That's kind of why I was looking for setting like the ones listed, as in a lot of cases being stuck in dragon form would just cause way too much of a hassle. You'd need a setting where dragons aren't completely OOC entities so the main character(s) would be able to slide into the plot without everyone losing their shit. I could see that actually being really entertaining, I'd just need to find the right setting, and most likely not have the plot be the most high stakes thing ever.

Basically, it would have to be a setting where there are already a lot of powerful entities, but the most powerful ones, or the majority of powerful ones, are either relatively benign, or restrained by some form of MAD.

Enough a common factor for the average inhabitant that a single spell casting dragon is noteworthy but adaptable to their world view and not immediately regarded with irreconcilable hostility.
 
Viserys is brought to the past? Before the Blackfrye rebellion and gets to interact with the major players of that time. No turning into a dragon but with his knowledge and skills still good. Gets to see the problems of that time and see he can fix them.
 
That's kind of why I was looking for setting like the ones listed, as in a lot of cases being stuck in dragon form would just cause way too much of a hassle. You'd need a setting where dragons aren't completely OOC entities so the main character(s) would be able to slide into the plot without everyone losing their shit. I could see that actually being really entertaining, I'd just need to find the right setting, and most likely not have the plot be the most high stakes thing ever.

Or, as crake mentioned, elder scrolls.

Or perhaps Ooo, where insanity is the plot reigns free.

Now that would be funny.... I want Glyra to go there with Maelor.

Another setting that could work would be World of Warcraft though the bronzes might get freaked out.
 
Or perhaps Ooo, where insanity is the plot reigns free.

Come along with me
to a town beside the sea
We can wander through the forest
And do so as we please

Come along with me
To a cliff under a tree
Where we can gaze upon the water
As an everlasting dream

All of my affections
I'll guve them all to you
Maybe by next summer
We won't have changed our tunes

I still want to be
in this town beside the sea
Making up new numbers
And living so merrily

All of my affections
I'll guve them all to you
I'll be here for you always
And always be for you

Come along with me
to a town beside the sea
We can wander through the forest
And do so as we please
Living so merrily


It was a fun show and I'm glad they put a proper ending to it.
It would be a fun musical if Daeron was dropped in there... please forgive me for whatever I do... when I don't remember you...

[X] Goldfish
 
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My.
Little.
Pony.

Mic drop*

(I'm sorry for going there I am)

Edit: @Crake also almost everything Disney.
Oddly enough that would be one of the settings they could be stuck in dragon form and have all their magic and have it fit the setting....

And that terrifies me and makes me want to see just how deep the rabbit hole would go for that.
 
Viserys is brought to the past? Before the Blackfrye rebellion and gets to interact with the major players of that time. No turning into a dragon but with his knowledge and skills still good. Gets to see the problems of that time and see he can fix them.

Early on in the Dance. Like just around the time when Viserys I marries Alicent Hightower.

Viserys laments EVERY SECOND he isn't able to experience Jaehaerys I's Court instead of dealing with that incoming clusterfuck, tries to stay true to his inclinations and feelings the whole way through, etc.

Also, no turning into a dragon? A challenge. If he could tame a mount of combat weight (Vermithor, perhaps, since Laena Velaryon had just claimed Vhagar a year or two before) then he could take the court by storm in a way no one could ignore. Pose as a surprisingly erudite Dragonseed?

Of course he would strategically murder as many pesky problems along the way as possible. Some ritual magic is bound to work still, right? Another advantage.

Though of course the objectively correct choice would be not to meddle with the past and instead maybe steal a dragon that disappeared late in the war and perform the same ritual Malarys did to reawaken in his own time.

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The above would grow so confusing. Especially if Viserys decides to be cheeky and say he was "named after the King Viserys".

It wouldn't be a lie. :V
 
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Early on in the Dance. Like just around the time when Viserys I marries Alicent Hightower.

Viserys laments EVERY SECOND he isn't able to experience Jaehaerys I's Court instead of dealing with that incoming clusterfuck, tries to stay true to his inclinations and feelings the whole way through, etc.

Also, no turning into a dragon? A challenge. If he could tame a mount of combat weight (Vermithor, perhaps, since Laena Velaryon had just claimed Vhagar a year or two before) then he could take the court by storm in a way no one could ignore. Pose as a surprisingly erudite Dragonseed?

Of course he would strategically murder as many pesky problems along the way as possible. Some ritual magic is bound to work still, right? Another advantage.

Though of course the objectively correct choice would be not to meddle with the past and instead maybe steal a dragon that disappeared late in the war and perform the same ritual Malarys did to reawaken in his own time.

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The above would grow so confusing. Especially if Viserys decides to be cheeky and say he was "named after the King Viserys".

It wouldn't be a lie. :V

Viserys before the Dance would be great. He would be a Black supporter and many people would be afraid of him. The Knowledge and social skills he has would do the trick. Getting Vermithor would just be the icing on the cake. Get men that are loyal to him. Viserys Waters that man is dangerous. Be a little older than Rhaenyra and let's be honest she would fall for Viserys but he might not fall for her.
 
Viserys before the dance?

Sounds risky. Viserys is used to acting in a certain way, if he were stuck without active quick-cast magic he might easily make a mistake and say something he can't back up.
It will take a while to get back in the mindset of every muggle being a serious threat.

Unless he could still turn into a dragon, then it would be some nice, harmless fun.
 
Viserys before the dance?

Sounds risky. Viserys is used to acting in a certain way, if he were stuck without active quick-cast magic he might easily make a mistake and say something he can't back up.
It will take a while to get back in the mindset of every muggle being a serious threat.

Unless he could still turn into a dragon, then it would be some nice, harmless fun.

I don't think it would be hard. Viserys knows people without magic can still be a threat to him. It's all about how really. Like a lucky hit could cause problems. Spying on him. Problems for his subordinates. Viserys isn't really a person to underestimate people. Honestly he overestimates really. Like he is at times surprised how dumb people can be.
 
I don't think it would be hard. Viserys knows people without magic can still be a threat to him. It's all about how really. Like a lucky hit could cause problems. Spying on him. Problems for his subordinates. Viserys isn't really a person to underestimate people. Honestly he overestimates really. Like he is at times surprised how dumb people can be.
In many ways, but we are not used to them as a physical danger anymore.

A lucky hit from someone who's not Richard wouldn't do anything serious.
 
Basically, it would have to be a setting where there are already a lot of powerful entities, but the most powerful ones, or the majority of powerful ones, are either relatively benign, or restrained by some form of MAD.

Enough a common factor for the average inhabitant that a single spell casting dragon is noteworthy but adaptable to their world view and not immediately regarded with irreconcilable hostility.
There's always Athas. Once we won't get crushed like a bug, anyway.
 
Canon Omake: Surreal Suspicions
Surreal Suspicions

Twelfth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

Elbert was rather glad they had managed to procure some alchemical cure for sea sickness... there was little more embarrassing than a Braavosi who couldn't stomach a sea voyage, but for all that he could have wished for swifter passage it would not have come sooner than on a Silver Serpents vessel he had gained passage on with his partner of some half a score of years, Dos, whom was irate not because of the rocking motion of the ship at sail, but because of him.​

"The worst part of this mad fool idea of yours is that it wasn't all over a woman," he groused, adjusting his spectacles of Myrish glass. "Had you admitted to such, I would have tossed you overboard not a moment later, but I would have at least understood the sentiment."

"Is it not better that passions did not rule me but opportunity? We weren't exactly swimming in business," Elbert mumbled weakly in reply. In truth he wanted to see Beryl again but it was hardly out of some boyish fancy but knowledge that she would likely be in need of some legal advice in the future as their work on admittedly volatile or experimental engines and devices resulted in some damage or injuries--and doubtless these things could be smoothed over by her sworn liege, he had come to the understanding that the spirit-kin woman as remarkably independent, so even possessing her own advisers in such matters would inevitably come to appeal to her.

Moreover from that patronage she herself had claimed there was indeed opportunity for work as a solicitor in Sorcerer's Deep, a burgeoning part of the Deep that was still scrambling to expand with the city's constant growth and the need for businesses and other well-to-do citizens seeking representation... though he had done much work for those who could barely afford representation in matters of law at all, much to his partner's chagrin.

He likes a story where the downtrodden spring up victors, too, he thought with some fondness. Dour as Dos was, and the alliteration aside, the man was someone he had barely stomached during those first few years of uncertainty, for lack of many other options, even as their stranger and stranger circumstances in the Secret City had drawn them together through many a trial, most of them in the past few years with an upsurge in oddities getting them all kinds of fair and fell clientele, Beryl, known as "the Strategist", among them. That tolerance had grown into near enough the most rock solid friendship either of the two could lay claim to, not that they would admit it to each other.

"Are the sights not worth the risk, at any rate?" Elbert quietly ventured, awed in an instant of finally laying eyes on the organized chaos of the quayside. A huge man of stone, some eighteen feet tall loped past them carrying a crane over one shoulder, trailed by bull-men with crates of construction equipment under arm as easy-as-you-please despite their obvious great weight. Chattering monkeys who's cadence and tone could not be mistaken with nonsense but actual language rushed past with the flow of traffic. Other people on foot, including men and women in scholar's garb, doubtlessly here for the famous reliquaries of knowledge in the Deep... and mages in soft-grey clothes, doublets and fine lady's garb, strolled through with gazes alike to predators that pinned the two easily in place.

Worn upon on their breast they could spy the silver brooch bearing the open tome and sword prominent. The Inquisition, Elbert thought. One carried a staff openly, and the other had a tome strapped to their waist upon a harness bearing a number of crystal or glass vials.

Given their growing reputation, he wondered if those two were meant to draw the eye of visitors, all the better to distract from ones hiding among the crowd. "The blandishments do have their appeal," Dos eventually replied, before turning his head in the direction of a sharp whistle.

"Looks like your friend wants a word with you," Dos said, elbowing him in the side. Elbert rubbed his sensitive rib, wondering how his friend always managed to hit the same spot every time. He looked up to spot a flash of red hair and then a waving hand. A moment later Beryl rose above the crowd on invisible wings of air, a pleased smirk on her face. "Go on ahead, I will see about getting accommodations at a somewhat reputable inn or tavern." Needless to say the undertone of that was doubtlessly to acquire them some honest work before the day was out, or he might have survived an oddly calm if bile inducing sea voyage only to be strangled overnight.

***​

"A case? Already?" Elbert wasn't sure what to make of Beryl having gone ahead and sought them something to set their minds to, claiming to have made use of the so-called 'House of Mirrors' to guess at their intent after a couple of exchanged letters using a borrowed 'false raven'. That she'd even bothered was as bewildering as it was touching, but he was coming to regret that impulse to be grateful, and it wasn't as if the case wasn't just as odd as some of the other ones we've taken, Elbert admitted quietly in the confines of his own thoughts. Best not to imply outright he'd welcome more of the sort before present company. Beryl quickly got him up to speed before introducing him to the 'Triton' who would be his client by the pier they were known to come to regularly, leaving him with a mage to act as interpreter for him, though the man offered up the spell to both he and Wave Seeker so that they might understand each other promptly, calling that bit of absent-minded thoughtlessness of the spirit "expected, but frustrating" before leaving.

A Knight visiting from the Sunset Lands had claimed to be stranded out in a dinghy a few nights past with only a few Tritons in plain sight and missing all of his clothes, purse and even his sword, caught in naught but his undergarments, and he claimed that he had seen one of them in a tavern earlier and must have been responsible. The fact that the accused was sorely regretting keeping a blanket dry enough to keep the man from catching his death in a swim across the harbor was not lost on Elbert, either.

"What was he doing out there in the first place?" Elbert questioned the Triton, a venturesome youth who had scouted for the King's navy and guarded caravans and fat-bottomed trading vessels from as far as Qarth to Ibben. Brave and kind in equal measure, if he's telling the whole truth.

"He had started arguing with some other men from the land of the Dragon's walking kin, men in suits of iron. They did not seem to get along, but nowhere that night did I see them draw steel or lay hands on one another. Differences might be handled in Circle if it were not being torn down," the fish-man laughed. "I only tried to keep the man from freezing to death since he had hardly stayed dry the entire evening... truth be told I am not sure how he got placed in the boat either, or why he was soaked to the bone." The blue-skinned almost-man smiled with nearly guileless charm. "Perhaps a prank from less kindly quarters?"

"There any fey around here likely to have played a part?"

"Oh yes," the fish-man agreed, and suddenly Elbert didn't feel so out of his depth. You didn't stay afloat in Braavos during these days without being used to dealing with Fey and the chaos that unfolds from their merest mention, to say nothing of their direct involvement. Business empires have floundered and bounced back on the whim of such dealings. "More than you can imagine."

Finally, Elbert felt like he was walking on familiar ground once more. "Let's go over the events again, this time with all the details you can recall... names especially."

OOC: I hope you don't mind, @DragonParadox, but these two were just too interesting not to reuse and keep reusing.
 
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By all means reuse away, these are very interesting characters.

Did I hit the right notes with them? I will probably revisit them multiple times, since seeing that kind of perspective of legal matters swiftly organizing to catch up with all the variety of strange dealings of lower justice that might come up sounds fascinating and you cleanly made a connection for them through Beryl with any number of characters.
 
Looks like the knight angered one of Glyra's troop. I wonder if he did something particularly cruel or foolish that warranted being taught a lesson. Perhaps "Don't drink until you black out or you may find yourself missing quite a few belongings and awaken in an odd place"
 
Viserys before the dance?

Sounds risky. Viserys is used to acting in a certain way, if he were stuck without active quick-cast magic he might easily make a mistake and say something he can't back up.
It will take a while to get back in the mindset of every muggle being a serious threat.

Unless he could still turn into a dragon, then it would be some nice, harmless fun.

He would still be a high level PC though, even without magic or turning into a Dragon he still has HP, AC and BAB that makes him a god compared to the level what, 8 at most?
 
He would still be a high level PC though, even without magic or turning into a Dragon he still has HP, AC and BAB that makes him a god compared to the level what, 8 at most?

DP did say Dragonriders out of hand could rise to level 10, if they had a mind to do so. Given the capabilities of the best administrative or martial Dragonbloods, that makes a little sense. And the "cap" is more "soft" than we initially suspected if you had people rising above level 6 in purely social classes based on court experience alone. Though I guess in Rhaella's situation you could make the case that she was PC material from the start, just stunted by circumstance.

My idea for Viserys in the Dance is that he would constantly overestimate some people, but chronically forget to prepare for some facet of it all. For one thing, he would never at all think of the implications of being this badass loyal, smart and kind Dragonlord firmly and inexplicably in Rhaenyra's camp with zero to little explanations of his perhaps tragic and mysterious origins.

Viserys: "Oh... shazbot."
 
He would still be a high level PC though, even without magic or turning into a Dragon he still has HP, AC and BAB that makes him a god compared to the level what, 8 at most?
Not AC.
The Rest yes, depending on how inherently draconic we stay in a lesser world.

As a pure Sorcerer without magic we'd have a hard time.
With all Ex. benefits of being a dragon we could still rule Westeros with ease.
 
DP did say Dragonriders out of hand could rise to level 10, if they had a mind to do so. Given the capabilities of the best administrative or martial Dragonbloods, that makes a little sense. And the "cap" is more "soft" than we initially suspected if you had people rising above level 6 in purely social classes based on court experience alone. Though I guess in Rhaella's situation you could make the case that she was PC material from the start, just stunted by circumstance.

My idea for Viserys in the Dance is that he would constantly overestimate some people, but chronically forget to prepare for some facet of it all. For one thing, he would never at all think of the implications of being this badass loyal, smart and kind Dragonlord firmly and inexplicably in Rhaenyra's camp with zero to little explanations of his perhaps tragic and mysterious origins.

Viserys: "Oh... shazbot."

Even at level 10 they are only a real threat in numbers.

I can't see Viserys being quite so oblivious as you describe, there's knowledge and experience behind those +XX.
 
Even at level 10 they are only a real threat in numbers.

I can't see Viserys being quite so oblivious as you describe, there's knowledge and experience behind those +XX.

That's fair enough. I expect some pratfalls stemming from those types of situations, but he would ultimately catch on pretty damn quickly and course correct pronto.
 
Back to the Omake, I love these slice of life looks we get into our people. I particularly enjoy people adapting to each other, why I keep pushing for not feeding people's preconceptions for expediency, Viserys must be so proud that they follow his lead and meet his vision to be better.

Also basically fanon Jesus at this stage in his capital, can you imagine someone trying to rile up the Minotaurs for example.

M: You want us to rebel against our Lord, the one who took a death blow to the chest to save as many of us as he could from our own poor judgement rather than putting us down as he was fully capable? The one who later all but gave our people the ability to exercise judgment in the first place?

Come little man, I will take you to a mind healer. No really, I must insist.


I wonder if anyone is dumb (arrogant) enough to try it? We haven't heard much grumblings or failed grumblings outside of newly acquired territory.
 
Back to the Omake, I love these slice of life looks we get into our people. I particularly enjoy people adapting to each other, why I keep pushing for not feeding people's preconceptions for expediency, Viserys must be so proud that they follow his lead and meet his vision to be better.

Also basically fanon Jesus at this stage in his capital, can you imagine someone trying to rile up the Minotaurs for example.

M: You want us to rebel against our Lord, the one who took a death blow to the chest to save as many of us as he could from our own poor judgement rather than putting us down as he was fully capable? The one who later all but gave our people the ability to exercise judgment in the first place?

Come little man, I will take you to a mind healer. No really, I must insist.


I wonder if anyone is dumb (arrogant) enough to try it? We haven't heard much grumblings or failed grumblings outside of newly acquired territory.
That would be amazing to see. Like some idiot trying to "Turn" a Minotaur to become a spy and the Minotaur getting so offended by it he "accidentally" turns the guy into a red smear on the ground.
 
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