.

On top of the simple and corruptive belief you can "fix everything".

I'm not even sure this is dark magic really. I could absolutely see a regular person having this happen to them and then losing their fuckin minds.

Then the time travel/guilt begins to compounded the issue...

Oh, it's Black Magic. The PTSD just makes it worse.
 
@Azel Hey, quick question, what's the top speed of our fighter craft? And what if we pushed up the material tolerances?

Also, hypothetically what would you use for dog fighting at high speeds against similar aircraft (modern jet aircraft) far as magi-tech solutions go? Would missiles be viable?

Otherwise they might end up being lethal at short ranges and with vastly superior maneuverability.
1. The top speed is light-speed, assuming you are working in a vacuum and have infinite time for acceleration. I didn't calculate a maximum speed at sea-level atmospheric pressure, as I didn't have a good way to guess the cross-section and air-resistance coefficient for the thing. But it should be easily above Mach 1, probably over Mach 2 without issue. Anything above that get's a bit harder to gauge. With the compromise design, probably not faster, with proper aerodynamic design, we could go at Mach 6+. The speed I've given for perfect maneuverability is half the acceleration per round, so that value in ft/s * 2 / 6s = acceleration in ft./s².

2. Dogfights are a bit hard. The Launchers have only a reach of 200m, so the fighter would have to get that close to the target, but a steel launcher bolt would wreck a jet-fighter something fierce.

Return fire is harder to say. The armor should shrug off smaller air-to-air missiles like a Sidewinder without a hull breach, though repeated hits aren't looking good. Then again, targeting might be an issue as the Wyvern-Class has no heat signature. Radar lock-on would also be dicey, as the hull is lead-shielded.

3. The maneuverability would likely be lower then jet-aircraft at high speeds, since conservation of momentum is a much bigger problem. Then again, the anti-grav engine allows for maneuvers that are literally impossible in an aircraft. It would probably depend on the skill of the pilot and how well he can take the G-forces involved.
 
Oh, it's Black Magic. The PTSD just makes it worse.
I noticed then when Viserys "voice of the fucking gods" Targayren was not able to convince her to stop.

Our social spec is so high...

For a normal human. Or anything like a normal human to go against him? When he goes all out?

That's domination. Pure and simple.

I just thought of should mention I noticed. Because itbseems a lot of people didn't..?
 
I noticed then when Viserys "voice of the fucking gods" Targayren was not able to convince her to stop.

Our social spec is so high...

For a normal human. Or anything like a normal human to go against him? When he goes all out?

That's domination. Pure and simple.

I just thought of should mention I noticed. Because itbseems a lot of people didn't..?
There's still ways to stop things from ever getting to where they did. Dark Magic, being unnatural corruption of the mind caused by the in-built arbitrary consequences of committing certain acts with magic (and therefore the ultimate responsibility of a cruel entity of power, not unlike a divine-tier curse), is even more fair game for fixing with a magic sledgehammer than just regular PTSD.
 
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I noticed then when Viserys "voice of the fucking gods" Targayren was not able to convince her to stop.

Our social spec is so high...

For a normal human. Or anything like a normal human to go against him? When he goes all out?

That's domination. Pure and simple.

I just thought of should mention I noticed. Because itbseems a lot of people didn't..?

No real social buffs in effect. Also Sandor was actually very well timed in this. We weren't able to turn him, just convince him a little of what might be. Kathy may as well be considered to have a modifier so high to any rolls made to try and convince her to leave Her Town that Viserys was probably rolling on a disadvantage. The point of the new social system is to more accurately model that, and Viserys lacked the knowledge to accurately judge what he was picking up via Sense Motive.

Sleep for real.
 
"Viserys!" I yelled, unsure if he could hear me. "She can still," he moved before I'd finished speaking. The magic he'd summoned didn't cut us off from our power, just anything outside of it. And her spell, whatever she did to manipulate time, must not require projecting beyond herself
I'm just raising an eyebrow at them somehow manifesting an SLA/Su effect inside an AMF.

I mean, Invoke Magic is a ninth level spell, and even then it's sharply limited. That's how hard it is to cast in an AMF.
 
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