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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TalonofAnathrax said:
Edit: How would you describe your own economic position?
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Depends. Are you asking about my real-life position or what I would classify what I push for here?
TalonofAnathrax said:
You are overcomplicating things. No need to manufacture an even worse economic crisis.
That's your kind of plan.
No, without you around I would start pushing my kind of economic warfare plans: theft. Less evil, less time-consuming, less annoying to think through. Straight-up steal their tax revenue (Dalla gets it! Yay for high Wis! Forget overcomplicated plans!), sabotage their most expensive possessions (castles? Cash crop fields?), and do all this while implicating Devils or something.
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We both know how feudal economies work. Whatever you take from the lord, the lord takes from the peasants.

You would create a long, lingering crisis of poverty and starvation. (By which I mean, even more poverty and starvation then usual.)

What I had in mind was short, high-intensity collapse that can be counteracted and swept aside with the lockstep of the Legion.
 
@DragonParadox, That chapter was perfect. I'm impressed how well you integrated the two major sides of last night's vote into the story and Viserys' internal thought processes.

Seriously...damned good job.
 
Crake said:
Well it just becomes a strategic question. Having a dragon within reach of all of our war theaters means that no one can form a plan against any of our armies with intent to avoid dealing with them, which adds some logistical concerns to our enemies that they are forced to deal with.
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Yeah, it would be very convenient for us.
Massgamer said:
So besides dragon bones anything in Red Keep we want to loot? Most important places likely warded up tight.
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Unfortunately, not really. We're restricted by two things.
1) We must kill Varys, and we can't tip him off.
2) We can't trigger Cersei or Robert paranoia since we want to send spies to the Red Keep

So this means that we can't take anything we really want to take, like all the dragon bones, the dragon eggs, Robert's wine stash, etc. :(
Crake said:
If we take a bit of bone, and immediately use them to resurrect whichever dragons will reply to the call A) It doesn't matter if it is discovered, because we will have already gotten all relevant use of them and B) It would immediately become obvious who took the bones if people recognize the dragons on descriptions alone.

If we hold them in reserve, then the question becomes relevant again.
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We could resurrect them, then bottle them until further notice. That or make a secret training station in the far east so that new dragonlords can get whipped into shape before being unleashed on Westeros.
 
Duesal said:
I was actually in favor of just giving them all their own eggs, but if they want a grown dragon instead they're certainly welcome to it.
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I'm not sure how reliable the Resurrected dragons would be with new, untrained or barely trained riders. I would want them simply because they would be mature breeding stock which we could use to consistently produce more eggs.

Those could be hatched and raised from birth. They would be useable in just a year or two and far more reliable.
 
Goldfish said:
I'm not sure how reliable the Resurrected dragons would be with new, untrained or barely trained riders. I would want them simply because they would be mature breeding stock which we could use to consistently produce more eggs.

Those could be hatched and raised from birth. They would be useable in just a year or two and far more reliable.
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Either way works for me.

I just want them so the Lannisters will never have them.
 
Well good news is once we do our business we can have our spies take the eggs and bones for us. And literally spy on in the Red Keep. Maybe we should send a powerful but less known mage to Roberts court and observe
 
Duesal said:
So this means that we can't take anything we really want to take, like all the dragon bones, the dragon eggs, Robert's wine stash, etc. :(
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I was under the impression that we were going to have Varys 'mysteriously disappear' along with a few pieces he could conceivably have stolen, while implicating him as colluding with the devils. That'd still cause alarm and a raise to security measures, but not to an extent that'd seriously impede us from sending spies.
 
LonelyWolf999 said:
I was under the impression that we were going to have Varys 'mysteriously disappear' along with a few pieces he could conceivably have stolen, while implicating him as colluding with the devils. That'd still cause alarm and a raise to security measures, but not to an extent that'd seriously impede us from sending spies.
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If we could pull that off that would be wonderfully convenient.
 
Duesal said:
Yeah, it would be very convenient for us.
Unfortunately, not really. We're restricted by two things.
1) We must kill Varys, and we can't tip him off.
2) We can't trigger Cersei or Robert paranoia since we want to send spies to the Red Keep

So this means that we can't take anything we really want to take, like all the dragon bones, the dragon eggs, Robert's wine stash, etc. :(

We could resurrect them, then bottle them until further notice. That or make a secret training station in the far east so that new dragonlords can get whipped into shape before being unleashed on Westeros.
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Could easily hide them in the South. Naath, maybe. It is still relatively isolated.
 
Azel said:
Depends. Are you asking about my real-life position or what I would classify what I push for here?

We both know how feudal economies work. Whatever you take from the lord, the lord takes from the peasants.

You would create a long, lingering crisis of poverty and starvation. (By which I mean, even more poverty and starvation then usual.)

What I had in mind was short, high-intensity collapse that can be counteracted and swept aside with the lockstep of the Legion.
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1. I was mostly asking about what you're pushing for here, but I'd be interested in comparing that to your IRL economic tendencies. Out of curiosity. I don't want to pry if you don't want to say!

2. Ah, but I'm reversing the problem! You're making the peasants poorer to reduce tax income to then make the rich poorer. I'm making the rich poorer directly, which will of course make the peasants poorer by forcing them to increase taxes. But that fosters peasant anger at the nobility - which is advantageous for us, seeing as we'll be able to lower taxes upon taking power and (long-term) we will be relying on a cult of personality more than the direct support of the nobility.
IMO both approaches hurt the poor. Mine is riskier and takes more time (and underlings) but also helps to foster social changes and maybe even Dragonsworn revolts when we call upon them.
Of course it's risky: what if the peasants rise up in our name before we're ready?
But it's also advantageous: it weakens our enemies on two fronts, it pushes for social change Viserys would like, and hopefully it gets people up in arms against devils if we do things right!

EDIT: I'm not asking to stop current policies (although I feel they mostly focused on raiding and land+agricultural shifts/reforms in Essos - should we be pushing Westerosi lords harder? Especially Lannisters, who must be spending a fortune on magic unless Lanna is self-funding across the planes). They're not very time-consuming, anyway.
I'm just saying that I'd be pushing for more aggressive and time-consuming economic attacks.
 
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So this came to me in a dream today. Viserys, once he finishes his business in King's Landing, decides that his exit needs more flair. So he brings out a vial of the fungus spore that ruined the Lannisters and uses it on the Royal fleet and dock? Too much?
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
You know what? Let us roll for it

Edit: Dice you have failed me
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You know as a guy living in a house with a cat, I think I should be joining in on this, and I have been waiting to duel with vorpal butter knives for some time, so I will take a shot.

Edit apparently I killed One Autumn Leaf in the second round, hope he has got a resurrection ready.
tarrangar threw 2 20-faced dice. Reason: vorpal butter knife. Total: 34
14 14 20 20
 
One thing you guys should keep in mind for the vote is that you currently have a cat in tow. Vee can talk him into following along of course, but it bears keeping in mind for things like disguises.
 
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Hey guys I get I asked some stupid questions in the past but can you guys stop calling me a shitposter that doesn't know what's going on in the quest. I regularly read this I just don't often say anything in the chat. I get it I said some stupid shit but this is the only thread that asks me to be banned for asking some questions. Most I regularly interact with and write in and I don't get this reaction ever. Again I'm sorry for stupid questions but can people stop asking me to get banned for some questions. I like reading this quest but its hard to actually like when people are calling me a troll and shitposter. Shitposters and trolls usually ask the chat to kill themselves or fuck their mothers along with generally being an ass. I may be annoying but I've never straight up insulted someone's intelligence or call them a shortlisted unless they are doing those things. So instead of calling me a shitposter can you just let me enjoy the quest? Its a great quest id like to enjoy it.
 
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