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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
Knowing our luck, the Others are probably firmly in possession of the White Orb of Dragonkind which would explain how they turned White Dragons into the far more dangerous Frost Dragons, pretty much the opposite of how the Valyrians turned Red Dragons into Valyrian Dragons.
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God I hope not. I want to turn their greatest strength against them mid-battle. Although with the orbs Dragon Hatred is such an irritating effect. Hopefully our dragon vassals don't mind us using such a thing on a feral dragon.
 
zxzx24 said:
Is that... Worth it...?
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Well I am speaking for myself here but just the dumb look of shock on the Other's face alone would be worth it. The lore hunt is also something that makes it worth it too. Plus later on we can throw those same feral dragons against the Other, Deep Ones or just gather them up to sacrifice to heart trees and Yss. So yes, to me personally, it is well worth it.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
God I hope not. I want to turn their greatest strength against them mid-battle. Although with the orbs Dragon Hatred is such an irritating effect. Hopefully our dragon vassals don't mind us using such a thing on a feral dragon.
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Considering we have the monopoly on Valyrian Dragons (as far as I'm aware at least) I don't think there should be much need to use it on them. All riders and potential riders are already firmly under our thumb.

As for the Frost Dragons, I would not rely on the orbs in mid-combat. They're honestly not that reliable. The reason we were so on edge with the Red Orb of Dragonkind is that if any of our enemies got it they could use it as the focus for a ritual of some kind to get to us.

If we ever did get the White Orb of Dragonkind we might be able to pull off a similar ritual against the Frost Dragons... but with our luck we'd probably end up in a Tug-Of-War against the Great Other himself.
 
Massgamer said:
@DragonParadox so who were the winners of this round of the melee and who is moving on?
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I have not rolled that up. I'll cover it in the update after the next.

Speaking of moving the story along vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Feb 20, 2019 at 9:39 AM, finished with 192 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X]Plan Scheming and Plotting, The Westerosi Way
    -[X] If it wasn't already obvious, the deal for formal and informal obligations towards us in regards to Black Walder is, he helps us maneuver and prod his relatives in beneficial directions, supplies us the information we need on them, and of course continues doing good work in the Riverlands drawing order from chaos with the Lads, and there's almost certainly lordship resting in his future somewhere. Barring any... unchancey happenings.
    -[X] Tell us about the Freys. No, not all of them, we'd be here forever. Who's erudite, with a scholarly mind and more importantly with the right combination of actually being capable of en-kindled loyalty as well as an open mind? Chances are we won't offer half as many places in the Scholarum to Lord Frey as he desires, nor to some of the more maladapted or manipulative ilk, either.
    -[X] Squirings and Wardings. Honors. What that says about Lord Frey is that he's still one of the Old Guard of Westeros, and unlikely to change too soon. Still, he's more open-minded than most, which is saying something. It costs us little except rude talk by disgruntled Lords, but you don't want to surround yourself with dozens of Stoats, either. Ask about a few of the younger Freys. The ones who can still be... moulded to our purposes.
    -[X] We won't countenance talk of lordships when the board is still in motion and loyalties are still in flux. The corollary to this if pressed is that they should be of a mind to develop their own lands, which they will need all resources including manpower to do as it is. It's too early to talk details, but the Freys will be one of the great winners of this, that we will make sure. The list of vassals Walder Prime has in mind sounds like a good working draft, though he isn't getting the Tullys. That would just perpetuate the unrest in the Riverlands. But don't worry, the Tullys will get what's coming to them.
    -[X] Get an overview of their lands, Black Walder seems insightful enough to understand what we're working with. Then grab a dozen economic advisors (because these days you just have those) and draw up an outline to help develop the region economically, contacts with the Iron Bank, your trading conglomerate for shipping and manufacturing, whatever might be necessary to roll out the changes in a timely fashion post conquest. Then dicker over the ultimate cost. You can subsidize with the best of them, but when it comes to taxes, the dragon gets its due.
    -[X] Part 2
    --[X] We want to build many bridges throughout the Riverlands, but just baldly saying that might decide whether the Freys will rouse for Robert Baratheon or Tywin Lannister alone. We still are going to do that, but we lead in with the offer to help build a trade harbour right next to the Twins. This would help the Freys retain their current status as a crossroad for Westerosi trade, with goods moving up the Trident and its tributaries from the Saltpans, which are then unloaded at the Twins and either shipped on to the North or the short stretch to Seagard, before being loaded back on a ship and moved across the Sunset Sea.
    --[X] It also follows that from such a crossroad a major population center might form, and while they will not be the only House to receive a charter for a city, they will have that to look forward to. Being more relevant in local politics than the Tullys has to serve as somewhat of a balm, at the very least.
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Duesal said:
Considering we have the monopoly on Valyrian Dragons (as far as I'm aware at least) I don't think there should be much need to use it on them. All riders and potential riders are already firmly under our thumb.

As for the Frost Dragons, I would not rely on the orbs in mid-combat. They're honestly not that reliable. The reason we were so on edge with the Red Orb of Dragonkind is that if any of our enemies got it they could use it as the focus for a ritual of some kind to get to us.

If we ever did get the White Orb of Dragonkind we might be able to pull off a similar ritual against the Frost Dragons... but with our luck we'd probably end up in a Tug-Of-War against the Great Other himself.
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Well their is our feral dragons and then there is the feral dragon in Valyria.... would they be considered feral or wild? Things like the magma dragon that showed up in Valyria proper could be controlled by this correct? My plan is basically what Mel was planning on doing with the orb.
 
zxzx24 said:
Is that... Worth it...?
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One Autumn Leaf said:
Well I am speaking for myself here but just the dumb look of shock on the Other's face alone would be worth it. The lore hunt is also something that makes it worth it too. Plus later on we can throw those same feral dragons against the Other, Deep Ones or just gather them up to sacrifice to heart trees and Yss. So yes, to me personally, it is well worth it.
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Prismatic drakes aren't reds.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Well their is our feral dragons and then there is the feral dragon in Valyrian.... would they be considered feral or wild? Things like the magma dragon that showed up in Valyria proper could be controlled correct?
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Our Valyrian Dragons are basically Feral Red Dragons, yeah. I'm not sure what the magma dragons in Valyria would be. They could be other instances of dragonlords fusing with their dragons somehow in a desperate gamble for survival, but I'm not sure.

Either way, I wouldn't bet on the orb being able to fully contain them. There's something sentient pulling the strings behind the scenes.
MTB said:
Prismatic drakes aren't reds.
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Yeah, many colors and none. The drakes are utterly immune to the orb. :(
 
MTB said:
Prismatic drakes aren't reds.
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Are the free flying dragons in the ruined Varian peninsula Prismatic drakes?


Duesal said:
Either way, I wouldn't bet on the orb being able to fully contain them. There's something sentient pulling the strings behind the scenes.
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Right the 15th god thing. Hopefully we get a new mass capture method for Valyria because I am not willing to play with SOTD there. Hence why the orb.
 
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@Duesal, Tywin got a bunch of dragon eggs from Gerion. We don't know if he managed to hatch, let alone tame them, but I wouldn't rule it out either.
 
*sigh*

Honestly I'm not even sure if I can come up with a coherent argument against it.

I know it risks pissing of Relath and Amrelath pretty majorly. As well as cutting off the diplomatic solution to the dragon inside the orb.

Also the diplomatic solution to pretty much every dragon ever.

Which for Viserys build is a big loss.

It just seems really fucking dangerous to me.

Even ignoring that while it exists it can be stolen from us.

And it can still be stolen from us.
 
Azel said:
Frankly, a laser rifle would be the most likely infantry firearm we could get. Use a magic converter, cram in a glowy crystal battery and then fire force-beams.
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You want to give infantry a lasgun?...
Might as well call them Guardsmen then?

@Duesal, don't we have a fyrwyrm egg? I think that magma dragon is related to that.

A point about Walder Frey. He personally met Bloodraven. Shall introduce him to NotVarys for a reunion? :p
 
Takesis said:
You want to give infantry a lasgun?...
Might as well call them Guardsmen then?

@Duesal, don't we have a fyrwyrm egg? I think that magma dragon is related to that.

A point about Walder Frey. He personally met Bloodraven. Shall introduce him to NotVarys for a reunion? :p
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Mmm.

I thought about suggesting we move the entirety of the human race into arcologies because it would make them harder to steal.

Those peasants are boned man.

So we're not tat far from going full magitek fantasy.

We just need to teach basic arcane principals in public school and nature will take care of the rest!
 
Azel said:
@Duesal, Tywin got a bunch of dragon eggs from Gerion. We don't know if he managed to hatch, let alone tame them, but I wouldn't rule it out either.
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Point. We should look into that.
Takesis said:
You want to give infantry a lasgun?...
Might as well call them Guardsmen then?

@Duesal, don't we have a fyrwyrm egg? I think that magma dragon is related to that.

A point about Walder Frey. He personally met Bloodraven. Shall introduce him to NotVarys for a reunion? :p
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It could be, but I'm not betting on it.
 
Wonder what the Westerosi Adventurers think of the Lads? On one hand they are stopping bandits and monsters. On the other hand they claim to be Targ supporters.
 
zxzx24 said:
If they can't fly and don't have a +14 fortitude save let's sleep smoke em and bag em.
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A CR17 Magma Dragon would be this: Magma Dragon, Ancient – d20PFSRD
Much higher fort.

A Very Old Feral Red would also be Cr 17 and have a much higher save.

Dragons are rarely easy prey, in fact you could say they are vastly overenineered to be any kind of natural predator. More like they were designed to protect and rule the world.
 
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