The Waystoners
And then Teclis came along and suddenly tgete were 9 answers from the Colleges.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Only if you put each and every one of them to sleep which would make it very hard to have access to the We when you actually need them. Also not sure how we would feed sleeping We. We did not care about the cows on the expedition beyond watering them because we were planning to eat them anyway.
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Back then there was a lot of interest and discussion in creating spells that required some form of programming or thinking mind— I don't quite remember the full details, but the ones that stick out are an auto-updating enchanted MMAP of Karak Eight Peaks and a way to dictate spoken Reikspiel into written. GGH seemed like a way that the Golds had figured out how to do that, which was why they were initially so much of a disappointment in that context when it turned out to be apparitions and those ideas have failed to materialize since.
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One thing that I am hoping for regarding the Elfcation is Mathilde surprising the elves that we end up working with. Like obviously I don't expect a "Wow you're so cool!" sort of thing, but I hope that at least one elf has the stereotypical elven arrogance and thinks Mathilde is a burden, only for her to surprise him with her competence.
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You use Mookery on the cows again. Possibly chickens instead for ease of transport and stuffing, but that would be a Bawkery of Death and may require a research AP.
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I remember something along those lines in the thread. Do you remember whether such an interest was ever reflected by Mathilde before she asked about the Golden Hounds on screen?
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In terms of GGH directly, I don't believe so, but IC she'd know about them through it being in the standard Collegiate Spellbook. If you mean interest in those ideas, then the map was a potential task proposal to Belegar and dictation was explored on-screen.
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[X] Armor of von Tarnus
So we can maybe wander through some moderate artillery fire without being mulched by an unlucky shot.
Basically shifting Mathilde firmly into the fighty wizard role for her combat bracket, as well as making her tough enough to survive for a while if we stumble into a fight with someone from the higher brackets.
[X] Plan Tower of Doom! and Research!
Who doesn't like a good tower of DOOM!
[X] Plan Pickle Requests mk IV
QoL the plan. Lots of little things that individually aren't big changes, but combined will make so many facets of what we already have run smoother going forwards.
So we can maybe wander through some moderate artillery fire without being mulched by an unlucky shot.
Basically shifting Mathilde firmly into the fighty wizard role for her combat bracket, as well as making her tough enough to survive for a while if we stumble into a fight with someone from the higher brackets.
[X] Plan Tower of Doom! and Research!
Who doesn't like a good tower of DOOM!
[X] Plan Pickle Requests mk IV
QoL the plan. Lots of little things that individually aren't big changes, but combined will make so many facets of what we already have run smoother going forwards.
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Nah, I reckon we can get at least a few good 'Wait... you did what!?' reactions out of various elves going by some of the stuff Mathilde has pulled over the years.
The Orbs, her conversations with Asarnil and Deathfang (and the other dragon in K8P), the Death Ray Tower, and pulling her understanding of obscure or complex stuff like the waystones out unexpectedly.
Most of those are things that the average Elven Archmage is going to be completely unprepared for coming from a human mage
Blackangel
Preacher of the dice gods
[X] Plan: The Prismatic Wanderer
-[X] A flying warship, suited for both exploration and warfare
-[X] Comfortable for small groups of people to live in for extended periods of time, and capable in an emergency of transporting a medium-sized groups of elite forces from one place to another (e.g. Empire Knights, Dwarf Ironbreakers, Eonir Ghost Striders, KAU scribes)
-[X] Wizardy aesthetic - dragon figurehead on the prow, living tree serving as central mast, bottom possibly wreathed in fog, etc.
-[X] Has magical weaponry and/or defenses (e.g. Dragon figurehead on the prow might fill enemy forces with the fear of death, ballistas on the sides might shoot out fireballs, a Flock of Doom might emerge from a literal crow's nest, etc)
-[X] Possibly needs to be crewed by Perpetuals
-[X] Possibly flat-bottomed to allow for landing on firm ground, if that makes sense vibes-wise
I can't remember if I voted or not so.
-[X] A flying warship, suited for both exploration and warfare
-[X] Comfortable for small groups of people to live in for extended periods of time, and capable in an emergency of transporting a medium-sized groups of elite forces from one place to another (e.g. Empire Knights, Dwarf Ironbreakers, Eonir Ghost Striders, KAU scribes)
-[X] Wizardy aesthetic - dragon figurehead on the prow, living tree serving as central mast, bottom possibly wreathed in fog, etc.
-[X] Has magical weaponry and/or defenses (e.g. Dragon figurehead on the prow might fill enemy forces with the fear of death, ballistas on the sides might shoot out fireballs, a Flock of Doom might emerge from a literal crow's nest, etc)
-[X] Possibly needs to be crewed by Perpetuals
-[X] Possibly flat-bottomed to allow for landing on firm ground, if that makes sense vibes-wise
I can't remember if I voted or not so.
I mean, that was Mathy's relationship with Hatalath for most of the early parts of this arc.
She wasn't smarter or more skilled than him, still isn't.
But she was way smarter and skilled then he giver her credit for, so he made a lot of lazy mistakes around her and got punished for it.
You can tell he got a lot more carful after the Albion slip. (Even if Mathy didn't quite have the clues to go all the way to 'the island everyone things isn't real is real.)
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Blackangel
Preacher of the dice gods
Oh thanks! Yea I looked at the tally but there is a 100 names, I'd rather vote again than go through all that stuff.
That one really stuck out to me when I was first reading the quest, since I was mostly reading the threadmarks and only occasionally reading thread discussions. It really does come out of nowhere, the only other thing that came close was some of the business with the watch back in the Stirland arc (which was doubly confusing to me since at the time I didn't know much about WH lore and had no idea what The War Below was) but it was easier to write that off as Mathilde bumbling about and making a mess of her job. I suspect the Ulgu Tongs investigation and the Seviroscope might also come across that way, but by then I was caught up to the quest and reading the discussions so I wouldn't know.
I sometimes try to ask "would this make any sense to someone in reader mode" when evaluating write-ins and such. I think it's not a terrible rule of thumb, but sometimes ideas originate in the thread discussion and then get into the story rather than vice-versa, and sometimes those ideas are pretty cool.
Personally I wouldn't worry about justifying why mathy wants anything, she has the habit of being quite jumpy about her interests and the academic world has already learned to expect the unexpected when it comes to her literary works.
If mathy goes "I want an airship" then at most they gonna ask how big it should roughly be.
If mathy goes "I want an airship" then at most they gonna ask how big it should roughly be.
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Your imagination is vivid, but if you want me to entertain your rhetoric, you need to speak to me instead of your strawman. Basic respect is the price of admission.
And completely pragmatically, based on the last few pages it appears that you failed at your goal of preventing votes based on the idea of the we going on the ship.
We still don't know if we actually can do that, I still think it is better to wait until Boney clarifies, but there's a lot more rhetoric about reasons it could be possible because you decided to argue about it. So that may have something to do with why multiple people cited it as a reason for voting for the prismatic wanderer despite neither of us wanting people to vote for it based on this idea.
Perhaps merely cautioning that we don't know yet and seconding the suggestion that we wait for the Quest Master would have done better.
@Boney I apologize if I was unclear last time I pinged you about this, but could you say whether or not the Prismatic Wanderer vote would permit having a We colony as crew?
I'd like to move on.
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Nah, I reckon we can get at least a few good 'Wait... you did what!?' reactions out of various elves going by some of the stuff Mathilde has pulled over the years.
The Orbs, her conversations with Asarnil and Deathfang (and the other dragon in K8P), the Death Ray Tower, and pulling her understanding of obscure or complex stuff like the waystones out unexpectedly.
Most of those are things that the average Elven Archmage is going to be completely unprepared for coming from a human mage
Even for high elves having had the distant friendship of a dragon rider and at least the general tolerance of a Star Dragon would be impressive and if we were to explain that the last time we saw either was on a trip to the Wastes they would get just how we managed it. No elf is going to think that Mathilde 'bubble wine and bugs' Weber is a refined conversationalist and connoisseur of fine things, but as barbarians from the east go she would be really damn impressive. Add the 'soul piercings', the sword almost bigger than she is the reaction might be something akin to meeting magical Red Sonja.
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If that's what this was meant to be:
then yeah, I did not parse that as a request for clarification.
Warships exist that could fit Egg-Layers in their bilge or cargo hold. Nobody would stop Mathilde from putting them there. I am not commenting on how good an idea that might be.
Hah, this is fascinating!
As a newer reader, I made sense of the Altar as Mathilde being keenly aware of the benefits and risk of airpower, having seen and commanded the services of Deathfang and attached elf. What you consider abrupt became part of the reason I thought 'of course, flying thing with cannons, blast them where they can't get you'.
Do not sacrifice loot space for a big spider. Do not try to make spiders into sailors when knots are so important for a sailing vessel and they lack thumbs. They can't even man the cannons!
As someone who actually still prefers the Doom tower.... the Airship actuallly feels like a fairly natural evolution/fusion of the mentioned "Flying tower" and "Giant Robot" votes.
Mathilde spends a lot more time moving back and forth across large sections of the world than she did back then, so portability/speed is a concern that would render the giant robot less useful, but you can still stuff a lot of the cool gadgets of the "Giant robot" onto "Giant airship", and we've had a lot of people say they're voiting for the airship over the tower because its faster.
As I said, I would legitimately prefer the doom tower, but it doesn't feel that out of nowhere given waht you posted. Also it is a fairly consistently mentioned in story about how one of the towers used to be the Airship mooring point. Given the thread's (and Mathilde's) dwarven obsession...
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Yeah, I don't think We as crew members is at all a good idea. Even on a regular ship, it would be challenging, because they don't have opposable thumbs and equipment that is built for humanoid usage would either be extremely awkward for them or need to be built custom, plus the concern of how much space they'll need. But this is an explicitly magical ship, enchanted from the keel to the crow's nest, and there's a reason Parabola said "maybe crewed by Perpetuals" in the vote because there are good odds we're going to want magic-capable crew on hand to deal with it. But even if you disregard the practicalities of space and form factor, and even if the concern of magical stuff requiring magic-capable crew turns out not to be a thing, back in the librarian vote, three in-quest years ago, it was described as a "long and difficult process to teach them all they'd need to know" -- a process which is still not done. How much more long and difficult than librarianship would the process be of teaching them to crew a flying ship, something which is totally alien to their experience on a physical and not just cultural level?
Basically: I think that you shouldn't be voting one way or another based on the belief that this will be happening. If you want a flying ship, that's totally fine, but if you specifically want a flying ship crewed by spiders, the only way that happens is by making the actual flying ship part of the equation worse and taking significantly longer to be operational.
Basically: I think that you shouldn't be voting one way or another based on the belief that this will be happening. If you want a flying ship, that's totally fine, but if you specifically want a flying ship crewed by spiders, the only way that happens is by making the actual flying ship part of the equation worse and taking significantly longer to be operational.
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Have you considered that Teclis would simply apply his big brain to the problem and having the biggerer brain than anyone IRL he would have figured it out?