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I'm not going to weigh in on the logic of either side's arguments, but I will ask that everyone read over what they write and really consider if the words they used are polite and won't be inflammatory intentionally or not. You cant account for people's tolerances perfectly but at least try to say your piece without saying things that can be easily construed as overly dismissive of the other side of the argument, thank you.

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[X] [Snorri:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 10 turns)
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns
 
It would be against the Rule of Pride (or was that Rune of Pride) with creating multiple versions of the same Gronti, especially on that scale. I was thinking something like... Gronti that throws big stones, pretty simple but it could work.
Keep in mind that his thing is having a very wide base of ruins, so I can see a situation where he makes a lot of unique Gronti that all have a different combination of runes and focuses.
 
Plus he could try to argue that it is more practical than the dragon as you can split pieces off to do things rather than have one big thing that can only do one.

There is an argument against that and it's called 'Bloodthirster'. It would either annihilate his army or carve out vast swaths of it which would then need to be rebuilt, whereas one giant dragon would be fine.

Also Gontri are quite dumb and incapable to use the sort of tactics and coordination that would make an army an army. So to get anything meaningful out of his design he would first have to crack Runic AI which... does not seem likely.
 
[X] [Snorri:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 10 turns)
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns

I like Apprentices.
 
Vragni's capstone wouldn't be a Gronti at all.

If he "copied" Snorri for the third time in a row, it would become a pattern that would basically say "i have no ideas of my own"

Not to mention that any Gronti he made would probably not be as impressive as Snorri's Adamant Storm Touched Anvil Forged Giga Dragon forged with KKR.
 
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[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns)
[X] [Snorri:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 10 turns)
 
[X] [Snorri:] No.
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns)
 
Does next Turn Results mean:
A) next Turn, Results: i.e. Turn 60 Results pt__
or
B) next, Turn Results,: i.e. Turn 59 Results pt2.
And finally are obligated to pick an apprentice(s) if we do so or can we say that none of them caught our interest and pass?
B is the correct interpretation. Whether you actually start the option and lose actions is dependent on the Apprentice chosen.

Lemme think about that last one? I feel like voting no now is the equivalent but at the very least I imagine you're voting yes is because you actually intend to pick someone.

ach. :^(
 
Keep in mind that his thing is having a very wide base of ruins, so I can see a situation where he makes a lot of unique Gronti that all have a different combination of runes and focuses.
Besides rune variants he also has apprentices as his thing. So maybe there'll will be something like an Awakening-variant specced for armies and teamwork and a tradition where each apprentice and other member of his institution contributes a gronti to a tide of stone.
 
[X] [Snorri:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 10 turns)
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns)

Meh.

Since joining in the war effort has little traction when it comes up, may as well try to do something productive* with our action economy.

*No, I do not think the dragon megazord is a particularly productive use of Snorri's time. Just think of all the effort we are going to have to waste in finding younglings with attitude to pilot it*.

*Yes, this is a stupid Power Rangers joke,
 
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Honestly, I can actually imagine Vragni pulling like creating an actual gronti army which he and his apprentices control from some runic building they made which works as main control centre.
 
[X] [Snorri:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 10 turns)
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns)
 
[X] [Snorri:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 10 turns)
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns
 
[X] [Snorri:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 10 turns)
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns)
 
[X] [Snorri:] No.
[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns)
 
[X] [Snorri:] No. Not Yet.

[X] [Karstah:] Yes. Apprentice Vote in next Turn Results. (Taking apprentices will lock minimum 1 action per turn for 12 turns)
 
Honestly, I can actually imagine Vragni pulling like creating an actual gronti army which he and his apprentices control from some runic building they made which works as main control centre.
They'd have to either figure out several variants of the Master Rune of Awakening, which is possible but a pain in the ass, and still limits them to a two or three dozen of Gronti. Or they figure out the Keystone methodology Thungni was using in the Trial for the Hammer to control multiple Gronti from a single point.

That second one might honestly get higher numbers, but the path they have the basis to go for is the Variants. Suffice to say, doable, but if they get more than like... 30 Gronti or so together I'd be surprised.
 
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