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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
[X] Tell Aeden that before we take such drastic steps, which the False Dragon might divine using his own powerful magic, we will first perform a Divination to discover the best course of action to move forward.
-[X] Perform a fake Divination, suitably hammed up with illusions or other special effects, which will reveal to us that it wasn't the False Dragon who attempted to have Aeden assassinated, but was actually a faction within the Assembly of Lys who paid the Sorrowful Men to end his life, and that they are also responsible for the spread of disease among the camps of his men.
--[X] The course is clear. He must deal with the traitors at home before they can make further attempts on his life, or the lives of his men.
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That incites a civil war. I thought we wanted to take Lys mostly intact, therefore get the fanatic army outside?
 
Duesal said:
I think we might be better off having Waymar brew emergency alchemical cures, with help from Tyene. I'd rather Lys be mostly unmolested when we take it rather than sacked before we even get there.

Maybe provide him the cures and then urge him to move quickly in the Disputed Lands?
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Because winning versus the false dragon will also make his position in Lys unassailable.
 
Goldfish said:
[X] Tell Aeden that before we take such drastic steps, which the False Dragon might divine using his own powerful magic, we will first perform a Divination to discover the best course of action to move forward.
-[X] Perform a fake Divination, suitably hammed up with illusions or other special effects, which will reveal to us that it wasn't the False Dragon who attempted to have Aeden assassinated, but was actually a faction within the Assembly of Lys who paid the Sorrowful Men to end his life, and that they are also responsible for the spread of disease among the camps of his men.
--[X] The course is clear. He must deal with the traitors at home before they can make further attempts on his life, or the lives of his men.
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Not a fan.
We need his army in the field, not just for our clear case, but also to let Rhango have his victories.

Besides, many Lyseni will propably support him, so the conquest will be less clean than the other way.
 
MTB said:
Because winning versus the false dragon will also make his position in Lys unassailable.
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That is a very good point. He's already sure that he'll win, so he won't need much convincing to get to the battlefield once we cure his armies.
Artemis1992 said:
Not a fan.
We need his army in the field, not just for our clear case, but also to let Rhango have his victories.

Besides, many Lyseni will propably support him, so the conquest will be less clean than the other way.
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Right, Rhango does need his victory. He was already denied one city thanks to Dany going rogue.
 
If he can perform a mostly bloodless coup, especially with our assistance, he would have the full force of Lys' military and whatever levy conscripts there are available to throw against us.
 
What if we have him capture our ships, because the Dragon will Divine the death of his men?
And then we free our guys and compensate them for the inconvenience, of course.
 
Goldfish said:
If he can perform a mostly bloodless coup, especially with our assistance, he would have the full force of Lys' military and whatever levy conscripts there are available to throw against us.
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Mostly bloodless meaning just the leaders being head-shortened. Aren't we kind of relying on them to hand us Lys after their army's defeat?
 
MTB said:
Mostly bloodless meaning just the leaders being head-shortened. Aren't we kind of relying on them to hand us Lys after their army's defeat?
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If the former leaders are dead, at the hands of the new leader, who then forces us to kill him through his "unprovoked attack", then we can just slide right into Lys as the new Dragon in town.
 
Goldfish said:
If the former leaders are dead, at the hands of the new leader, who then forces us to kill him through his "unprovoked attack", then we can just slide right into Lys as the new Dragon in town.
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You mean stop the then ongoing civil war? Leaderless people seeing an enemy army approaching may do unreasonable things.
And in this scenario, who's left to give us the keys to the city?
 
Heal army with Waymar's expertise (and a Greater Ribbon of Disguise), divine that the attack on the ships will fail, proceed as earlier described.
Sth like this?
 
Give his army a miraculous cure on short notice? Say that due to his bumbling about we had to spend a lot of precious resources and he damn better get his army going soonish or else things will go bad for him?
 
MTB said:
Heal army with Waymar's expertise (and a Greater Ribbon of Disguise), divine that the attack on the ships will fail, proceed as earlier described.
Sth like this?
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We have no ability to cure so many people of disease. With the right spell loadouts for Dany, and all the rest of the Companions with the needed spells, we could heal a couple hundred people per day, maybe, but it would take dedicated effort to do it. To cure an entire army? No chance.
 
// Thoughts?
[] Plan 'Get your ass moving'
-[] Perform false divination about the outcome of an attack of the Silver Serpent ships. Go with 'bad'.
-[] Perform false divination for 'how likely is a favorable outcome if he attacks within the next three days'. Go with 'highly'.
-[] Offer to provide the means to cure the army, citing preparations taken in previous times. >> Produce alchemical remedies either from stock or with Waymar's help to cure the army.
 
Goldfish said:
We have no ability to cure so many people of disease. With the right spell loadouts for Dany, and all the rest of the Companions with the needed spells, we could heal a couple hundred people per day, maybe, but it would take dedicated effort to do it. To cure an entire army? No chance.
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Nothing alchemical we could create?
And if so, how long would that take to create?
 
Goldfish said:
We have no ability to cure so many people of disease. With the right spell loadouts for Dany, and all the rest of the Companions with the needed spells, we could heal a couple hundred people per day, maybe, but it would take dedicated effort to do it. To cure an entire army? No chance.
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Why not assign Waymar and Tyene time to mass-produce a cure?
 
...I don't like this situation.
I don't want to change our main plan.
I don't want to spend the rest of the month puppeteering him.
I don't mind having a ship or two burned.

I'm very conflicted and I'm callung out to an obvious choice of a decision here.
@Azel, @Azel, @Azel!

[X] Azel
 
MTB said:
Nothing alchemical we could create?
And if so, how long would that take to create?
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Duesal said:
Why not assign Waymar and Tyene time to mass-produce a cure?
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That's not how Alchemy works. We could make Antiplague (which only enhances one's ability to resist disease by granting a +5 Fortitude bonus), but even with a full week of Alchemy cheese using Valeria and Mercy to do the work of hundreds of Alchemists, we would only be able to produce 205 doses. This is why @Azel and I have worked to industrialize Alchemy production to make stuff in large quantities, but that's months from being ready.

Alchemy isn't the solution in this case, nor is magic.
 
You know, I was going to argue against murdering the sane administrators before we've even moved in on Lys, you know, the ones that would have helped us run the place afterwards?

But, if I'm not wrong, @DragonParadox, the standard modus operandi for Lyseni removing obstacles is quite... well, put one way, the Tyroshi might remove rivals with the calcified remains of the legal code and press the advantage with brute force if moved to desperation, but the Lyseni are, at least against the mundanes they've been pitted against, actually competent at assassination of their rivals. I also assume they're somewhat more able at leveraging trade than the Tyroshi were. Meaning they could resort to less insane chicanery before offing someone important.

So I can't help but think we'd be forced to kill some of these "sane" bureaucrats anyway.

We're also fortunate that Aedon won't be moved to kill children (or the mostly uninvolved family members) because it is gauche by Lyseni standards to kill the young during political maneuvering. Or at least it shouldn't be unusual or difficult to convince him of that.

Yeah, I dunno, replacing the entire administration with people hired from Braavos, our own realm, and maybe a couple loaned from Mantarys and Tolos (and perhaps even Myr, for a bit of extra irony) might be more effective in the end, with no real leaders left to oppose the changes (since the Slavers will kill them all in their homes, and we'll kill all the Slavers in the field).
 
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