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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Can we at least make clear to Harwood that we plan on making room for them in Essos? It would put most of the issues with the Watch (who are rightly terrified of wildlings south of the wall, that is, in the gift who could easily butcher them) and the North at rest.
 
@Paradosi

!! "will be no more wildlings here to serve as their puppets" Damm, do those words alarm me; that task may well be beyond us. Can it be reworded to a similar spirit, but not as absolute, lest we get called out for missing one asshole during the exodus?

[X] Azel
 
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Stealing the vote from @Paradosi to add something.

[X] Swear the oath
-[X] "I cannot order the watchers on the Wall to open their gates to what they think their enemies, but if earnest words won't do, then I will simply have to find other ways to accomplish this task. Yet, accomplish it I will, for by the time the Long Night comes, there will be no Free Folk here to serve as their puppets, only warriors to throw them back."
-[X] "Now, take me to a Heart Tree. The fell blood of a beast of frost and darkness shall be a fitting way to forge such an oath."
-[X] If either of your guides balks at the notion: Point to the dead beasts. "This is what we will face when the Long Night comes again. They will not care about the color of our cloaks or to which lord we do or do not kneel. To them we are just bodies to be added to their horde. Would you truly wish to spend your strength on each other in the face of such an enemy? Would you rather want to join them in their march than let go of old grudges, no matter how well deserved they might be?"
-[X] Take one of the bodies for dissection and Gentle Repose it before stuffing it into the bag. Burn the rest, unless the bear wants to feast on them.
 
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[X] Azel

By the way, @TotallyNotEvil:
TotallyNotEvil said:
That's bullshit @Duesal . He wasn't murdered in one round because there was no room to charge, and Ser Richard knows we like prisoners and found it more expedient to simply disarm him than batter him down, as he, unlike most of everything we fight, can be disarmed.

Surviving one or two rounds is not "fighting Ser Richard to a standstill". It is "not being murdered in the first three seconds because Ser Richard felt like it."
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Straight from Ser Richard's POV:
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"Alas, we will have to decline your offer of a noose..." the wizard began, but Richard never caught the rest of his prattle for the sellsword had already attacked. Richard tried to end it quickly by tearing the sword from his hand, but the man was uncommonly skilled and saw his feint for what it was, taking the merest scratch from Oathkeeper before riposting with a blow that would have cost Richard his head had it not been for the fine dragonsteel armor he wore.
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Ser Richard is damn good, and Ser Richard ultimately won, but DP has clearly put Bronn on Ser Richard's level or higher.
 
Diomedon said:
The issue is it's the diplomatic equivalent of pissing in the drinking cups of both the Watch and the North at a time when we're trying to strengthen them and not have them waste strength fighting us in the civil war. The North will raise it's banners to meet the wildlings and kill them, and forever name us as enemy for letting barbarians through the wall to rape and kill and raid their families and their homes.

The result will be a weakened watch, a weakened north, dead wildlings who will flee the might of the north back across the wall to then die to the others, and firmly planting the North as our enemy.

All for the small gain of some werebears not eating people.
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We're going to have to explain it to them in small words. "The enemy, which by the way is the enemy the Wall was built to stop, the very reason for the existence of the watch, uses the bodies of the dead as weapons. Therefore, we deprive it of bodies. I-We have several other problems going on, as you may have noticed, the Deep Ones and the Underdark and the Hells. Those people are rowdy and there's grudges here, but they aren't demons or demon worshipers so not only will you take them in, you'll like them."
 
@Azel, if we're leaving, can you grab the most in-tact Peryton and use the Conch on it before stuffing it in the Bag of Holding? It's a medium creature so it should fit just fine.

Also, we should probably take measures to make sure it doesn't rise as an undead Peryton. What spells does Dany have that could prevent that?
 
How about this.

[X] Swear the oath
-[X] "When the Long Night comes again, and the living gather before The Wall. When Night's Watch blows the horn thrice, then I shall."
-[X] "Now, take me to a Heart Tree. The fell blood of a beast of frost and darkness shall be a fitting way to forge such an oath."
 
Duesal said:
@Azel, if we're leaving, can you grab the most in-tact Peryton and use the Conch on it before stuffing it in the Bag of Holding? It's a medium creature so it should fit just fine.

Also, we should probably take measures to make sure it doesn't rise as an undead Peryton. What spells does Dany have that could prevent that?
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Fireball.
 
BeepSmile said:
!! "will be no more wildlings here to serve as their puppets" Damm, do those words alarm me; that task may well be beyond us. Can it be reworded to a similar spirit, but not as absolute, lest we get called out for missing one asshole during the exodus?
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I doubt oaths are that absolute. Besides, what few folks left will likely be batshit crazy cannibals, and that's only if we hadn't burninated them by that point.

It'd be ironic for murderous cannibals to get nom'd, right?

Azel said:
Stealing the vote from @Paradosi to add something.
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Works for me.

[X] Azel

Although, this part made me 'huh' a bit.

Azel said:
Would you rather want to join them in their march then let go of old grudges, no matter how well deserved they might be?"
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@Azel

Make the army of the dead threat more explicit? Your argument fails to make explicit the connection between these monsters, who are clearly not undead monstrosities, and the method by which they add people to their horde (they kill them and use their corpse).
 
Azel said:
Merely acknowledging that millenia of war means that both the crows and the Free Folk have a few good reasons to hate each other.

@Duesal, added to take one body for Vee and burning the rest unless the bear wants a snack.
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My concern is the Peryton turning undead while still in the Bag of Holding (and with all our magic items). All we really need is something that prevents any Other necromancy from doing its work long enough for us to get back to Vee so she can stuff it. As far as I can see, Gentle Repose does nothing to stop that. Hallow, for example, prevents any and all corpses within its effects from rising as undead. @Goldfish, do you know any spells with a similar effect that we could use here?

By the way, @Azel, at least let Harwood cut off one of the heads of the other corpses so he can take it back to Eastwatch for a good story. If it rises from the dead he can burn it just fine, not like a head can do much.
 
[X] Swear the oath
-[X] "I cannot order the watchers on the Wall to open their gates to what they think their enemies, but if earnest words won't do, then I will simply have to find other ways to accomplish this task. Yet, accomplish it I will, for by the time the Long Night comes, there will be no Free Folk here to serve as their puppets, only warriors to throw them back."
-[X] "Now, take me to a Heart Tree. The fell blood of a beast of frost and darkness shall be a fitting way to forge such an oath."
-[X] If either of your guides balks at the notion: Point to the dead beasts. "This is what we will face when the Long Night comes again. They will not care about the color of our cloaks or to which lord we do or do not kneel. To them we are just bodies to be added to their horde. Would you truly wish to spend your strength on each other in the face of such an enemy? Would you rather want to join them in their march than let go of old grudges, no matter how well deserved they might be?"
-[X] Take one of the bodies for dissection and Gentle Repose it before stuffing it into the bag. Burn the rest, unless the bear wants to feast on them.
 
Guys, chill. We will have plenty of options by then. Like being obeyed because we are the fucking Dragon Emperor.

Or immediately evacuate the wildlings by boat after they cross over, without a fucking army of the dead on their backs a la Hardholme making it all worthless.

Just agree with the powerful spirit and the small stuff will handle itself.

Goldfish said:
-[X] "We shall seek out the nearest Heart Tree dedicated to the Old Gods of Stream, Forest, and Stone. The Winterborn's death will be used to seal a binding oath which you will swear, preventing you from ever again preying upon mankind, except in those instances where they attack you or others under your protection without provocation. Those you gift with power will swear the same oath, lest they run afoul of me and mine. Agree to these terms or know that you need not fear imprisonment ever again, as we will destroy you here and now."
-[X] If the Bear-man does not accept;
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If you want to fight just say so.
Diomedon said:
No, no, no, we're shooting ourselves in the foot with our diplomatic efforts with the North. We can take the wildlings away by ship, but putting them south of the wall is a minor war in the making, with us on the side of savages (or viewed at fault at least).

Edit: We're pissing away all the goodwill we've built up with the North for what?!
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Diomedon said:
Just because that's how Jon handled it, doesn't mean it's how we should handle it. We're in a very different position, because we are not the Lord Commander. Additionally, it was such a hated decision that Jon got stabbed. Repeatedly. In his own castle. Not a good diplomatic move when we're trying to keep the North out of the civil war (and thus strong and unified to turn it's power North when needed). An unbled north is more important than wildlings manning the wall.
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Except that which he is asking is many years off, at which point we will be King and Wightopocalypse will be imminent.
Paradosi said:
What's the issue? We weren't actually gonna leave the wildlings to serve as manpower for the Others, were we?
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This.
Diomedon said:
Can we at least make clear to Harwood that we plan on making room for them in Essos? It would put most of the issues with the Watch (who are rightly terrified of wildlings south of the wall, that is, in the gift who could easily butcher them) and the North at rest.
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Sure, after we are done diplomancing the ancient spirit perhaps?
Duesal said:
Ser Richard is damn good, and Ser Richard ultimately won, but DP has clearly put Bronn on Ser Richard's level or higher
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No @Duesal , that's just narrative-speak for "he didn't overcome AC, thank you magical armour". He physically can't one-shot a 100 HP creature.
 
DragonParadox said:
thus any deferral will sound like dishonesty and no standing by your word.
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@Azel @Abhishek M @tenchifew @das_slash @BeepSmile @Duesal @Paradosi @Diomedon @Crake @Takesis

We don't need to explain how or why we will do it. Just say we will.

[X] Swear the oath

Don't sweat the small stuff, the bear will not like it, and it's not necessary. He doesn't care about the how, as far as he is concerned, we can do it. Just say yes, and it shall suffice.
 
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Goldfish said:
Swearing this oath is pants on the head stupid. We are not able to fulfill it in any meaningful way, and won't be able to for years.

Swearing any oath we might not be able to fulfill when you have the OG as patrons and allies is ill advised.

The Wildlings are also fucking awful people in general, with a culture as ridiculous and asinine as the Dothraki.

We can eventually relocate them, but that day is a long way off. Also, you can forget about friendly relations with the North and the Nightwatch.
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We already have a way out for them that don't involve the Wall, the portal to MS can be moved, we can move it to the North and evacuate them though it, sure we would have to stock a lot of food in MS, and we would need to make some extra decanters, but it could be done, and then we could bring the portal to Essos and let them out next month, and that's if our fleet hasn't grown big enough we can evacuate them by boat.

It's not like we have to do it right now, we just have to do it when the White Walkers come.
 
Goldfish said:
Swearing this oath is pants on the head stupid. We are not able to fulfill it in any meaningful way, and won't be able to for years.
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Actually, we can fulfill it for sure. Worst comes down to it, we hold open the gate ourselves. More likely than not, we just talk with the Lord Commander, he is a smart, reasonable man.

We won't need to do it for years anyway.

And nothing stops us from allowing them to cross over and then relocating them by ship on Eastwatch, on the safe side of the Wall. Otherwise you get Hardholme, the entire debacle where hundreds of thousands of wildlings tried to flee but it was too late and the Others got a massive influx of fresh corpses thrown their way.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Actually, we can fulfill it for sure. Worst comes down to it, we hold open the gate ourselves. More likely than not, we just talk with the Lord Commander, he is a smart, reasonable man.

We won't need to do it for years anyway.

And nothing stops us from allowing them to cross over and then relocating them by ship on Eastwatch, on the safe side of the Wall. Otherwise you get Hardholme, the entire debacle where hundreds of thousands of wildlings tried to flee but it was too late and the Others got a massive influx of fresh corpses thrown their way.
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"Meaningful" includes having somewhere for hundreds of thousands of displaced refugees to live, being able to feed them, being able to govern them effectively, and being able to prevent them from turning into a human locust plague worst than the Dothraki.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
@Azel @Abhishek M @tenchifew @das_slash @BeepSmile @Duesal @Paradosi @Diomedon @Crake @Takesis

We don't need to explain how or why we will do it. Just say we will.

[X] Swear the oath

Don't sweat the small stuff, the bear will not like it, and it's not necessary. He doesn't care about the how, as far as he is concerned, we can do it. Just say yes, and it shall suffice.
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Azel's vote isn't a deferral at all. It's swearing the oath, noting where it might be hard, but ultimately swearing to fulfill our end of the bargain anyway. None of that is trying to shirk on the terms or twist them in any way.
 
Duesal said:
Azel's vote isn't a deferral at all. It's swearing the oath, noting where it might be hard, but ultimately swearing to fulfill our end of the bargain anyway. None of that is trying to shirk on the terms or twist them in any way.
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For a bear-spirit? Why risk it?

It's flat out not interest in hearing the how. As far as it cares, we can hold open a gate by ourselves, so if we say we will, it is done.

So yes, already justifying future problems sounds sketchy.
 
Goldfish said:
"Meaningful" includes having somewhere for hundreds of thousands of displaced refugees to live, being able to feed them, being able to govern them effectively, and being able to prevent them from turning into a human locust plague worst than the Dothraki.
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The Gift? It's huge, and open.

And, again, unless the Long Night is next month, all of that is perfectly doable.
 
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