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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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tarrangar said:
Rhaegar wasn't that much better than Aerys, he was already showing hints of madness, even if that madness was less cruel than Aerys madness, Rhaegar still showed very clear sign of being a bad king.

I mean kidnapping a noble woman, and being obsessed with prophesies aren't a good start, and Targaryan madness get worse not better with age.
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The point is to get rid of the murderous nutter wuth the minimum amount of bloodshed and keeping the ruling dynasty in power. Abd Silver Prince Rhaeger would have been the perfect option for that.

Pity that there was no profit in doing so for anyone who could, so nobody did.
 
Artemis1992 said:
But then you'd be a kingslayer, with non of the justification of winning a war about it.

That would fuck up your future too. Especially politically.

I do agree that Aerys having a heartstroke or falling down some stairs at any point of the story would have likely improved things.
Preferable with a Great Council confirming that nothing illegal happened and that a compromise-regent between the participants will keep the piece until Aegon can take over.

But that was rather unlikely.
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Blame it on the rebels. That way even a blatant murder can pass by without ruining the plan.
 
DragonParadox said:
Only if someone were so enamored of Aerys as to fight for him specifically as opposed to the whole dynasty with the promise of Rhaegar the silver prince. I do not think many lords would have raised their banners to put King Scab back on his throne.
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So that confirms if anything that people were quite ready for an ending of Targaryen rule, despite the fact that, much like the Tullys ruling over the Riverlands, the only thing keeping the Kingdoms united was the inertia behind Targaryen rule.

The problem here is the following idea, drawn from overweaning pride and ambition, that "the Targaryens are paper dragons, so now my Dynasty gets to replace them!" despite generations of inter-regional hatred all but assuring the only ruler that any of the individual Kingdoms would ever unilaterally accept was another Targaryen.

If nothing else, putting Rhaegar on the throne and pressuring him from the support offered and "quietly retiring Aerys" would have assured another few decades of peace at the very least.

Putting Baby Aegon on the Throne would have assured the alliance behind the move that they would essentially rule the SK in all but name as in the early days of Aegon III Targaryen, before y'know, they got told to fuck off for some reason??

How did Aegon III pull that off again?
 
So I just remembered this but this month was the month of the Rhoynar fey correct? We sent people to negotiate with them. Do we know how that went?
 
Honestly after the Tourney Rhaegar was questioned of being a good ruler. After the kidnapping....Many kingdoms wouldn't want him as king. Aegon on the other hand was perfect. Just a baby to mold into the king they want.
 
Azel said:
Nope, just faceless minions. A mix of guards, clerks and traders, probably with a few visitors from Planetos hanging around.

Edit: Oh, and the Iron Bank of course. We currently share office space.
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Ah.

I had this thought, how would Bael contact us, assuming he sees any reason to do so?
Since devils entering our realm openly would be problematic for PR, and secretly would get them an unpleasant welcome, the easiest method would be visiting our office in that city, since they are not forbidden from entering as far as I know.

So I was kinda imagining a Bone Devil with large entourage going to our office, the clerk setting an emergency message through the Brazier and then they have to have akward smalltalk until Viserys arrives.

It appears as a decent comedy scene in my head, even if I couldn't write it out well.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Ah.

I had this thought, how would Bael contact us, assuming he sees any reason to do so?
Since devils entering our realm openly would be problematic for PR, and secretly would get them an unpleasant welcome, the easiest method would be visiting our office in that city, since they are not forbidden from entering as far as I know.

So I was kinda imagining a Bone Devil with large entourage going to our office, the clerk setting an emergency message through the Brazier and then they have to have akward smalltalk until Viserys arrives.

It appears as a decent comedy scene in my head, even if I couldn't write it out well.
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You know, if Bael were to send Erinyes he would have a far easier time contacting us
 
Artemis1992 said:
Ah.

I had this thought, how would Bael contact us, assuming he sees any reason to do so?
Since devils entering our realm openly would be problematic for PR, and secretly would get them an unpleasant welcome, the easiest method would be visiting our office in that city, since they are not forbidden from entering as far as I know.

So I was kinda imagining a Bone Devil with large entourage going to our office, the clerk setting an emergency message through the Brazier and then they have to have akward smalltalk until Viserys arrives.

It appears as a decent comedy scene in my head, even if I couldn't write it out well.
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He could just send an Imp, you know?

But this is certainly more entertaining.
 
Artemis1992 said:
To the office?
Yes, but he might not be taken seriously.
Also using something that weak as messenger might be considered an insult. At least among fiends.
Like, "I should go there just for an Imp? Fuck that."
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Ah, but what if the imp is expected to be killed/ended? Then it's just wise conservation of resources to send your weakest/most expendable slaves.

A message of "I am a sensible operator, and I want to see how you react to this so I can get a bit of your measure"
 
BeepSmile said:
Ah, but what if the imp is expected to be killed/ended? Then it's just wise conservation of resources to send your weakest/most expendable slaves.

A message of "I am a sensible operator, and I want to see how you react to this so I can get a bit of your measure"
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That's why sending the messenger to the Opaline Vault is sensible.
There we wouldn't start a fight and break the law.
 
Artemis1992 said:
To the office?
Yes, but he might not be taken seriously.
Also using something that weak as messenger might be considered an insult. At least among fiends.
Like, "I should go there just for an Imp? Fuck that."
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I think he should know us well enough by reputation to carve the message into the Imps skin so that we can read it after murdering it.
 
Now I can't stop imagining how we go to the Opaline Vault to have a friendly chat with an Archduke of Baator over tea and crumpets.
 
Winnign vote

[] Plan The Shape Of Things To Come
-[] "The full plan is not yet ripe to be revealed, for there are too many plots and agreements buried within that need their secrecy for now, lest some Lion decides to set the kingdom alight before everything is in place. What I can give you though are a few details and some thoughts, so you may see the shape of things." // Truth. Half of our Westerosi allies don't even properly know of each other and nobody except us and Bloodraven knows any details of the plots going on there.
-[] "My house was betrayed by all kingdoms save one. The North, the Vale and the Stormlands rose in open rebellion. Hoster Tully sold his loyalty for two betrothals. And while the Fat Flower sat in the Stormlands with most of his army and doing as his name suggests, the Lion came into the capital under the banner of peace to burn it to the ground and slay every member of my family he could find. I'm almost willing to give the Iron Born a pass for their role in it all, because only a fool would have expected anything else from Balon Greyjoy then what he did." // A short summary of the Ursupation. And yes, I do very much have a grudge against the Tyrells here. Had they moved to Kings Landing when news came from the Trident, the sack and the defeat of the Targs could have been averted. Instead they sat on the sidelines and made sure to not be too unpleasant an ally to the new order.
-[] "So, Lord Frey, if you were in my position, what would you do with this lot?" // Spoiler: He wouldn't be pleasant to them. We intentionally don't give our own answer to this, but Walder Prime should get the gist of it. Things will suck for the Lords Paramount. Big time.
-[] "As for Hoster Tully in particular, I share your opinion on the Tully rule of the Riverlands. It was a unmitigated disaster since the day it started. I'm content to let them keep Riverrun and a few of their banner-men, but they will have a new Lord above them and it won't be a Riverlander. There is little point in burdening whoever would be the Tullys new Lord with the impression that he is their replacement." // Honest opinion. Whoever get's the Tullys would be painted as the new Lord Paramount and have to deal with most of the garbage that before was thrown at them. No point to it.
-[] "There will be no more Riverlands. There will be a split, to ensure that the new realms are stable and not plagued by the infighting of current times. And if you swear yourself to me, the northern part of the Riverlands is yours, with no Lord above you, save me. I assume that this is what you wanted to hear?" // The part of the division most relevant to him. I could rattle of provinces here, but we already tacitly agreed to his demands for precisely what we wanted to give him anyway, save for Riverrun.
 
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