I'm not sure if they actually consider Viserys their worst enemy, they have only given that vision to Lucan, if they actually considered Viserys their worst enemy, then they would probably have given all their chosen such visions, so I find it more likely, that it's simply that Viserys is the enemy they feel Lucan is best suited to fighting, and so he was shown Viserys as the highest priority, as Viserys is Lucan's highest priority, they have other chosen concentrating on other priorities.
I'm not entirely sure how the pantheons hierarchy works but I think that the Father is in charge similar to Zeus's position in the Olympian Pantheon. So I'm thinking that's the Seven or at least the Father expected their Chosen to mimic said heriarchry therefore they only gave Lucan the vision and he'd direct the other Chosen on combating Viserys. Though your theory is also valid.
 
It still baffles my mind that we are, even way back then, a greater threat to the Seven than the swarming wrath of Winter. You know the thing that required a fuckall wall to be made the last time. A wall, which mind you, has an anti-teleportation scheme on it. Either the Seven have some poor time management or they saw something about us.
I believe a significant part of their issue may be that they have spent the last several millennia backing themselves into a metaphorical corner. Too much time, and too much faith from devout worshipers, have shaped the Seven in unfortunate ways...for them. Magic is anathema, the Seven Champions are all they need, the Others are insignificant threats, if they even exist, etc.

They're poster deities for the danger of letting your followers shape your doctrine.
 
It isn't fair to say the Seven hate us. But it is fair to say that their pantheon head is a dickwad and the Warrior is a pain to even think about. Though that doesn't leave the most stellar of reputations considering that the Crone champion was shanked by some nobody and god knows what the Smith, Mother and the Stranger are doing because we sure as hell dont. Only the Maiden doesn't hate us outright and thats assuming that Danielle and her god are on the same wavelength.

Edit: Though with no communication to their followers and general isolation I guess they aren't all to blame.
 
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I believe a significant part of their issue may be that they have spent the last several millennia backing themselves into a metaphorical corner. Too much time, and too much faith from devout worshipers, have shaped the Seven in unfortunate ways...for them. Magic is anathema, the Seven Champions are all they need, the Others are insignificant threats, if they even exist, etc.

They're poster deities for the danger of letting your followers shape your doctrine.
They lied too much, and now they're stuck trying to uphold an impossibility. Seems legit.

This must be why R'hllor made sure to be up-front when telling people he considers them all his slaves. If he hadn't been he'd probably be LG by now, just from the interpretations of his worshipers.
 
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I'm not entirely sure how the pantheons hierarchy works but I think that the Father is in charge similar to Zeus's position in the Olympian Pantheon. So I'm thinking that's the Seven or at least the Father expected their Chosen to mimic said heriarchry therefore they only gave Lucan the vision and he'd direct the other Chosen on combating Viserys. Though your theory is also valid.
That would work if all their chosen were near each other, but they were choosing champions all over Westeros, sure some of their chosen have met each other at this point, but for all we know, it might be that Danella and Lucan meeting each other, is it for them meeting each other, Brienne probably haven't met Lucan, and we don't know anything about the chosen of the Mother the Smith, the Crone,(aside from the Crones first chosen being dead, but she has probably picked a new one) and the Stranger, so it's far from sure they have met Lucan.

So even if the Father expected the other chosen to listen to Lucan's orders, well considering they weren't all chosen in the same area, it still don't work out, as he can't take control if he don't meet them.

So all in all, I find it rather unlikely that the Seven consider Viserys the greatest threat, the Father might do so, but if that's the case, then considering no other chosen seem to have been set upon us, it's likely he's the only one to do so.
 
It isn't fair to say the Seven hate us. But it is fair to say that their pantheon head is a dickwad and the Warrior is a pain to even think about. Though that doesn't leave the most stellar of reputations considering that the Crone champion was shanked by some nobody and god knows what the Smith, Maiden and the Stranger are doing because we sure as hell dont. Only the Mother doesn't hate us outright and thats assuming that Danielle and her god are on the same wavelength.

Edit: Though with no communication to their followers and general isolation I guess they aren't all to blame.
Danelle is the Chosen of the Maiden not the Mother, we have no idea who the Chosen of the Mother is.

Danelle wouldn't make much sense as the Chosen of the Mother, she's young, unmarried, and have no children, so she's still in the state of her life, where doctrine says she's supposed to pray to the Maiden, the Mother has no reason to choose her.

I expect the chosen of the Mother, to either be someone like Catelyn, meaning a woman who's extremely devoted to her children, or something like the Matron of an Orphanage(if the Mother want her chosen to be equally protective to all children, instead of having her own favored children.)
 
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Danelle is the Chosen of the Maiden not the Mother, we have no idea who the Chosen of the Mother is.

Danelle wouldn't make much sense as the Chosen of the Mother, she's young, unmarried, and have no children, so she's still in the state of her life, where doctrine says she's supposed to pray to the Maiden, the Mother has no reason to choose her.

Will fix thank you.


Edit: Catelyn better not be the chosen of the Mother because the moralizing alone would make it tempting to just end it all.
 
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Can I ask what merited this response? I don't think my theory was too ridiculous.

EDIT: though if it's the part about bitchslapping Avatars I can kinda understand how that's a bit ridiculous/prideful

Got it in one.

Edit: Though with no communication to their followers and general isolation I guess they aren't all to blame.
Divination is on Danielle's spell list. I expect her to make extensive use of it during her negotiations with bloodraven.
 
Divination is on Danielle's spell list. I expect her to make extensive use of it during her negotiations with bloodraven.

Hmm I admire your optimism but I don't see negotiations going anywhere till after a war. Like once the dust has settled and the escalation train has hit the brakes then probably but now is not that time. Plus isn't divination giving the vaguest of answers. We would be better off just bringing Yss to the table because clearly he is really good at this. God lawyer Yss
 
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"Oh, you mean that thing that sanctimonious bastard Lucan was trying to summon for five moon turns now," Aryssa laughed. "I tried to warn him... mostly because I knew he was too stupid to listen."

'Ravens will peck out the old king's eyes,' Aryssa had foretold to Lucan. Maybe if she had not goaded him Danelle might have been able to talk him out of his rash plan. Then again, the priestess could hardly blame her friend for being angry with the Voice of the Father. He treated her like something that should have been on a leash. 'Sow wind, reap the whirlwind,' the old saying went, and it looked like the storm was almost upon them.

"I think we should speak to the Three-Eyed-Raven, whoever he is. If someone does not hold out a hand of peace then there can only be war..."

"That..." the fey spirit trailed off, fingers running through her hair as she pondered the matter. "That is going to take some time to arrange, at least if we're going to have any surety of safe passage."

"I thought northerners kept to their oaths and that their... guardians hated oathbreakers?" Danelle replied startled.

"And I thought septons were men of peace and bearers of wise counsel," came the flippant reply. "Never trust the way the world aught to work."

Hmm I admire your optimism but I don't see negotiations going anywhere till after a war. Like once the dust has settled and the escalation train has hit the brakes then probably but now is not that time. Plus isn't divination giving the vaguest of answers. We would be better off just bringing Yss to the table because clearly he is really good at this. God lawyer Yss

Unless something changed Danelle was on her way.
 
Unless something changed Danelle was on her way.

The problem is more on Bloodravens side for peace. Not Danielle. Look at it like this. We haven't invaded yet. We have promised the blood of Andal families. So there is more incentive to wait till after we have purged the nobility to sue for peace. The voices get quieter, they get more power, the Old Gods are less angry and the Old Gods get peace from a position of power. They can get concessions and they get to calm down from that wrath and focus on the real shit. So the problem isn't peace, the problem is incentives for continuing and because of us there are many, for now at least. After our invasion peace is probably gonna happen.
 
The problem is more on Bloodravens side for peace. Not Danielle. Look at it like this. We haven't invaded yet. We have promised the blood of Andal families. So there is more incentive to wait till after we have purged the nobility to sue for peace. The voices get quieter, they get more power, the Old Gods are less angry and the Old Gods get peace from a position of power. They can get concessions and they get to calm down from that wrath and focus on the real shit. So the problem isn't peace, the problem is incentives for continuing and because of us there are many, for now at least. After our invasion peace is probably gonna happen.
Yeah the negotiations will be interesting, but in the end peace is unlikely, as the Seven wont want to pay reparations to the old gods, and the old gods, aren't going to let their ancient crimes stay unpunished.
 
The problem is more on Bloodravens side for peace. Not Danielle. Look at it like this. We haven't invaded yet. We have promised the blood of Andal families. So there is more incentive to wait till after we have purged the nobility to sue for peace. The voices get quieter, they get more power, the Old Gods are less angry and the Old Gods get peace from a position of power. They can get concessions and they get to calm down from that wrath and focus on the real shit. So the problem isn't peace, the problem is incentives for continuing and because of us there are many, for now at least. After our invasion peace is probably gonna happen.
Viserys is more effective at the negotiating table than the battlefield.

Which is insane given how effective we are at killing.
 
Bloodraven's whole game is to set up a bunch of good fall guy's for the Old God's to satiate the bloodlust or pride/ego from their apparent humiliation or extinguishing of bloodline, fortuitously coinciding with many of our own actions.

Basically, the plan is for him to set up his chosen Andal Houses, to do many of the following things:

1) Be supplanted in blood by First Men bloodlines by taking/seducing lithesome daughters away, losing their seats to them just as they had done similar to First Men lines. See Danar Crowl and Alyssa Grafton.
2) Make them renounce their Gods the Seven and convert to the Old Gods. See... Lord Grafton. Though that's more of our own doing, BR is obviously going to take advantage of it and probably try to repeat it with others.
3) Kill or trick or weaken their Champions and any invested powers. More opportunistic, but a lot of our work in Westeros has been the 'odd coincidence' variety that we're aware of due to the privilege of knowing about Bloodraven and him not even bothering to hide that he's dropping hints in our path.
4) Use widescale conflict from an invasion to have people simply die or whatnot, with no one able to accurately predict when or how due to acting through proxies.
5) And finally causing a schism in the Faith.

All of which we have contributed to in ways that he admittedly wouldn't capable of trapped in his tree over a thousand miles away from the action.

We really need to work on the Vale some more. If it weren't Devils involved, I would bet on Yohn to create a big enough conspiracy to hold down the Vale until we can direct our full attention on it, but he might be a little in over his head at this point. Almost makes me want to send Tyene and Waymar as trouble shooters for a month.
 
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Viserys is more effective at the negotiating table than the battlefield.

Which is insane given how effective we are at killing.

Which is great and all but that works on the assumption that peace is even a good idea for Viserys and our faction at the moment. Or in the near future. Do we want peace between the Seven and the Old Gods in the next couple of months?
 
Which is great and all but that works on the assumption that peace is even a good idea for Viserys and our faction at the moment. Or in the near future. Do we want peace between the Seven and the Old Gods in the next couple of months?
Seeing as that would decrease how many fucking irons we have in our fires, and possibly let us point Danelle and her group at more pressing targets...

Yes?

All of my yes possibly?

Well have to see what concessions we can get from them. I suspect Danelle to at least try begging for some of the Andal houses existences.
 
Seeing as that would decrease how many fucking irons we have in our fires, and possibly let us point Danelle and her group at more pressing targets...

Yes?

All of my yes possibly?

Well have to see what concessions we can get from them. I suspect Danelle to at least try begging for some of the Andal houses existences.

When the time comes for peace, hopefully it is one where we negotiate from a position of strength. Right now, to me, is not the best time but later is perfectly fine.
 
Well have to see what concessions we can get from them. I suspect Danelle to at least try begging for some of the Andal houses existences.
While begging from Danielle is very much in the table (she's cares for people and is not proud so she'd probably do it), actual concessions would have to be run past The Father, who's clearly not in the mood for negotiating if the attempt to sick Baelor on us is to be taken seriously.

I suspect how much we can actually get from negotiations very much depends on how much The Maiden can split from the party line-because the party line is 'fuck Viserys'.
 
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When the time comes for peace, hopefully it is one where we negotiate from a position of strength. Right now, to me, is not the best time but later is perfectly fine.

I feel now is a great time, we just dumpstered Baelor and the Old Gods are apparently feeling much more generous after that.

While begging from Danielle is very much in the table, I suspect concessions would have to be run past The Father, who's clearly not in the mood for negotiating if the attempt to sick Baelor on us is to be taken seriously.

I think they will advise, and make their opinions known.

They have shown time and again that they trust Danelles judgement.

Which has worked out pretty well for them (for her).
 
I think they will advise, and make their opinions known.

They have shown time and again that they trust Danelles judgement.

Which has worked out pretty well for them (for her).
The Maiden trusts Danielle. How much the others poke their heads into what the Maiden does with her Chosen is part of the question on how tied together the Seven are.
 
I feel now is a great time, we just dumpstered Baelor and the Old Gods are apparently feeling much more generous after that.

I would be feeling pretty generous too if my greatest enemies weapon was just taken out of the picture but not generous enough to sue for peace. At that point I am winning and I am going to take advantage of it. You know what? We can ask Bloodraven on our next visit. Just to be sure.
 
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