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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Diomedon said:
No, no, no, we're shooting ourselves in the foot with our diplomatic efforts with the North. We can take the wildlings away by ship, but putting them south of the wall is a minor war in the making, with us on the side of savages (or viewed at fault at least).

Edit: We're pissing away all the goodwill we've built up with the North for what?!
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We need the wildlings to man the wall, the watch doesnt have the numbers and everyone left north of if its just another enemy waiting, this really is the only choice long term.
 
[X] Counter-offer
-[X] "We shall seek out the nearest Heart Tree dedicated to the Old Gods of Stream, Forest, and Stone. The Winterborn's death will be used to seal a binding oath which you will swear, preventing you from ever again preying upon mankind, except in those instances where they attack you or others under your protection without provocation. Those you gift with power will swear the same oath, lest they run afoul of me and mine. Agree to these terms or know that you need not fear imprisonment ever again, as we will destroy you here and now."
-[X] If the Bear-man does not accept;
--[X] Viserys casts Assay Spell Resistance, then targets it with Necrotic Bomb, being careful to avoid catching Richard in the blast. If Richard has already closed to melee with it, use Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts rather than Necrotic Bomb. If the Bear-man still lives, Viserys then casts Celerity and targets it with Searing Agonizing Elemental Fire Darts. Viserys will use his Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks when he first launches a volley of Fire Darts at the Bear-man.
--[X] Dany targets the Bear-man with a Reached Harm spell. She will use her Moment of Greatness buff to double the +2 Morale bonus to Ranged Attacks if she uses Reached Harm against the Bear-man.
--[X] Richard attacks using Pounce and Shock Trooper, Power Attacking as he sees fit.
--[X] Elle will fire arrows at the Bear-man and Harwood will attempt to protect her should it targether.

Let the battle begin. Wildlings are not fucking worth shit.

The North hates the wildlings.
 
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[X] Azel

We have enough foes already.
This one could be a tentative ally, or at least a foe of our foe.

And the offer seems fair to me.
 
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BeepSmile said:
So, I'm for that oath, but letting wildlings down past the wall is not something we can really offer at this time?
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Allow me to put the problem in bear-spirit terms: from what he has seen you could hold a gate in the Wall single-handedly against all comers so as far as he is concerned you can do it and will be able to do it when the time comes, thus any deferral will sound like dishonesty and no standing by your word.
 
Hey we just promise to take them south. We didn't specify it had to be Westros. Honestly were gonna clear some of the undead in the former Dothraki Plains anyway. Why not dump new savages into the place after clearing out a few spots? These ones might actually be nicer.

Hell it might actually be good practice for them to sharpen their skills on lesser undead before moving on to the Winter Big leagues?
 
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[X] Write in counter offer
-[X] I would swear to take away by ship any freefolk willing to kneel in exchange for a better life on warmer shores, but I cannot swear to open the wall. It is not my mine to command, and thus not something I will swear. I will not weaken the shield against the others right before the coming of winter.

das_slash said:
We need the wildlings to man the wall, the watch doesnt have the numbers and everyone left north of if its just another enemy waiting, this really is the only choice long term.
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Just because that's how Jon handled it, doesn't mean it's how we should handle it. We're in a very different position, because we are not the Lord Commander. Additionally, it was such a hated decision that Jon got stabbed. Repeatedly. In his own castle. Not a good diplomatic move when we're trying to keep the North out of the civil war (and thus strong and unified to turn it's power North when needed). An unbled north is more important than wildlings manning the wall.
 
What's the issue? We weren't actually gonna leave the wildlings to serve as manpower for the Others, were we?

[X] Azel
 
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We've always known, ultimately, that we could not just let the wildlings escape south through the Wall. They would be a blight on the North kept whole.

Made scattered and diluted in controlled fashion, they are irrelevant at worst and maybe useful at best, rather than a political nightmare at best and actively fucking over our efforts at keeping them alive at worst.
 
Diomedon said:
[X] Write in counter offer
-[X] I would swear to take away by ship any freefolk willing to kneel in exchange for a better life on warmer shores, but I cannot swear to open the wall. It is not my mine to command, and thus not something I will swear. I will not weaken the shield against the others right before the coming of winter.



Just because that's how Jon handled it, doesn't mean it's how we should handle it. We're in a very different position, because we are not the Lord Commander. Additionally, it was such a hated decision that Jon got stabbed. Repeatedly. In his own castle. Not a good diplomatic move when we're trying to keep the North out of the civil war (and thus strong and unified to turn it's power North when needed). An unbled north is more important than wildlings manning the wall.
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But Jon was hated from the start, and the brothers had good reasons to be suspicious, he Also lacked our diplo bonus, we can do better.
Oh Also ty for reminding me to kill olly on sight, damn, children really fuck everything Up in this place.
 
Paradosi said:
What's the issue? We weren't actually gonna leave the wildlings to serve as manpower for the Others, were we?
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The issue is it's the diplomatic equivalent of pissing in the drinking cups of both the Watch and the North at a time when we're trying to strengthen them and not have them waste strength fighting us in the civil war. The North will raise it's banners to meet the wildlings and kill them, and forever name us as enemy for letting barbarians through the wall to rape and kill and raid their families and their homes.

The result will be a weakened watch, a weakened north, dead wildlings who will flee the might of the north back across the wall to then die to the others, and firmly planting the North as our enemy.

All for the small gain of some werebears not eating people.
 
Diomedon said:
I will not weaken the shield against the others right before the coming of winter.
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Fairly confident that letting the wildlings through will not weaken the wall's magics. Unless you mean the resulting civil war. That would weaken the wall.

How about something like "It is not yet mine to command, and thus I can not swear at this time (allow some honest frustration at current state of affairs to show) to allow the wall to be opened.

@Diomedon Maybe outright state to the bear that generations of violence between the North/The Watch and the Free-folk mean that to simply open the wall will result in the stupidly pointless deaths that we were worried about.
 
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DragonParadox said:
So are you saying he is only allowed to eat people who attack him for no reason or that he is no longer allowed to fight anyone without being attacked first? Because even the most peaceful wildling would sooner die than take the latter terms.
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Wording clarified slightly. It was not intended to make him an toothless pacifist, but to prevent him from deliberately eating anyone it deemed "weak".

If someone wants to attack him without being strong enough to finish the task, I don't mind if they end us as bear shit.
 
All in all armies or zombies won't matter much. Not when we are a bunch of high-level casters by the time Winter comes.

If that bear thinks he can help us get to the heart of the problem and solve it adventurer-style, that's more than worth alienating the north.

One question that matters: Will this guy give us anything Bloodraven couldn't in terms of information on the leading Others or not?
 
Actually, why not this?

[X] Swear the oath
-[X] "I cannot order the watchers on the Wall to open their gates to what they think their enemies, but if earnest words won't do, then I will simply have to find other ways to accomplish this task. Yet, accomplish it I will, for by the time the Long Night comes, there will be no more wildlings here to serve as their puppets."
-[X] "Now, take me to a Heart Tree. The fell blood of a beast of frost and darkness shall be a fitting way to forge such an oath."
 
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Swearing this oath is pants on the head stupid. We are not able to fulfill it in any meaningful way, and won't be able to for years.

Swearing any oath we might not be able to fulfill when you have the OG as patrons and allies is ill advised.

The Wildlings are also fucking awful people in general, with a culture as ridiculous and asinine as the Dothraki.

We can eventually relocate them, but that day is a long way off. Also, you can forget about friendly relations with the North and the Nightwatch.
 
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@Diomedon, he wants us to do this "when the time comes" and not "right now".

When the time comes, there is a huge army of undead walking right behind the Free Folk and if the Watch still refuses to let them in at that point, I'm perfectly fine with drastic measures. He is asking us to do the same thing Jon Snow managed with a far less silver tongue in a few years. The response at that point will not be "civil war!", but "Yes my lord!".

Edit: And Wildlings and kneeling don't mix well. That will require far more diplomancy.
 
Goldfish said:
Swearing this oath is pants on the head stupid. We are not able to fulfill it in any meaningful way, and won't be able to for years.

The Wildlings are also fucking awful people in general, with a culture as ridiculous and asinine as the Dothraki.

We can eventually relocate them, but that day is a long way off. Also, you can forget about friendly relations with the North and the Nightwatch.
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Keep in mind that he does not want you to act now.
 
Goldfish said:
We can eventually relocate them, but that day is a long way off. Also, you can forget about friendly relations with the North and the Nightwatch.
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The oath is to get them gone before the Long Night comes, which is... rather doable? It's still years to go before the "longest summer in living memory" ends.

Also, why in the world would the North or the Night's Watch mind if we made the wildlings a problem no more?
 
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Just keep in mind, eventually, we will have to evacuate the wildlings. That does not mean we have to let them run roughshod over the North. We hold more leverage than they do on just what happens going forward from there.
 
That guy reminds me of Okku from NWN2.
Can we kill him and fill his skin with a thousand tortured souls to create a better minion?
That's my usual solution in the game.
 
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