A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- France
You are a terrible person.
And also bad at maths.
Can't you see that peacetime is far better for the Fungus Forge?
War decreases the overall population. Peacetime increases it while providing corpses and (due to increasing population) will provide an ever-increasing number of corpses.
In the long run, it's better to have lots of peacetime where people being us their corpses (propaganda, yay!) than wars.
- Location
- Brazil
I'm inclined to let Phassen handle it, honestly.
- Location
- France
I like us being in charge.
- Location
- United States
Trying to predict what Slaver's Bay will do is rather difficult do the the level of delusion they're operating under. They may well actually try to invade us, convinced that it'll somehow work out.
Assuming that there's at least some decision makers without their heads completely up their asses, the Ghiscari will instead look for a new sorce of slaves which we aren't interfering with and create an alliance against us, presumably with Volantis and Qarth. The former obviously won't work, the latter very well might - the Qarthi like their slaves and dislike a unified Essos. Since the Dothraki are severely weakened as a geopolitical force ... Lhazar become their obvious target for a glorified slave raid.
Assuming that there's at least some decision makers without their heads completely up their asses, the Ghiscari will instead look for a new sorce of slaves which we aren't interfering with and create an alliance against us, presumably with Volantis and Qarth. The former obviously won't work, the latter very well might - the Qarthi like their slaves and dislike a unified Essos. Since the Dothraki are severely weakened as a geopolitical force ... Lhazar become their obvious target for a glorified slave raid.
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
- Location
- Russia
*eyes the 5000HD we got out of a scirmish with Lyseni army*
You know, I don't think I mind that
True, but with more corpses we can make more awesome (and-totally-not-absolutely-terrifying) things, and in turn bring more corpses
So, are we actually intending to do this? Just checking. Honestly it seems like some good old fashioned reassurance would be the way to go, at least if we can do it with words alone. Actual concessions seem less worthwhile.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
We would have to give some guarantee that we wouldn't, since we could freely change our mind at any point.
These are Essosi magisters, they don't trust their own mothers, even the ones who love them.
I kinda find this whole thing stupid because we could ruin them without anyone being able to cast blame on us anyway. So us having one less way to do that really does nothing for them.
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- United States
It seems to me that giving them stakes in the company and the colonization of the Royne would be the best way to handle this. It's not like we need the company as a tool to keep them in line, after all.
- Location
- Chicago
We have easier ways to ruin nobles we don't like than economic shenanigans, and those ways are less likely to have side effects on the people we do like.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
The goal would not be to block the passes, or even heavily tax the goods transported through them. Instead, we would patrol the surrounding territories, especially on the Eastern Essosi side of the continent to insure the smooth flow of commerce, preventing bandits from preying on caravans, slaying dangerous creatures, etc., while further legitimizing the Imperium as the power on our side of the continent.
Eventually, our own merchants could set up and begin purchasing goods directly from the caravans that use the mountain passes, which would be cheaper than waiting for them to reach the markets normally. We can certainly transport the goods the rest of the way quicker and more cheaply.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
If the landowners are concerned we will use our control of grain production to price them out of the market, we could always encourage them to cultivate different crops which would not be subject to as much competition.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
We could even offer to help them source the crops/seedstock, since it would eventually get taxed by us anyway and it's money in the pocket that we wouldn't have if they didn't branch out.
- Location
- ?????????
I agree with you completely but this may not be the best way to assuage their fears.
I am thinking that giving them shares is the best idea. As for colonization rights...I would prefer if it were the city/state itself rather than some wealthy land lords doing such a thing. That usually tends to end either with a bunch of failed colonies or a lot of land owned by a select few. If the city/state does it then it can be turned over to a new administration and the city won't complain...much. If we have to state the region properly with landowners it just turns into a bunch of negotiations, concessions and frustration. At least thats how I am seeing it.
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Fungus Leshy: Indeed it does. When mushrooms win everyone wins.
*happily ponders all-you-can eat corpse buffet*
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- ?????????
Speaking of that, how did the fungus leshy react to that many corpses being dumped in its home? I imagine ecstatic is the least it felt.
- Location
- Germany
I suspect they'll despair and collapse into fiends (mostly Daemons) long before they gather the courage or the madness to go out fighting like that.
- Location
- Argentina
Do we need to spend a substantial amount of time to create cosmetic variations from our current Leshys?
I mean, Black Lotus and Black Poppy Leshys could play as the funerary service for our population. I just don't want to shove an all colorful magenta flower in their faces while we suggest they give us their deceased granpa. Black implies respect for the dead.
- Location
- Germany
[X] Plan "But wait! There is more!"
-[X] First and foremost, assure them that they are now citizens of your realm and while that means some changes they might find unpleasant now, it also means that they will see great opportunities and improvements coming to their lands. // Dangling the carrot a bit. SD turned from pirate hole to economic power-house in less then two years, so nobody can dispute our business acumen.
-[X] You are also glad that they have come here to voice their concerns and you are confident that you can find some common ground here. This is much more pleasant then the unfortunate events in Lys earlier this month... // You are cooperating. Cooperating is good. Did you know that not cooperating is scientifically proven to have a negative impact on your life-expectancy?
-[X] First off, the Golden Fields Agriculture Consortium is not going to focus on grain. It is named after the region and will soon expand operations there. The name was chosen to advertise the colonization efforts in the former Rhyonish lands and to draw the interest of others to invest there. The focus of the company will be cash crops, especially some exotic plants we hope to obtain in Yi-Ti. // My reasoning for the name and what we wanted to do with this thing.
-[X] However, there will indeed be a slump in the price for grain, due to the spread of the Harvest Ritual and some other measures that will improve fertility of the lands. This would have happened anyway and is not related to the new company. Though this doesn't mean that they need to be afraid, in fact, they should rejoice. They will soon produce more grain with less land and labor, freeing up fields to diversify their businesses and invest. // Economics 101 - Magic Edition. What they worry about is a valid concern, but an inevitable one. The questions shouldn't be "How do I stop this?" but "How to I benefit from this?"
-[X] In fact, your new company is still eagerly looking for properties to expand. Even less productive and smaller fields would be quite interesting, since areas that are ill suited for grain could be well suited for tea and medicinal herbs can be easily grown on small properties. If they are worried that the new company will endanger their profits, why fight it? You would be glad to have them join in. The details are handled by your people and this is hardly the right setting to do penny counting, but you can give their names to the ACSEC people, who in turn can them patch through to the right people at RSH. You would gladly sell some shares of the new company for more land in the area. // This is the best kind of deal. The one where everyone profits. They can get rid of some less profitable parcels and gain valuable company shares. We in turn get a bunch of land that is already arable and connected to the local infrastructure and can easily turn a hefty profit by growing different crops there.
-[X] First and foremost, assure them that they are now citizens of your realm and while that means some changes they might find unpleasant now, it also means that they will see great opportunities and improvements coming to their lands. // Dangling the carrot a bit. SD turned from pirate hole to economic power-house in less then two years, so nobody can dispute our business acumen.
-[X] You are also glad that they have come here to voice their concerns and you are confident that you can find some common ground here. This is much more pleasant then the unfortunate events in Lys earlier this month... // You are cooperating. Cooperating is good. Did you know that not cooperating is scientifically proven to have a negative impact on your life-expectancy?
-[X] First off, the Golden Fields Agriculture Consortium is not going to focus on grain. It is named after the region and will soon expand operations there. The name was chosen to advertise the colonization efforts in the former Rhyonish lands and to draw the interest of others to invest there. The focus of the company will be cash crops, especially some exotic plants we hope to obtain in Yi-Ti. // My reasoning for the name and what we wanted to do with this thing.
-[X] However, there will indeed be a slump in the price for grain, due to the spread of the Harvest Ritual and some other measures that will improve fertility of the lands. This would have happened anyway and is not related to the new company. Though this doesn't mean that they need to be afraid, in fact, they should rejoice. They will soon produce more grain with less land and labor, freeing up fields to diversify their businesses and invest. // Economics 101 - Magic Edition. What they worry about is a valid concern, but an inevitable one. The questions shouldn't be "How do I stop this?" but "How to I benefit from this?"
-[X] In fact, your new company is still eagerly looking for properties to expand. Even less productive and smaller fields would be quite interesting, since areas that are ill suited for grain could be well suited for tea and medicinal herbs can be easily grown on small properties. If they are worried that the new company will endanger their profits, why fight it? You would be glad to have them join in. The details are handled by your people and this is hardly the right setting to do penny counting, but you can give their names to the ACSEC people, who in turn can them patch through to the right people at RSH. You would gladly sell some shares of the new company for more land in the area. // This is the best kind of deal. The one where everyone profits. They can get rid of some less profitable parcels and gain valuable company shares. We in turn get a bunch of land that is already arable and connected to the local infrastructure and can easily turn a hefty profit by growing different crops there.
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- Location
- Germany
That's a recent development. The funerary color in medieval Europe is white.