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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Fehu said:
Same can be said about the pit fiend chain-weapon, if we meet good guys they wont like us wielding the chain. Thus ruining our chances to diplomance good-aligned encounters. So we should sell it.
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Or, you know....

Screw this entirely Good vs. Evil alignment bullshit and go back to doing our own thing?
 
@DragonParadox We don't really have a consensus at the moment, as the results are close enough to swing either way with just a few votes. Obviously, I wouldn't mind if you called it now, because my preferred option is in the lead, but I doubt anyone would mind another interlude if you want to give us more time for debate. :)
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 21, 2017 at 3:21 PM, finished with 131194 posts and 17 votes.
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however, the armor being easily identifiable as good will solve the issue of the armor looking evil and giving a hellforged aura, it will be a boon on most situations.
 
Something to consider for those of you voting for the Aid and Cure Serious Wounds option, Richard already has an Amulet of Tears effect built into his PfE Amulet. The Temp HP from that will not stack with those provided by Aid.
 
Azel said:
Or, you know....

Screw this entirely Good vs. Evil alignment bullshit and go back to doing our own thing?
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If you don't care about "Good v Evil alignment bullshit", then why are you worried about the Holy aura?

It makes Richard seem more obviously Good, and makes him more easily seen as Good by those who would care about such things, but why would that matter so long as we are doing our own thing?
Anyone who doesn't like what the armor projects, be they Devils or Djinn or random nobles can fuck off tbh, if that's enough to piss them off they weren't worth our time anyways.
 
Goldfish said:
Something to consider for those of you voting for the Aid and Cure Serious Wounds option, Richard already has an Amulet of Tears effect built into his PfE Amulet. The Temp HP from that will not stack with those provided by Aid.
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This isn't about mechanical efficiency, but about screwing ourselves by going for the trap option.
 
I mean, we have a lot more trouble passing as good than convincing people we are evil, if someone comments we can say something like "Oh, yeah, the Deva was surprised too" and share a laugh.
 
@DragonParadox Now we have consensus.

Azel said:
This isn't about mechanical efficiency, but about screwing ourselves by going for the trap option.
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I'm trying to sway hearts and minds here! :evil:
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 21, 2017 at 3:26 PM, finished with 131203 posts and 17 votes.
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Raichu1972 said:
If you don't care about "Good v Evil alignment bullshit", then why are you worried about the Holy aura?

It makes Richard seem more obviously Good, and makes him more easily seen as Good by those who would care about such things, but why would that matter so long as we are doing our own thing?
Anyone who doesn't like what the armor projects, be they Devils or Djinn or random nobles can fuck off tbh, if that's enough to piss them off they weren't worth our time anyways.
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I must care because we are now draping Richard in Hyper-Good armor. Because that's great or something...
 
Azel said:
Or, you know....

Screw this entirely Good vs. Evil alignment bullshit and go back to doing our own thing?
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Erh... Yes, so why are you making such a big deal out of it? If the holy effect goes so does the obviously evil ego-scored devil chain.

Edit: Youre biased against good, and having evil gear should be avoided too with your argument.
 
We're neutral. We get hellplate? We use it, while keeping an eye out for side effects. We get celestial blessed plate? We use it, while keeping an eye out for side effects. It's entirely consistent. I don't see why we should be hesitant to make use of good, when we are more than happy to make use of evil.
 
Azel said:
I must care because we are now draping Richard in Hyper-Good armor. Because that's great or something...
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It's making the armor give off a Good aura, instead of it previously giving off the whole Hell-Forged thing. You know, the thing that tripped than anti-devil alarm in White Harbor.
The armor is going to have some sort of preconception tied to it either way, but that doesn't mean it will effect how Richard acts or what he is willing to do.

This armor is no different than all of the other random magic crap we have, from the Seeker being kitted out in Devil bits, to the Horn made out of dead Devil Parts, to the Devil Chain @Fehu has mentioned a couple of times.
 
Diomedon said:
We're neutral. We get hellplate? We use it, while keeping an eye out for side effects. We get celestial blessed plate? We use it, while keeping an eye out for side effects. It's entirely consistent. I don't see why we should be hesitant to make use of good, when we are more than happy to make use of evil.
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Because we don't actively try to broadcast said Evil to every passer by.

We where trying to hide the hellforged property in Whiteharbor.
But Holy Aura? Obviously we should just murder everyone who doesn't likes that.
 
I see the numbers look one pretty definitive... but I'm hesitant to close it since it looks like some of the people voting for it are "throwing in the towel" and do not actually want the winning option.
 
Diomedon said:
We're neutral. We get hellplate? We use it, while keeping an eye out for side effects. We get celestial blessed plate? We use it, while keeping an eye out for side effects. It's entirely consistent. I don't see why we should be hesitant to make use of good, when we are more than happy to make use of evil.
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Problem is that Evil tries to corrupt you, allowing you to use it in the meantime, while Good often refuses to work with insufficiently good, making it useless in many tasks.
 
DragonParadox said:
I see the numbers look one pretty definitive... but I'm hesitant to close it since it looks like some of the people voting for it are "throwing in the towel" and do not actually want the winning option.
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Only Azel and Sqweaktoy did the capitulation vote.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 21, 2017 at 3:34 PM, finished with 131210 posts and 18 votes.
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Personally I feel it is generally easier to be draped in obviously Good brands and still cooperate with Evil beings. As many beings enjoy corrupting Good things, or rather trick Good into doing Evil.

While we all saw the archons reaction to Azema's brothers' sword. And am I glad Glyra were with us so we discovered that before Danys hold were broken over the CE fey-turned-fiend.

It is frankly easier to join forces with Evil while wearing Good brands, than the reverse.

Edit: @DragonParadox you have called the vote on less when people bandwagoned becaude couldnt bother!
 
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[X] Power of Sanctity (+Holy Aura)

A blazing Holy Artifact that looks and was forged in hellfire...

MAGNIFICENT!

Yes, lets have Richard wear it with a ring of arming for different armors. He's got gear now to pull off a Kamen Rider!
Now all we need is a Corrupted Paladin Suit... hmmm, where to find one?
 
Azel said:
Because we don't actively try to broadcast said Evil to every passer by.

We where trying to hide the hellforged property in Whiteharbor.
But Holy Aura? Obviously we should just murder everyone who doesn't likes that.
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Prime Material people will love it unless they're enemies or damned, so that leaves... the undead and the more literally damned falling under the aegis of "everyone who doesn't like that." All of whom have been consistently enemies that Viserys has killed and killed and killed since the beginning of this quest, with rare exceptions like Azema, who is kept at arm's length at best anyway.

That said, I would have gone for the cure wounds option instead. :p
 
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Takesis said:
[X] Power of Sanctity (+Holy Aura)

A blazing Holy Artifact that looks and was forged in hellfire...

MAGNIFICENT!

Yes, lets have Richard wear it with a ring of arming for different armors. He's got gear now to pull off a Kamen Rider!
Now all we need is a Corrupted Paladin Suit... hmmm, where to find one?
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Mighty Morphing Sword Man!
 
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