By the way, do you think Slaver's Bay will collapse anytime soon?

As far as I understand it the Dothraki were one of their biggest providers of raw material slaves, while the Free Cities were the best buyers.
Both sides of that industrie are dead now.

I guess they can still get some slaves, at least through breeding and Lahzareen-raids and they can propably sell some of them east, to Quarth or Yi-Ti, but that's a fraction of the former income and output.
They're under a combined assault from Yrael and Relath, and Amrelath and Relath are teaming up to build a Legion as we speak. Slaver's Bay will not survive the next few months.
 
After Westeros. So over a year from now.

We just don't have the means to move that far east without having logistics chain set up before hand. It'll require all the major settlements being under our control that far east.
Logistics actually isn't an issue worth considering for the fortresses. A single Create Greater Demiplane scroll to establish a 17 day long portal Gate connecting our Demiplane to the desired location would allow us to move all of the necessary men and material to construct and supply a fortress. Water could be supplied via Decanter and a single Greater Teleport trip from Viserys could transport six months or more worth of food, so keeping them provisioned would not be an issue.

I think being able to devote adequate manpower to staff all of the fortresses would be the greatest hurdle right now.
 
By the way, do you think Slaver's Bay will collapse anytime soon?

As far as I understand it the Dothraki were one of their biggest providers of raw material slaves, while the Free Cities were the best buyers.
Both sides of that industrie are dead now.

I guess they can still get some slaves, at least through breeding and Lahzareen-raids and they can propably sell some of them east, to Quarth or Yi-Ti, but that's a fraction of the former income and output.
They are probably keeping up some business with Volantis too, but even that gets dicey by now and our raiders have begun to go after Qartheen shipping too.

Economically, they are up shit creek without a paddle.

So, yeah, I'm expecting martial law in a few months and total societal collapse within a year. Their entire civilization is no longer viable.


Speaking about civlization and time zones.

@egoo, could you add this to the minor actions?
-[] The scheduling issues of the Festival have drawn attention to the same problems within ACSEC cropping up. The rise and fall of the sun is a bad way to measure time when Sorcerers Deep and Ibben are just a Brazier call away from each other. Inquire with the SDs Engineers Guild and the Myrish Glassmaker Guild about accurate, mechanical or magical clocks. Define and establish Imperial Standard Time, so that all your holdings and business ventures can use one unified time.

Mind you, this doesn't mean time zones. This means UTC and everyone using UTC. That daylight hours are 22:00 to 10:00 in Ibben while SD has 7:00 to 19:00 is odd to us, but nobody on Planetos will care. And it's one of those nice things that unifies the realm and makes commerce easier.
 
Am I the only one who got a sudden desire to systematically do something terrible "for the greater good"?
How about we summon some outsiders and sacrifice them to create some infrastructure, materials and/or get boons from our resident snake?
Mind you, this doesn't mean time zones. This means UTC and everyone using UTC. That daylight hours are 22:00 to 10:00 in Ibben while SD has 7:00 to 19:00 is odd to us, but nobody on Planetos will care. And it's one of those nice things that unifies the realm and makes commerce easier.
And you provided an in-character reason why Viserys would think about that. :))
 
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They're under a combined assault from Yrael and Relath, and Amrelath and Relath are teaming up to build a Legion as we speak. Slaver's Bay will not survive the next few months.
Those have not yet led an army to the Bay and the economic damage from the regions Yrael and Relath are controlling is near 0 now since we destroyed the business-opportunities, which is worse than loosing any percentage of traders going west.

The military situation is only relevant to Slaver's Bay in that their defeats demoralize them further. On the practical level they have nothing to win anymore, barring the minor income from selling slaves to Qohor in a long and dangerous trip through half the continent if Tolos wasn't blocking that way.

If they continue to try attacking Relath and Yrael it will only be for pride's sake or out of insanity, regardless how good or bad their odds to win might be, at least once Volantis officially declares for us, rather than reducing slavery slowly as they do now.
 
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Logistics actually isn't an issue worth considering for the fortresses. A single Create Greater Demiplane scroll to establish a 17 day long portal Gate connecting our Demiplane to the desired location would allow us to move all of the necessary men and material to construct and supply a fortress. Water could be supplied via Decanter and a single Greater Teleport trip from Viserys could transport six months or more worth of food, so keeping them provisioned would not be an issue.

I think being able to devote adequate manpower to staff all of the fortresses would be the greatest hurdle right now.
Reminder here that there are big trader cities who rely on these passes being open. Even if we somehow manage to get a fortress up before they react, that still means war in the east.

In our current geo-political situation, I see no reason to do this. We get little and greatly overextend ourselves. Even more so then we already do.
 
Those have not yet led an army to the Bay and the economic damage from the regions Yrael and Relath are controlling is near 0 now since we destroyed the business-opportunities, which is worse than loosing any percentage of traders going west.

The military situation is only relevant to Slaver's Bay in that their defeats demoralize them further. On the practical level they have nothing to win anymore, barring the minor income from selling slaves to Qohor in a long and dangerous trip through half the continent if Tolos wasn't blocking that way.

If they continue to try attacking Relath and Yrael it will only be for pride's sake or out of insanity, regardless how good or bad their odds to win might be, at least once Volantis officially declares for us, rather than reducing slavery slowly as they do now.
It's not like Relath and Yrael are going to stop attacking them, if they stop attacking Relath and Yrael, Yrael is committed to taking the Slaver cities, as there are countless people there in need of help, and Relath want the loot he would get from such a campaign.
 
The Slaver cities have heavily relied on their one product. Now that their source of funding, in that regard, is gone or going. They cant do much. What we are seeing is the perfect example of what happens when you don't diversify your trade/produced goods. But with war and raiding on top of their problems.

This about sums it up?
 
It's not like Relath and Yrael are going to stop attacking them, if they stop attacking Relath and Yrael, Yrael is committed to taking the Slaver cities, as there are countless people there in need of help, and Relath want the loot he would get from such a campaign.
I don't think they should attack the big cities themselves.
Expand raiding to hinder eastern trade as well? Sure, go for it.

But giving the masters propaganda-help by putting armies before their cities to justify martial law and economic breakdown to the entire population? No.
Not until we can make a swift and efficient takeover, or they start attracting enough Daemons to force us into action.
 
How about we summon some outsiders and sacrifice them to create some infrastructure, materials and/or get boons from our resident snake?
Nah, that's just being efficient :p

@egoo, could you add this to the minor actions?
-[] The scheduling issues of the Festival have drawn attention to the same problems within ACSEC cropping up. The rise and fall of the sun is a bad way to measure time when Sorcerers Deep and Ibben are just a Brazier call away from each other. Inquire with the SDs Engineers Guild and the Myrish Glassmaker Guild about accurate, mechanical or magical clocks. Define and establish Imperial Standard Time, so that all your holdings and business ventures can use one unified time.
To the list for the current month, or doing it the next one?

I'm just throwing everything anyone wishes for throughout the month under the same threadmark's tab anyway :/
 
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The Slaver cities have heavily relied on their one product. Now that their source of funding, in that regard, is gone or going. They cant do much. What we are seeing is the perfect example of what happens when you don't diversify your trade/produced goods. But with war and raiding on top of their problems.

This about sums it up?
Yeah. It's a lot like Venezuala going tits up when the oil price tanked, except worse and with a lot of people shooting you.
It's not like Relath and Yrael are going to stop attacking them, if they stop attacking Relath and Yrael, Yrael is committed to taking the Slaver cities, as there are countless people there in need of help, and Relath want the loot he would get from such a campaign.
While there have been ongoing naval engagements and raiding, Mantarys and Tolos never directly attacked the mainland. They have fought a purely defensive war so far and honestly didn't have the numbers to go on the offense anyway.

As for my predictions for the future, I expect Slavers Bay to unite and go out in a suicide charge. They are sitting in a hole and are entirely out of options, so their best bet is to throw everything they got at someone in a Hail Mary attack and hoping that they get enough territory and income to sustain themselves.

That means either going all out against us, conquering the Lhazareen or trying to take the western Qarteen tributaries.
 
Part MMDLXX: Growing Pains
Growing Pains

Ninth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

Though Lhazosh still feels far indeed from your current concerns with all the work yet to be done in securing your most recent round of conquests, Malarys makes a fine point. Better to have an ear to the ground and not yet need it than the reverse. You set them on their way with a three-thousand league step to Mantarys and beyond. It is not without a twinge of trepidation and, if you are to be honest, disappointment, that you leave them on that low nameless hill east of Yunkai and return to your duties.

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Tenth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

You do not have long to ponder the paths and perils of the east, however, for that very evening you have been invited to discuss the fate of Myr with Lady Dorera Phassen and other 'concerned parties' within the city. The evening begins pleasantly enough with an announcement that the implementation of a web of messengers through the city's hinterlands is well underway, and will likely be available to high and low alike within one or two moon-turns. Additionally, recruitment for the Legion is well under way and a new galleon is taking shape in the harbor, if not with the swiftness of Braavos' Arsenal then certainly fast enough that you are reasonably sure most of the supply clerks and shipwright supervisors will be keeping their current positions.

Establish Messenger Service progress: 13/28

Where your distinguished guests have a concern is with the creation of the Golden Fields Agriculture Consortium. All well and good for the lord of the city, or of many cities, to be involved in trade, perfectly reasonable that you should take your share of the Stepstones toll, but the prospect of a juggernaut in the grain and cash-crop market built from the former Rhoynar lands is rather worrisome to many of the great landowning families. Though none say it in so many ways, it is clear the magisters in question fear that you would simply use your share of the market to bludgeon any family that fell out of favor into bankruptcy. At least they are not complaining about bleeding workers after the emancipation of the slaves. There had been a handful of Tyroshi magisters stupid enough to argue that.

Establish Manufacturing Business (Golden Fields Agriculture Consortium) progress: 8/20

By contrast Lady Phassen does not seem much minded to help the representatives of the latifundiary interests beyond organizing the meeting and arranging for your presence. As the night advances and the other representatives begin to sweat at the prospect of your answers she remains at ease and gracious as though this were a purely social event. She dances with a handful of Legion officers, Aubert Flowers chief among them, and makes moves to open discussions with several high ranking Astral Currents officials.

However hard she may be to read for her fellow magisters, it does not take you long to realize what she had done, served up the major opposition faction in Myr for royal disfavor over their obstructionism while placing herself perfectly as the one best equipped to sweep the problem aside as soon as she is properly confirmed governor of the city.

Still, for all they are trapped in a political power play, the concerns of the other Myrish representatives are not to be lightly discounted. If they feel trapped between the anvil of centralized power and the unseen hammer of price manipulation they might act unwisely. Though any rebellion in Myr has no chance of succeeding, you can certainly see it doing some damage to your plans. Unlike the nearly lawless Eastern Flatlands you have little cause to establish martial law in the Daughters' March and the power structures of the local magisters are shaken but intact. It would be far better for them if you could just unruffle the magisters' feathers and set them on the path to peace and prosperity you wish for the region.

How do you address the Myrish magisters' concerns?

[] Make it clear that there is no problem save in their own mind
-[] Let Lady Phassen deal with them
-[] Make a note to handle the unrest through your own instruments

[] Try to assuage their concerns
-[] Write in how


OOC: Even the most conservative Essosi magisters have a keen understanding of how markets work. Keep in mind, though, these people are not your enemies right now. They came with your with concerns. How you deal with it will dictate how the region's noble class will react.
 
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As Slaver's Bay collapses, there will be a LOT of dead people. That would be a perfect moment to arrange a Balor-summoning or something.
Hell, Mammon would probably let them summon something powerful on the cheap, just to get back at us somehow.

That's why I'm a huge fan of Azel's "expand the Inquisition everywhere" plans.
 
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As Slaver's Bay collapses, there will be a LOT of dead people. That would be a perfect moment to arrange a Balor-summoning or something.
Hell, Mammon would probably let them summon something powerful on the cheap, just to get back at us somehow.

That's why I'm a huge fan of Azel's "expand the Inquisition everywhere" plans.
I think I'm starting to slip into Herr Major's mindset, the one from Hellsing Ultimate (and Abridged too, to a point).

I love War.
So many bodies to mulch in Mossforge.

So many sacrifices to, well, sacrifice.

So many things to loot from defeated owners, who have no right to argue, and yet don't be the "bad guy", but merely a winner...

And the morale of our people, oh, don't get me started on Viserys of all people giving someone a target...
 
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Okay so how are we planning on assuaging the landowners that we are not going to utterly ruin them with the grain juggernaut we just finished making. Its a crown company so maybe give them some shares?
 
[X] Azel


I think I'm starting to slip into Herr Major's mindset, the one from Hellsing Ultimate (and Abridged too, to a point).

I love War.
So many bodies to mulch in Mossforge.

So many sacrifices to, well, sacrifice.

So many things to loot from defeated owners, who have no right to argue, and yet don't be the "bad guy", but merely a winner...

And the morale of our people, oh, don't get me started on Viserys of all people giving someone a target...

... you just went totally chaotic evil for no reason.
 
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