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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Is there any spell that can fake death? Another idea is to set up an exchange program with the Nights Watch that allows some of our mages from Sorcerer's Deep to give them some experience and hopefully gain a level or two. And, to allow us train and equip certain black brothers to properly fight off monsters. Maybe we can even send Mercy to give her experience supporting groups.
 
[X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
 
[X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."

One addition, that may work is using either geas/quest or mark of Justice to reinforce the oath that he makes or ask the old gods to perform those spells upon him.
 
The Old Gods are supposed to be the intermediary here, so I assume they'll apply a spell that would be useful in enforcing the oath, yes.

Edit: Note, I assume this only because we've dealt with sacrificing to Gods before and asking for specific things doesn't really seem to work, but they note your intentions and present needs better than most.
 
nixter said:
One addition, that may work is using either geas/quest or mark of Justice to reinforce the oath that he makes or ask the old gods to perform those spells upon him.
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Eh he's not evil, just savage and from a specie that don't see canibalism as inherently wrong, I don't think we need more than his word.

Female bears drive the males away after mating, because otherwise the male might devour the children, so from the perspective of a bear there's nothing wrong with canibalism, and he has additional reason in the fact that eating them deny the White Walkers bodies to raise as undead, from his perspective what he did was right, it's about convincing him to change perspective here, not about preventing an evil being from finding loopholes in a bargain it chafes under.
 
It doesn't necessarily have to be a geass or mark of justice, really. Pissing off the Gods by betraying an oath made in their presence isn't something anyone does lightly.

Also, can I just say how refreshing it is to be able to tough talk and it actually come across in a positive light?

I do find it amusing how people in the far north respect stark and naked strength, both of character and also demonstrative. And south of it, they respect strength, but they constantly chaff beneath it and rankle in the face of it, wanting to shrug it off or else, rarely, directly benefit from it. And they almost never react well to it being leveraged against them.
 
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This is for the benefit of the ranger and the Free Folk lady with us, not the deranged bear.

[X] Plan Thanks, But No
-[X] "So this is who you see yourself as? A champion? A leader? One who strengthens the realm of man against the night? It is only terror and madness you have brought."
-[X] "What do you think your actions will achieve? There will be 10 more men of strength to fight the Others. Let it be a 100 even. And they alone will turn away the tide of endless cold and darkness?"
-[X] "Or will they just listen to cold and hateful whispers on the wind? What do the realms of man matter, when you can gain power by joining those who seek to undo them?"
-[X] "You are just another beast preying on mankind, thinking himself superior just because he has the strength to do as he pleases with others. I've seen your kind far too often already and the tainted palaces they build themselves."
-[X] "No peace I will broker with one who would devour his kin and preach self-righteously about the rightness of the deed."
-[X] Battle as Goldfish suggests

@Goldfish, heads up.
 
[X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
 
@Crake, why do you want to play nice with an unapologetic man-eater?

This guy has no point. Imagine how SD would look if we regularly "culled the weak". Even if nobody would riot over it, it would be a run-down shell with a thousand people in it.
 
[X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
-[X] If accepted, upon approaching the Weirwood, your rejoinder or introduction to the matter would be thus: "I do approach in search of mediation. This spawn of winter we do offer, to see that mankind and its allies do not squander their strength sowing hatred, and fear and madness. Bind this other soul before you, who wears the skin of Man in like shape of Bear. If his condition can not be gentled, then shackled to baser instincts no further: man shall not be his prey ere the day comes that the march of the Others begins."

@Azel: I agree with you about his stupidity. He can't hunt man anymore after this, it would squander what strength we hope to build in the north before the Others begin warring against us. But strong champions are rare and we can't be everywhere. If he makes an agreement not to hunt men anymore, whatever he does hunt can only improve the situation regionally.
 
On the one hand, I understand the things perspective and it's reasoning is sound. It is doing what is within it's abilities to deny the Others fighting bodies, and from it's perspective it's trying to help humans.
On the other hand, it's perspective is limited by it's outlook, and what is within it's abilities happens to be woefully inadequate to the task. So instead of doing reprehensible but necessary things, he's just a violent asshole who eats people.

[X] Azel
 
Azel said:
I see a startling correlation between you saying something like this and me arguing on the more moral side.
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This is not entirely a moral question in the pure good vs evil sense. there is also a strong element of law vs chaos, civilization versus the wild. The Great Bear spirit is supposed to embody the 'wildling' ethos in its purest form, where the crab men show how it can soften around the edges and adapt to circumstances like semi-common trade and (comparatively) rich fishing.
 
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@Azel If it wants to test us in battle, it is free to reject our offer, made blatant.

How about this? Explain our perspective to him. Why he is weakening everyone against the Others rather than strengthening them. Why we want him to swear as we do. If he is "Chaos cannot comprehend Law!" as we think, then he dies, dust to the wind, unsung and unremembered. If he's more flexible than that? We got another ally against the Night.
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  • [X] Plan Thanks, But No
    -[X] "So this is who you see yourself as? A champion? A leader? One who strengthens the realm of man against the night? It is only terror and madness you have brought."
    -[X] "What do you think your actions will achieve? There will be 10 more men of strength to fight the Others. Let it be a 100 even. And they alone will turn away the tide of endless cold and darkness?"
    -[X] "Or will they just listen to cold and hateful whispers on the wind? What do the realms of man matter, when you can gain power by joining those who seek to undo them?"
    -[X] "You are just another beast preying on mankind, thinking himself superior just because he has the strength to do as he pleases with others. I've seen your kind far too often already and the tainted palaces they build themselves."
    -[X] "No peace I will broker with one who would devour his kin and preach self-righteously about the rightness of the deed."
    -[X] Battle as Goldfish suggests
    [X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
    [X] "For the sorrow of men to come who you feel need not fit under my aegis? Constantly wondering where the shadow of my wings does begin and end? I offer this: Come with me upon the nearest Heart Tree to offer the horror to the Old Gods of Stream and Forest and Stone. Whatever oath you make will be heeded then, for they will be in witness to it. I have no need for hollow platitudes when ye are faced with certain annihilation, honored only in the breach when the arbiter of this matter finally flies off. As whatever else you are, man or monster, spirit or beast, I do not trust you, but I trust them."
    -[X] If accepted, upon approaching the Weirwood, your rejoinder or introduction to the matter would be thus: "I do approach in search of mediation. This spawn of winter we do offer, to see that mankind and its allies do not squander their strength sowing hatred, and fear and madness. Bind this other soul before you, who wears the skin of Man in like shape of Bear. If his condition can not be gentled, then shackled to baser instincts no further: man shall not be his prey ere the day comes that the march of the Others begins."
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Crake said:
I agree with you about his stupidity. He can't hunt man anymore after this, it would squander what strength we hope to build in the north before the Others begin warring against us. But strong champions are rare and we can't be everywhere. If he makes an agreement not to hunt men anymore, whatever he does hunt can only improve the situation regionally.
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The question is would he be willing to swear on the no humans diet?

As far as the bear is concerned weak is synonymous with cheeseburger, nothing more nothing less.

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that sounds more reasonable, but I doubt the bear will see reason. The sentiment only makes sense to men, not bears.
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Like Azel says, this requires that the bear spirit is more forward-thinking than, 'it won't survive the winter might as well eat it now for myself.'

Honestly, this thing is the worst kind of strategy player, everyone he kills and eats might have had something or known something or grown into someone that could have helped him in his fight.

He's fucking with his own argument when he goes on about 'culling the weak'. What is weak? How can you define it?

If a man is old and can no longer fight, does that not mean he has wisdom to share? Hell even having his opinion on a matter could be useful because who knows what he's seen or read or was told as a child beside himself?

What about the child too young to fight? Will they not grow into warriors if time permits? And what if the north is too dangerous for them to stay? Send them south, to the wall, let them be raised and trained there to fight against the winter that walks.

You don't throw away resources, you find where they are most useful and then use them there or in that way.

Everything has a use, and yes I'm including Aurane in that statement, even if his only use is a yardstick to measure sheer unadulterated stupidity.
 
DragonParadox said:
This is not entirely a moral question in the pure good vs evil sense. there is also a strong element of law vs chaos, civilization versus the wild.The Great bear spirit is supposed to embody the 'wildling' ethos in its purest form, where the crab men show how it can soften around the edges and adapt to circumstances like semi-common trade and (comparatively) rich fishing.
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If we want to talk in Alignments, I'm seeing his deeds mostly as CN. Reprehensible, but necessary on the Good - Evil axis, but he asks the question through a Chaotic Stupid lense that is incapable of seeing anything beyond the individual, so his answer is ultimately useless.

He would have a bit of a point if it was one wildling tribe against the other, with long term survival only determined by the strongest warriors, but we are talking about endless hordes of undead, fey and monsters bent on cleansing the world of all life.

He is weakening them through his inability to comprehend the scope of the treat and the consequences of his actions.
 
Aurane is of immense intrinsic value. Where would we get such verbage as Auraning up something? Or nouns like "That man is such an Aurane."

Or my favorite, "That's so Aurane".
 
I love how Aurane didn't have any screen time for so long except for a short mention of him doing something right and people still spontaneously rage about his stupidity.

Though the best one was @Artemis1992 with "Jonny Aurane", bringing the Moron-Meme full circle.
 
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