A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I think SD has a small niche industry that consists of absurdly hot bathes houses/sauna that advertise themselves as being "Just as the King Likes It!" with varying levels of heat and even selling fire resistance items/spells for the true "kingly" experience. Shit if people in real life got unnecessary anal fistulas to imitate a French king, this isn't too out there.
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Stuff like that just gets forgot in the press of other things being suggested to be bought during market place actions.
Also
1) People talk about a time, usually using hyperbole, we have done something, and thus it makes sense to do it again. As if a previous vote adds legitimacy to your own vote, rather than... actually having more votes. It is subversive debate tactics.
2) DP has said he will try to make sure that when writing things won't be "fucked beyond all recourse" in terms of forming a coherent update, like Viserys won't fly off the handle and burn someone to death because they insulted him, because that's something Aerys would do, but he might arrange their death or make them march into their own grave for reasons other than petty pride being hurt.
3) We can do big things for evil reasons and big things for good reasons, and both can be equally destructive, and that could be on a personal scale (your mental state), a large scale (what effect it has on people's lives) and a mix of both (your reputation). Decisions are rarely binary though.
4) If doing "bad stuff" is okay, because we've done it before, then clearly doing "good stuff" is okay, because we've done it before. But that divorces both things being discussed from their proper context.
5) Thus, because we've helped a brewer's family start a new business away from soon to be troubled lands even though it was of marginal consequence to us, we could do something like do what that African ruler did and just give away millions of gold coins on a long journey across the continent, not even in trade, but just flooding the place with bullion. We're only being nice to the people living there on our journey, right?
Not the perfect example, but I hope it got my point across.
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- Here and there
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"CONSTANT VIGILANCE!"
Alright. We do know that Westeros currently has food shortages in the cities, most likely due to unsafe trading routes. We are also late in the year, so the impact of the ritual spread will be low before winter rolls around. People who use the ritual will produce more, thus making a tidy profit due to the high grain prices.
So let's make a little speculation bubble.
First step is to increase the grain price further to make grain production more attractive. To this end, we work with Baelish and counsel Robert to set up high grain tariffs. That drives up the price in Westeros, exacerbates the shortages and will be highly unpopular, but also drives the price in Essos down and 'hurts Viserys bigly', so Robert should go for it.
What it will actually do for us is very little. We are already taking measures against grain price decline and this will do little damage, but reinforce Viserys reputation as a business sorcerer and allow us to build up grain supplies for long campaign's without having to increase the Legions budget. At the same time, we can counsel grain magnates in Essos to diversify and to simply store the excess grain, reasoning that they can make a killing on the Westerosi market when Robert is forced to drop the tariffs because of shortages threatening to become full on famines.
Meanwhile, Littlefinger and we embezzle a chunk of that sweet tariff money and promote the ritual and expanded grain production in Westeros. After all, prices are high and thus it's both necessary to keep people fed and a sound investment.
Come spring, shortages are becoming bad. Littlefinger now approaches Robert to drop the tariffs to prevent famines. Both Littlefinger and we get a hefty price for grain we bought up while it was cheap. Grain floods into the market and prices fall.
And now comes the harvest. The greatest harvest in Westeros history. Except there are no buyers. Prices plummet and the Westerosi economy flatlines.
Now if there just was someone who could help the pissed off smallfolk to get rid of the idiot in Kings Landing who caused this...
That made the macro-economist in me all warm and fuzzy. I think that means I'm a really unethical economist.
Anyway [X] Azel
Simple, straightforward, throws Varys under the bus. Can't ask for more. (Well, maybe a little more time on the clock, but not much we can do about that.)
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
honestly, it just made it all messier for me.
What point are you arguing against?
Is it about that thing (on which existence in on a fence still) with Azel presumably manipulating votes via "we did bad things before, we should continue now*"?
Is it against doing that sort of thing at all with any kind of action, be it 'good' or 'bad'?
Then where are you coming from with this?
I think I missed some post or something, because I can't quite see what caused this train of thought from you.
I certainly don't see ZXZX arguing that.
I thought we kind of settled on this issue the night before already.
:/
*oversimplified, but what can one do, I'm sleepy.
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
It's the divorcing of context from the things we do, and then comparing them to the things we're discussing doing.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
...I need some sleep, ill try to understand what are you saying tomorrow.
Id suggest getting deep background and history on the Githzerai, since that didn't happen this turn.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
Still on the list.
DP said that he'd put it to a vote, seeing contention on the matter.
So, it'd be either later this month, or will move to the next one, like all things not done.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
Its not so much I don't understand what you are doing, as I don't understand what brought this on, and the need for such discussion et al.
Albeit, I may be not understanding what you write either.
See above, am tired.
So, I'm sorry if I'm not grasping something really obvious here.
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- France
You are missing the point.
@Crake is not complaining about action, they're complaining about debating tactics.
These tactics are not only rather intellectually dishonest, but they also create a constant fear: "We can't allow this to happen or it will be wielded against us forever in debates!"
That is Crake's point here. Right?
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
ah. That's what I implied (or tried to, anyway) by this part:
I'm just highly confused here over what exactly started the train of thought.
Just... Lets drop this now, I don't think I can express my confusion coherently any more either.
enigma1995
Gentleman Beholder
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
I'm pretty sure that's on Azel's "to-do" list already, but sure, will add.
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- ?????????
Should we leave a calling card in Cersei's room? Maybe a three headed dragon figurine and a note. Maybe saying "a gift to your son" or something to that effect. Raving lunatic Cersei is fun
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- washington
The ship sinks with everyone on it. Unless your a dragon in which case you fly away with the power of pure badassery.
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- United States
We can't.
We're making an effort not to leave signs of Targaryen infiltration because we plan to send spies into the Red Keep. If Cersei and Robert knew that we were here then their paranoia would run rampant, and we'd end up destroying our own chances for sending spies.If this wasn't a problem we would have just told Myrcella we were a "Silver Prince" and given her chocolate and a nice Dragon King festival figurine.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
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- ?????????
We can't.
If this wasn't a problem we would have just told Myrcella we were a "Silver Prince" and given her chocolate and a nice Dragon King festival figurine.
Right right I keep forgetting that. Well knowing about the incest and using it to drive Cersei crazy is more than enough. Also before we leave we should talk to the ratmen. I want them or more accurately any corpses they have of their own. For the forge
ryuan
From Zero to Hero!
I was wondering if this grain price drop wouldn't have somehow fixed the relations between the south and the North, alongside putting the Iron Islands in an awkward position.
I mean, both are in a place that would welcome lower prices in grain greatly, and the price would inflate back a bit thanks to delivery costs but still be a killing for them.
I mean, both are in a place that would welcome lower prices in grain greatly, and the price would inflate back a bit thanks to delivery costs but still be a killing for them.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
*sudden idea*
Hey, everyone, I've already added this to the next month's actions some time ago:
But what if we take it one step further?
What if we offer the use of waters to those aberration-hunters from Oldtown, and to people from Iron Islands?
The place is a goldmine of good PR if we spin it right.
Hey, everyone, I've already added this to the next month's actions some time ago:
however that girl from... Takesis' omake, I think?.. However she might lie to herself, that would be both a strategic boon for us, and a genuinely nice thing to do.
But what if we take it one step further?
What if we offer the use of waters to those aberration-hunters from Oldtown, and to people from Iron Islands?
The place is a goldmine of good PR if we spin it right.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Y'all remember that Wall of Eyes PoSK we bought a while back? We haven't used it yet, but now would be a good time to change that.
We could place a few small Wall of Eyes effects tucked out of easy reach and cover them with Illusory Wall spells, which are permanent by default, which would give us the ability to look in on those locations at will without expending spells or needing a valid target for Scrying.
We could place a few small Wall of Eyes effects tucked out of easy reach and cover them with Illusory Wall spells, which are permanent by default, which would give us the ability to look in on those locations at will without expending spells or needing a valid target for Scrying.
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- florida
@egoo
Priority 1 (overwhelming beneficial or useful in the near or immediate future)
-Arkas Grass (fillies raised on Arkas Grass grow up to have a 70 ft landspeed and +2 Dex & Con, grant a +2 on Handle Animal against them and can be trained in half the normal time.)
-Entangle Weed (Nigh-invisible (DC 22 spot check to notice from within 10 ft) seaweed native to the elemental plane of water that forms patches of about 600 ft diameter. Entering a square with it forces a DC 20 Ref save against becoming entangled (Str check to escape DC 15 +1 per failed attempt). Each failed attempt to escape deal 1d6 nonlethal damage and causes fatigue, and taking 60 points of damage from it causes exhaustion. Hardness 0 and 10 HP/square.)
-Flame Clove (Garlic with essence of the elemental plane of fire. Mild poison (DC 13 1d6 fire/ 1 dex). If boiled in salt water, crushed and added to food it keep s the food hot for 1d4 days without drying it out. Adding it t alchemsits fire doubles the fire damage and doubles the duration. It matures in 5 weeks and is viable for 3 week following. A bulb sells for 20 gp.)
-Golden Desert Tree (sap automatically quickens summoning spells as a material component)
-Livewood (Highly magical green-coloured tree native to Aerenal whose wood remains alive when felled. Items made from it are affected by Plant Growth, sprouting small branches and leaves, while Speak with Plants allows one to communicate with them and Blight damages them as if they were plant creatures. Livewood items can also be used for Tree Stride, Animate Plants can animate a Livewood object, and Dryads can live in Livewood objects. As a living object, a Livewood items are immune to the Disintegrate spell. It has Hardness 6, 10 HP/inch, and cost is +50%)
-Obaddis Leaf (Rare holly variety that can retain some magic if used as Druid divine focus. As component for Plant domain spell or plant-targeting spell it doubles both area and duration. 130 gp.)
Scraped an curated from here Magical Plants and Where to Find them
There is so much good shit on here guys. Id strongly recommend taking a look yourselves.
Priority 1 (overwhelming beneficial or useful in the near or immediate future)
-Arkas Grass (fillies raised on Arkas Grass grow up to have a 70 ft landspeed and +2 Dex & Con, grant a +2 on Handle Animal against them and can be trained in half the normal time.)
-Entangle Weed (Nigh-invisible (DC 22 spot check to notice from within 10 ft) seaweed native to the elemental plane of water that forms patches of about 600 ft diameter. Entering a square with it forces a DC 20 Ref save against becoming entangled (Str check to escape DC 15 +1 per failed attempt). Each failed attempt to escape deal 1d6 nonlethal damage and causes fatigue, and taking 60 points of damage from it causes exhaustion. Hardness 0 and 10 HP/square.)
-Flame Clove (Garlic with essence of the elemental plane of fire. Mild poison (DC 13 1d6 fire/ 1 dex). If boiled in salt water, crushed and added to food it keep s the food hot for 1d4 days without drying it out. Adding it t alchemsits fire doubles the fire damage and doubles the duration. It matures in 5 weeks and is viable for 3 week following. A bulb sells for 20 gp.)
-Golden Desert Tree (sap automatically quickens summoning spells as a material component)
-Livewood (Highly magical green-coloured tree native to Aerenal whose wood remains alive when felled. Items made from it are affected by Plant Growth, sprouting small branches and leaves, while Speak with Plants allows one to communicate with them and Blight damages them as if they were plant creatures. Livewood items can also be used for Tree Stride, Animate Plants can animate a Livewood object, and Dryads can live in Livewood objects. As a living object, a Livewood items are immune to the Disintegrate spell. It has Hardness 6, 10 HP/inch, and cost is +50%)
-Obaddis Leaf (Rare holly variety that can retain some magic if used as Druid divine focus. As component for Plant domain spell or plant-targeting spell it doubles both area and duration. 130 gp.)
Scraped an curated from here Magical Plants and Where to Find them
There is so much good shit on here guys. Id strongly recommend taking a look yourselves.
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