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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Raichu1972 said:
That's actually something I've been wondering for awhile.

Why do people want to grab the other Free Cites before Volantis?
Is it just a matter of geographic location?

I would feel as though Volantis would be the easiest to administer, and a pretty good chunk of Essos worships R'hilor, so it's not as though dealing with them is a Volantis exclusive thing.
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It's the biggest, it's much further east than the Three Daughters, Braavos and Pentos, it has compent magical defenders and it's the place where Burny's priests are not just strong, but almost equal to the local ruler.
Azel said:
Admittedly, when you want to kill the patron goddess of a city in their parliament, poking the facility spewing out war monsters for deranged cultists isn't much different.

If people could just stop making more opportunities for us and poking everyone...
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Ftfy.

Also, absorb the echo of a dead goddess, not kill a living one. Big difference.
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, when Oberyn buys stuff from us, can we assume that he's going to be prudent and buy essential adventurer's equipment?
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You can assume he already has it.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 10, 2018 at 2:42 PM, finished with 137795 posts and 4 votes.
  • [X] Haggle. Start at 100% profit rate, and allow Oberyn to bargain us down to 50% if he presses, but only so long as his total order does not require more than ten days of crafting. 100% profit on anything that exceeds ten days.
    -[X] No Adamant
    [X] Haggle. Start at 100% profit rate, and allow Oberyn to bargain us down to 50% if he presses, but only so long as his total order does not require more than ten days of crafting. 100% profit on anything that exceeds ten days. No Mithral or Adamantine armor or weapons.
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Azel said:
Admittedly, when you want to kill the patron goddess of a city in their parliament, poking the facility spewing out war monsters for deranged cultists isn't much different.

If people could just stop making more problems for us and poking everyone...
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Aren't you one of the main people wanting to conquer Tyrosh with a legion of doom?

Conquering a Free City seems like a rather large poke to me.

Any action we do will have consequences, and unless you just want to chill in the Stepstones forever we are going to have to conquer someone.

I personally have no problems simply being content with Westeros and the Stepstones and leaving the rest of Essos alone, but people really want to conquer and thus, poke people and make us more enemies.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Aren't you one of the main people wanting to conquer Tyrosh with a legion of doom?

Conquering a Free City seems like a rather large poke to me.

Any action we do will have consequences, and unless you just want to chill in the Stepstones forever we are going to have to conquer someone.

I personally have no problems simply being content with Westeros and the Stepstones and leaving the rest of Essos alone, but people really want to conquer and thus, poke people and make us more enemies.
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@Raichu1972, you're ignoring the fact that Tyrosh is filled to the brim with fiendish cultists and their ilk. They're right at our doorstep. We kind of have to conquer them just to make sure they don't do something catastrophically stupid and wipe the city off the map.

Also, there's a big difference between "poking" in the sense of taking one of the Three Daughters, and "poking" as in trying to steal the divine essence of Meraxes right out of her temple in Volantis. The former will make Zherys keep a closer eye on us. The latter immediately starts a war, no questions about it.
 
Duesal said:
This just goes to show how counter your ambitions run to the rest of the thread. Most of us want world conquest, and Volantis is definitely on the list for that. I aim to collect every single Free City.
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Sorry, don't know what's up with me today in this thread.
It started with the worst assumptions about Arcanums being almost true and then went on to opposing people who could be interesting allies and to spending time on conquest and administration instead of fun things like looting dead deities.

I'm just going for today.
 
Artemis1992 said:
We forced the issue with our constant plans to kill him and take over his city, which should have shown up on his divinations.
Now we have a long-lasting ceasefire that might get back to true peace.

If people could just check their conquest-boner and live and let live for some years. We have no reason to conquer Volantis besides its existance.
No heritage besides the generally Valyrian, it doesn't need our protection, it's not close to our lands or to Westeros.


That's nice, but not relevant to our reasons to visit?
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The reason Zherys is so dangerous is because he's playing the same game as us, world conquest (well, essosi conquest at least, which is enough to put us at odds). Just as we'd laugh in the man's face if he offered us the rulership over a Free City woth him as sovereign, he wont accept our domination of Essos with him under pur thumb. If you think his ambitions end at the Rhoyne, then tou're severely mistaken.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Aren't you one of the main people wanting to conquer Tyrosh with a legion of doom?

Conquering a Free City seems like a rather large poke to me.

Any action we do will have consequences, and unless you just want to chill in the Stepstones forever we are going to have to conquer someone.

I personally have no problems simply being content with Westeros and the Stepstones and leaving the rest of Essos alone, but people really want to conquer and thus, poke people and make us more enemies.
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It's not just we want to conquer. It's that our geopolitical situation naturally places us as the enemies of the three daughters, and the most stable and long lasting peace to get out of the situation is to conquer them and make them one polity. It's either premptively conquer them, or hear how they started burning all our settlements while we were busy in Westeros.

That's not even factoring in how close Tyorsh apparently is to falling to an apocalypse cult.
 
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Its less about just conquering the east. Before we can truly begin our conquest of Westeros, we'll need a large army, bigger infrastructure, loads of stuff. Not to mention we need to take control of the various Valyrian relics that have been left behind.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Sorry, don't know what's up with me today in this thread.
It started with the worst assumptions about Arcanums being almost true and then went on to opposing people who could be interesting allies and to spending time on conquest and administration instead of fun things like looting dead deities.

I'm just going for today.
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My problem is that you are proposing to poke two cities that are currently not our problem. Qohor and Volantis can happily maul each other to death without our involvement.

I just would love to do something else then running through random places, killing random thingies for random, ungrateful bastards and getting random stuff in return. Most likely with an option for the next random place to go to.

We've been sitting on the Illyrio quest for two bloody years. I'm tired as hell of tabling actual ASOIAF stuff that is relevant to us to in favor of the next pointless shiny.
 
Can we just make a special effort to sell that Mithral armor to Oberyn?

Added protection that he'll need in the Rhoynish ruins, combined with the fact that it's the best material for him. It's also a clear symbol of "your Targaryen allies can sell you cool shit, quit ignoring the fact".

We have over 200 pounds of Mithral in excess after we fully equip Tyene, Dany, and Vee in Mithral fullplate.
 
Duesal said:
Can we just make a special effort to sell that Mithral armor to Oberyn?

Added protection that he'll need in the Rhoynish ruins, combined with the fact that it's the best material for him. It's also a clear symbol of "your Targaryen allies can sell you cool shit, quit ignoring the fact".

We have over 200 pounds of Mithral in excess after we fully equip Tyene, Dany, and Vee in Mithral fullplate.
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No, sorry Duesal. I'm frankly tired of Dorne (not fed up), ungrateful "allies" that they are. If he gets himself killed we can rez him and bill Doran the diamond.
 
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bigbow said:
No, sorry Duesal. I'm frankly tired of Dorne (not fed up). If he gets himself killed we can rez him and bill Doran the diamond.
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Alright, fair enough. I'm also getting pretty annoyed.

The main thing is the fact that Tyene is apparently feeding Dorne a steady stream of intel, yet we don't get anything out of that. It came as a complete and utter surprise that they deigned to inform us of Oberyn's visit and ambitions.
 
@DragonParadox, since we already voted to give Oberyn a bag of attuned obsidian sand and arcane-marked stones, do we have to do that again or is that going to be taken care of?
 
[X] Artemis1992

Why can't we work with Zherys again? And who says he wants the whole Essos? What he wants is a new Valyria... which was decreed by Dragonlords of the Forty Families... which we are by all definition of the word, now. He will be kissing our feet soon.

We don't need to get involved with their war, just get permission or poke around the Echo. Who knows, we can bring it back to life and get a counterpoint to Rhllor.
 
Takesis said:
Why can't we work with Zherys again? And who says he wants the whole Essos? What he wants is a new Valyria... which was decreed by Dragonlords of the Forty Families... which we are by all definition of the word, now. He will be kissing our feet soon.

We don't need to get involved with their war, just get permission or poke around the Echo. Who knows, we can bring it back to life and get a counterpoint to Rhllor.
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Even if by some miracle that worked out for us, we still have more important and pressing things to do.

Genius Loci sacrifice sits right at the top of all of that.
 
Duesal said:
Even if by some miracle that worked out for us, we still have more important and pressing things to do.

Genius Loci sacrifice sits right at the top of all of that.
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Yeah... actually... that's also just random stuff for random people...

We could be hiring sellswords for Tyrosh and visit Illyrio with the time spent on Bloodraven this month.
I'm just glad that Renly wasn't thrown out of the schedule too to make room for some other fetch quest.

By the way, @Diomedon, I'm greatly in favor of just forgetting about the port Moonsong conquered. If Salladhor can't live without raiding things, I'm fine with the else option. There is no way we can even remotely hold that place and we can't spare the ships.
 
Azel said:
Yeah... actually... that's also just random stuff for random people...

We could be hiring sellswords for Tyrosh and visit Illyrio with the time spent on Bloodraven this month.
I'm just glad that Renly wasn't thrown out of the schedule too to make room for some other fetch quest.

By the way, @Diomedon, I'm greatly in favor of just forgetting about the port Moonsong conquered. If Salladhor can't live without raiding things, I'm fine with the else option. There is no way we can even remotely hold that place and we can't spare the ships.
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Are you kidding me, Azel?

This is why we snapped and pushed Bloodraven to this turn--so that we could ask the Old Gods how to sacrifice this thing along with its lich slave and permanently remove them both as threats.

This is not a fetch quest, this is tying up loose ends so they don't turn around and bite us in the ass like they always seem to. The rewards for the sacrifice is quite frankly a side effect, the main goal is to just make sure these two things are dead.

EDIT: The lich tried to hold Lys hostage against us. I will fight any attempts to interfere with making our move while it's still incapacitated.
 
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Azel said:
Yeah... actually... that's also just random stuff for random people...

We could be hiring sellswords for Tyrosh and visit Illyrio with the time spent on Bloodraven this month.
I'm just glad that Renly wasn't thrown out of the schedule too to make room for some other fetch quest.

By the way, @Diomedon, I'm greatly in favor of just forgetting about the port Moonsong conquered. If Salladhor can't live without raiding things, I'm fine with the else option. There is no way we can even remotely hold that place and we can't spare the ships.
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We don't need to hold it. We just need to be able to base there. I'm half-hoping the brindlemen will hold it (they seem inclined to from the bit we saw, so arm them with some basic steel weapons and it's done).

Since we're not building from the ground up, less investment, not more. Basing rights are more than sufficient.
 
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