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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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chryssalideater said:
Not typically a fan of this argument as an excuse to shutdown a debate, but it is a point worth making. Some people are playing much more 'causally' than others, and are more likely to make surface-level decisions. Hell, I'm willing to bet that some people don't even know about all the bad shit we've done.
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I mean our empire literally runs on blood. Or well the heart trees that are all over our empire along with the massive amounts of Valryian Steel that we're giving away as prizes.
 
My main complaint is I don't want to get Stannis killed by overacting Lannisters, I have no problem using kid to frame Varys if she is no danger.
 
065tdsa said:
Honestly the easiest way to make things harder for us would be garrison it properly, guard all the entrances, close tunnels and stop leaving so many abandoned rooms. Because seriously, so many holes in security.
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This is true, however we can bring shape changing into the equation. It becomes a lot harder to guard a door from a mosquito or gnat than against a person.
 
Dracikral said:
And to think all we're trying to do is get a cat out of the Red Keep...... it really didn't seem this complicated coming in.
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ENTIRELY CORRECT!
@Azel, @Snowfire, BOW BEFORE THE ULTIMATE PLAN!

[X] STEAL THE ENTIRE FUCKING RED KEEP. CAST FORBIDDANCE TO KILL EVERYONE INSIDE, THEN USE SOTD TO REMOVE THE FOUNDATIONS AND SIMPLY CARRY IT AWAY (UNDER FULL BUFFS). REZZ THE CAT AND THE CHILD WHEN WE GET TO SD.

More seriously, this morality debate stems from exactly 1 post. Ugh.

And I'm half-expecting Azel to turn up quoting HPMOR next time he starts complaining about humans having emotions and not being 100% rational :'(

EDIT: To be clear, this is all a joke. Including the HPMOR stuff - please don't be offended Azel.
 
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Massgamer said:
My main complaint is I don't want to get Stannis killed by overacting Lannisters, I have no problem using kid to frame Varys if she is no danger.
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Honestly I can't really imagine who'd target her. She's safe from the Lannister/ Baratheons, she's safe from us. Hopefully we take Varys out of the picture soon, and who knows why Baelish would try to harm her.

EDIT: Also as Azel put it, if the Lannisters actually kill Stannis over a toddlers claims we're really overestimating the amount of intelligence in Westeros.
 
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Azel said:
Feel free to PM me with your response, since I will gladly argue about my frustrations with you, though the thread is indeed better off without us doing so in public.
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With respect, I have precisely zero interest engaging with you right now and it's probably better if we don't. I would rather be able to continue contributing and enjoying the thread and quest instead of flat up quitting.

It's funny, you know. All of that stuff with Rhaella never got me even close to this point.
 
Well, time to distract everyone by creating feelings of raw disgust.

I like HPMOR.

EDIT: As an aside, I'm astonished Azel was able to come up with something that relevant that quickly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you're running a large corporation/running for office somewhere.
 
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Massgamer said:
My main complaint is I don't want to get Stannis killed by overacting Lannisters, I have no problem using kid to frame Varys if she is no danger.
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Again. The chance of that is nigh zero. The only one who might buy into this story enough to send an assassin is Cersei and she has not the resources to do so without Robert or Tywin indulging her, which they won't.

The most that will come of this is that Varys replacement will look into the matter.

And even if it does happen, we can ressurect Stannis.


So a astronomically low change of Stannis getting killed by Cersei versus a extremely high chance of us having to kill Stannis on the battlefield or to cement the peace.
This plan is much better for his long-term survival.

And honestly, ever since we got informed that Stannis might go back on the Small Council, I was looking for ways to prevent this to keep him neutral. I couldn't come up with anything aside from framing him for something or asking him to turn the position down, the latter of the two options being almost guaranteed to fail.
 
065tdsa said:
Honestly the easiest way to make things harder for us would be garrison it properly, guard all the entrances, close tunnels and stop leaving so many abandoned rooms. Because seriously, so many holes in security.
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Would any of that have stopped the way we got in this time? Or would it stop someone coming in with a disguise ribbon? And could they keep it up? I'd imagine after a while of not finding things the cost and inconvenience would make them back off. Unless they come up with some permanent magic defenses, but are there any that would work for this?
 
It also bears mentioning that for me, beyond any more personal reasons, Viserys having at least a few human moral hard points is one of the things that keep him being a likable protagonist.

TalonofAnathrax said:
I'm half-expecting Azel to turn up quoting HPMOR next time he starts complaining about humans having emotions and not being 100% rational
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Eeew not cool, no one deserves to be compared to that. :V
 
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Sqweaktoy said:
It also bears mentioning that for me, beyomd any more personal reasons, Viserys having at least a few human moral hard points is one of the things that keep him being a likable protagonist.
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I think the issue here is that Azel's argument is perfectly moral. It just uses a very logical, consistent set of ethical rules that not everyone will agree on, and does not include any of the moral "short-cuts" most people rely on.
 
Snowfire said:
With respect, I have precisely zero interest engaging with you right now and it's probably better if we don't. I would rather be able to continue contributing and enjoying the thread and quest instead of flat up quitting.

It's funny, you know. All of that stuff with Rhaella never got me even close to this point.
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The offer remains if you change your mind once you have calmed down.

I am genuinely interested what exactly got you so up in arms right now, because I don't get it.
 
Azel said:
Again. The chance of that is nigh zero. The only one who might buy into this story enough to send an assassin is Cersei and she has not the resources to do so without Robert or Tywin indulging her, which they won't.

The most that will come of this is that Varys replacement will look into the matter.

And even if it does happen, we can ressurect Stannis.


So a astronomically low change of Stannis getting killed by Cersei versus a extremely high chance of us having to kill Stannis on the battlefield or to cement the peace.
This plan is much better for his long-term survival.

And honestly, ever since we got informed that Stannis might go back on the Small Council, I was looking for ways to prevent this to keep him neutral. I couldn't come up with anything aside from framing him for something or asking him to turn the position down, the latter of the two options being almost guaranteed to fail.
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Fair enough, I have been convinced.

[X] Azel
 
[X] Azel

More seriously, I do like his plan. While it may backfire eventually, it carries little risk to us. Even if the fearmongering is bad and simply seeing a single fake devil somehow drives the kid to terrible nightmares (unlikely IMO), we'll have given one kid nightmares and improved our hold on Stannis while weakening our enemies. Worth it.

chryssalideater said:
I think the issue here is that Azel's argument is perfectly moral. It just uses a very logical, consistent set of ethical rules that not everyone will agree on, and does not include any of the moral "short-cuts" most people rely on.
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Translation: Azel's argument runs on Azel-morality. Whether or not Azel-morality is good or terrible, there will of course be someone in the thread who won't share Azel-morality (inferior beings! Burn them at the stake! :D ). Azel cannot stand such people. A small blowout happened. Things will blow over eventually.
Maybe it'll be faster if I remind @Azel that Yrael has bent the knee and compromised his glorious principles?
 
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