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Yeah. While I lament the loss of Tenochtitlan and precious history and artifacts, the official "Aztec Empire" can burn for all I care.
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You can say the natives that live near the Aztecs see Charles as a saint to them because he actually doesn't hurt them that bad and that's from their pov
Well, the reason why Spain was able to conquer empires with few soldiers, in addition to diseases, was because many of those native empires brutally oppressed other native people to the point that they preferred the Spanish, who were complete strangers.
Speaking of Money, I think there should be a tax reform aside from the Autonomous Serf-Towns Program.
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-[] The Octavian Tax Reform: With the rising expenses of projects His Majesty is introducing and the Programs The Government is handling, Octavian begins the creation of an official Taxation Policy that embarks from the old traditionalist system of property tax and then some (mostly punishing peasants). The Tax Reform introduces the concept of a more expanded and yearly census (with evidence) accounting income of individuals and the household on a yearly basis, their occupation (Jobs), and for business owners to account for their income and their forms of businesses. Based on the data collected, a yearly-based system of "Income Tax" and "Business Tax" is introduced on the basis of rates and percentages (conveniently, Higher-income Individuals are to pay higher than low-income).Property Tax (having their own rate) is reformed to be based on the municipality rather than the region. Tax Fraud and Tax Evasion would be considered as an officially documented crime against His Majesty and his Loyal Government with a heavy penalty to those who attempt to perform them.
What would you recommend on changing about it? I admit, it feels too developed, however I do not have much to work with in terms of sources dictating of the History of Taxation of Europe aside from the idea that Taxes were based on Property, Salt (and other Foods), and Resources (Tariffs).
Also, I found the Greek Spy that worked for Suleiman to bring down the Greeks:
Andreas Palaiologos (son of Manuel) - Wikipedia
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I'd advise dropping it for now honestly, and doing it in chunks. Establish taxes for one group at a time, but in general just forget this for now, because we need at least five years of schooling and to invest in economic studies before we have the surplus of accountants needed for this manner of taxation to be possible. Do the economics test studies first, wait a few turns, found the ministry of accountancy and taxation as something that oversees taxes and provides consultation for investments, and then start introducing taxation piecemeal to give them time to adjust to each new tax and expand their workforce in between.
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Well one thing that we can do is actually put tariffs on our goods rather then rely on local governments to tariff their own rates on goods.
Right now Italy is in a wierd position where it is operating on a quasi free market, with no tarrifs in imports or exports in most ports. While there are local tariffs that are being used there is no tariff that is in every port, and those local tariffs are around only half a percent of any given goods value.
There are large banking corporations and weapons manufacturers that have begun to chaff and not like these strange things, as the cheap goods and materials to produce them are being exported to other nations.
While adopting total mercantile or protectionist policies be impossible as many merchants would protest, adopting measures to protect Italian interests should be on the table for any government.
Now this is not a perfect picture of the situation (investing in fact finding missions are there)
But it's a glimpse into Italys money making ways beyond taxes and diplomatic stipends.
It's only through the wizardry of this current government that we have a surplus.
Right now Italy is in a wierd position where it is operating on a quasi free market, with no tarrifs in imports or exports in most ports. While there are local tariffs that are being used there is no tariff that is in every port, and those local tariffs are around only half a percent of any given goods value.
There are large banking corporations and weapons manufacturers that have begun to chaff and not like these strange things, as the cheap goods and materials to produce them are being exported to other nations.
While adopting total mercantile or protectionist policies be impossible as many merchants would protest, adopting measures to protect Italian interests should be on the table for any government.
Now this is not a perfect picture of the situation (investing in fact finding missions are there)
But it's a glimpse into Italys money making ways beyond taxes and diplomatic stipends.
It's only through the wizardry of this current government that we have a surplus.
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Actually..I think we need to invest towards the creation of Economics as an actual field of Study and Learning for the Students..because it's creation has been attributed to the 1700s in its founding by Adam Smith.
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-[] The Octavian Electives Schooling: Believing an addition could be developed for the creation of a new field of Study that would benefit Italy as a whole for the future. Octavian approaches the Parliament with the proposal of a collection of Elective Classes for Students to attend on their own choice compared to Mandatory Subjects. The Following would be accounted as Electives: Economics (Championed by Octavian as a worthy Field of Study with the creation of a book dedicated to its current history to learn from, and a guidance plan towards utilising real examples and allows the Students to explore and receive help when they request for it), Engineering, Political Studies, Medical Sciences (Championed by Octavian as another field of study to approach, inviting Medical Experts that has the desire of teaching to..well teach), Chemical Sciences (Proposed by Octavian as a result to His Majesty's innovation and creation of a field of Study).
That should be a good start (Assuming Philosophy would've been counted as a Mandatory Class), if not It'll count as an elective.
Or, we could change it around to have Economics as a Mandatory Class, thus it becoming something like:
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-[] The Octavian Economics Field of Study: Believing an addition could be developed for the creation of a new field of Study that would benefit Italy as a whole for the future. Octavian approaches the Parliament with the proposal of an additional class on the basis he dubs "Economics" -- The Study of the concept of "Wealth". He also introduces a Book that collects all past economics-related notes, thought processes, and how it would've been practiced.
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Boo hoo, welcome to the free market: Sink or swim. If they realy want to get these materials they either find a new source or buy the price. If a merchant can find more profit selling to France then an Italian company, then it's the fault of the company, not the govermant. We should be happy instead because entrepeneurs are incentivised to search for new sources of materials and greater production, goverment intervention would ruin this.
One factor of economics that might come up, is the pure stats and graphs perspective and the more political/Philosophical. Of which, well….
Both have their benefits and problems.
(One study found it was more economical to encourage smoking because the shrunk lifespan would reduce the time being a drain of resources. Although said economist thenregisteredrejigged the calcs by adding 'the value of a human life' into the equation.)
And an IRL instance caused by an intersection of common economic field knowledge and politics created massive famine as Chinese farmers were encouraged to make steel for the state, instead of building centralized factories to do so like nearly everyone else does. More steel =More economic output is a bit more complicated than that.
Both have their benefits and problems.
(One study found it was more economical to encourage smoking because the shrunk lifespan would reduce the time being a drain of resources. Although said economist then
And an IRL instance caused by an intersection of common economic field knowledge and politics created massive famine as Chinese farmers were encouraged to make steel for the state, instead of building centralized factories to do so like nearly everyone else does. More steel =More economic output is a bit more complicated than that.
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As much as I agree with everything you say.
It is in the itlalian states best interest to keep them happy.
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Can't a guy hope for a world where backwards protectionism doesn't exsist... but atleast I hope our intervention would be minimal. What are the stances of the factions regarding this issue?
Also, any assets like factories and mines outside of Italy aren't really secure. Not as bad when we ship finished goods out, but if we start importing important goods, it may become a problem. Like say, when everyone needs face masks and one of the nations with factories making the stuff confiscates the masks meant for other nations because they need masks NOW too.
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All factions pretty much need and want to have some level of protectionism.
The Republicans are the most active in that regard. While not on a command economy level, they do want to protect all Italian Factories and manufacturies.
The moderates don't give a fuck and don't want to spend money on something that might only piss people off… but will engage in just enough to make people happy.
And the Grazinis have no interest in protectionism whatsoever. Mostly because they want to expand and expand aggressively to get the resources they need.
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The Aztecs weren't hated because of the Human Sacrifices - plenty other Tribes and Peoples in the Area did these too.
The Aztecs were hated because they were the local Top Dog Empire and did the things Top Dog Empires, no matter what culture, time and place they belong to, always do to their foreign Subjects.
If, say, the Tlaxcaltecs or the Mixtecs had been the top dogs when the Spanish arrived, the Aztecs would have allied with the Spanish against them just the same as those People sided with the Spanish in OTL.
Mind you, the point that a potential Aztec 'resurgence' would not have many friends still stands, but let's not pretend that they were some unique evil of the time and place they lived in. They weren't.
The Aztecs were hated because they were the local Top Dog Empire and did the things Top Dog Empires, no matter what culture, time and place they belong to, always do to their foreign Subjects.
If, say, the Tlaxcaltecs or the Mixtecs had been the top dogs when the Spanish arrived, the Aztecs would have allied with the Spanish against them just the same as those People sided with the Spanish in OTL.
Mind you, the point that a potential Aztec 'resurgence' would not have many friends still stands, but let's not pretend that they were some unique evil of the time and place they lived in. They weren't.
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Yes the Mayans did that too but the Aztecs sacificed waaaaaay more then any other nation in the region. And repeatedly demanded tribute in the form of humans to sacifice. Please do not white wash them.
I'm not white-washing them at all. Like all other Empire's in history, they were bad for a LOT of people living under their Rule. I'm just cautioning against regarding them as some kind of unique evil.
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What is our wealth? And the other stats of Italy? You don't seem to have posted them anywhere in thread.
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Because this a nation that didn't exsist in OTL. Could you explain how the legslative (election,term limits,voting), excutive (powers of the king V. Prime Minister V. Pope?) and judiciary (do we have a supreme court much less a codified national law or does every region have its own laws?) works?
I'm here to discuss the quest not meso-american history with you.
Hey, YOU'RE the one who accused me of white washing. I just clarified what I meant.
Alright.
What is the stance on mercenaries in The Prince book? Considering IRL it almost certainly was influenced by the writer's bad history of mercs, leaving it as something most didn't really look into or take seriously until they decided the mercs had to go and decided to use the book to support the cause. I mean, it being a bit more nuanced would probably a good thing, both in the quest world, and helping our MC and his heirs if the monarchy system is still in place that long.
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Maybe but he would still prize a profesional army and maybe paint mercs as a last resort or good as auxiliaries. Because before unification mercs were notorious for switching sides for more cash.
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I took it off to surprise you all next update.
Mostly because, lots of 10's...
Currently, while the nation did start with two legislative bodies, both subsumed into the Senate by way of simple numbers, the main legislative body that runs and legislates the Italian nation is now the Senate.
The First Minister is elected by their peers to form a government and is widely considered a first among equals, and can be removed only after an election, The King removing him from power, Or when 2/3rds of the Senate vote him out in a vote of no confidence.
A Senator serves a term of 5 years and can be reelected twice, to serve a maximum of 15 years. To prevent members from serving for a lifetime. There can be exceptions to the rule, but only the King may grant them, and only for a damn good reason.
As for who elects the Senators... that depends on the Region.
Because some senators are popularly elected in Milan, Sicily and Rome.
Venice has candidates that are elected, but then selected by the Doge. When one isn't selected, there is another election. If a senator is elected again... as in the same candidate, the Doge must accept the will of the people.
Naples, Greece and Rhodes were all appointed by the ruling feudal lord... who were selected among the population by education and popular support. Most were only elected by university or city governments only.
Or in Rhode's case, whoever the Grandmaster can send to get him more money.
To put it mildly... Italy has some of the most robust and democratic institutions...in all of Europe... some places...
In other places, they are just men the lords appoint.
The Big power they have is
the power to tax.
The Power to create laws
They are still figuring out how and what their other powers are.
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The King has several powers, but the three most important powers are:
Declaring War (He does not need the Senate's approval, though they do request to be informed)
Leading Armies (Self-explanatory.)
Commissioned ships and gave letters of Marque (All Navy ships are technically under his command, as for pirates... well that's self explanatory)
Conducting Diplomacy and signing treaties (Luciano is considered the Chief diplomat in other words, and his seal is the only thing that makes a treaty nice and legal)
Luciano has other powers, but those are the big ones.
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The First Minister controls the purse strings... though only at the national level. Luciano gains quite an incredible fortune in private income, not only from his new lands, but also from various industries he created... and has a stake in.
The First Minister Can:
Create a budget
Use money
Alot of other minor stuff.
Along with being the whipping boy for everything the Senate does.
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There is no supreme court and all laws are regional at the moment. There is a court, but they have very ill-defined powers.
There is a basic structure of all laws and crimes that are illegal within the Italian State.
However, there is one thing that I will say.
they are the only ones who can prosecute crimes committed by the King, and the King is subject to all laws in Italy... to a point.
Yes Luciano is not the all-powerful monarch that can get away with anything. That is by design.
Meaning that Luciano can indeed be tried for say... Murder, but unless the court rules that he must abdicate, and serve a sentence that they deem fit... he can, technically get away with it unless he has an heir that is mentally competent.
I will say nothing more, because I have actions dedicated to all... government stuff later.
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